Yup - sounds like a big f u to Gamefly, but only if it actually turns out to be true.  From Major Nelson's blog:  http://majornelson.com/

Xbox One and Used Games

My initial thoughts:

From a specs/media aspect it was pretty much as I thought.
Not thrilled with the look, but not hating either.  Just wanted something more funky, but it looks like it's designed not to be hidden in a living room.
Glad the controller wasn't changed - I think it's the best I've used, but that's subjective.
I'm sure the games will look out of this world, so CoD will be gorgeous even though it will be the same multiplayer game I've played the 4 go rounds.  I will still enjoy it though.  MS getting the maps first is pretty big.
Now that I've thought about it, I don't think backwards compatibility is a big deal at all.   I don't replay old games anyway, and if I do, they'll be an emulator and I keep my old consoles - N64, cube, PSone/2.
Hope there's no slim/streamlined version too near after launch.
A lot of the features I probably won't use, outside of it replacing a Cable Box in my house.  I may eventually bag cable if this stuff gets more content.

Just kidding - I had to look it up to be sure.....

Outside of a few hiccups around Aug 2007, the data supports NZMM for mod.  All set, Ron.

How far can you hit a .44 COR softball?   I have no idea what speed of pitching you're facing, but, as a point of reference, an 80mph pitch with a .44 COR softball will bounce off a wall at approx. 35 mph.

I'm not sure being a Doctor of Philosphy will help you with this situation.

I had shoulder surgery in Feb....all that stuff is par for the course.

He will absorb that energy and fart it back right up her snatch.  She will fall in love.

Would you please post the video you took in that pic in the sports forum after you next Phillies post?

Yup, that's the crux of our disagreement.  I do agree the market can't be dominated every generation, and I do agree that the PS3 did survive and did not flame out while other have, and it did catch up in sales.  And I did like the system.

We just disagree on how we define it vs expectations and impacts to Sony.  All good.

We've been over it before, but it's still fact.  No matter what the reason, they got crushed in market share.  Going from 60% in first to 29% in third is a failure for Sony, and a success for MS and the Wii.  If you get crushed by your competition, be it new or existing, it's a disaster.


I grabbed a real industry analyst report.  Small sample yes, but more tangible than you just making a statement.



Never disagreed with any of the addtional disasters you mention, never said anything abot the cube or n64.  It's a PS3 numbers discussion.  Could have been a good one too, if you didn't start with the roll eyes bullshit.

But, if you think a game system losing 50% of its market share to its competitors is "doing fine", go with that.

I think it's a fair statement.

This is not nearly the same for obvious reasons, but I've faced some pitchers in fast pitch softball who could hit their hip on the release, generating side spin that acted like a cutter.  As a lefty, I can recall seeing pitches that looked fat when I swung, but hit right above my hands which produced a weak grounder to second.   That's at 60mph.   At 90+, I can't even imagine it.

It was infinitely closer than you just saying "things didn't turn out bad".

If they had a 4.7B loss (confirmed in link) through q2 of 2010, 4.5 years into it's lifecycle,  you think they made a significant chunk back between the last two and a half years - not in 2012:  http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/05/09/sony-posts-profits-for-the-year-but-not-because-of-playstation.aspx  So, unless the had a 5B profit from the division in Q12013, they got crushed.

Things didn't turn out bad?  They went from the leader at 60% market share for the PS2 to third place an 29.7% for the life of the PS3.    http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250810/2013-year-on-year-sales-and-market-share-update-to-march-2nd/   That's a disaster.

As for expectations, here's Sony's president in 2006, with the XBox already being out a year:


And here's an independent analyst group saying they'll take a dip with the new consoles but still win the market:  http://www.gamespot.com/news/hirai-ps3-will-keep-or-surpass-ps2s-market-share-6156046

They were not expected to get absolutely lambasted like they did in market share.  The Wii was completely underestimated, as was the 360.   The company's a mess for many reasons, one being the PS3.  The company recently laid of 10,000 people and sold their US headquarters for capital.  Their stock has dropped from 40 to the teens since the 4.7B loss quoted above.  They're in big trouble.   I hope they rebound.

I doesn't help that people actually respond to them like they're real.

I did one set of 60lb DB presses x 12 and it didn't hurt the next day.   I may start pushing it soon.

Played MGS4, GoW3, and Uncharted to start.....but it's subjective as stated.  Thought they were great.  As I did with many XBox titles as well.  MGS is my favorite video game series ever.

I only take shots at the PS3 when points are made on non subjective items like profit margin, server reliability, market share, cross title games being ported, texture ram, etc....... I want the PS4 to be successful, because I'm going to buy one, and it means more fun for me.   I don't want Sony to fail, but their company has been a mess the last few years, with a good sized decline in thier stock since then.  The PS3 has contributed to that, and was definitely NOT what they were expecting when they launched it.

I watched every save this year.  His control is still there, and the velocity is holding around 91, but I've seen it amped to 92-93.  Even though it's not at 96 anymore, as long as the pitch is not flat, it's still going to be very difficult to hit.

This video is pretty cool at showing how he does it.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMVXjRGTtG0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMVXjRGTtG0</a>

Drop my screen name and tell them we're tight.  You'll be swimming in a sea of bitches......

Enjoy you incline flies.   

Yeah, agree totally.  It's a different feel throughout the entire day too, not just during exercise.

So you're refuting the links?

Here you go again.

Far better exclusives = subjective.  RRod = known and expected as explained to you on multiple occasions.   Sold the same amount of units despite having the advantage of selling in 3 over 2, and owning the market on the previous generations, as explained to you again on many occasions.

Not a fanboy.  I loved the PS2, owned a 3, and will get a 4, as explained to  you on many occasions.

You're just going to believe what you want.  For some reason, this stuff means a lot to you.

Understand I've been through this discussion over the years, and have followed the industry via online sources like NPD, through a friend who works at Microsoft, and a couple of friends who are completely obsessed with this shit.  Most of the data I quote is from memory, but a quick google shows this article.

http://www.vg247.com/2009/10/30/sony-ps-division-has-lost-4-7-billion-since-launching-ps3/

Now, granted, that's from 2010 but there's been tons more like it.  If you've followed Sony's investor relations reporting, they have continued to struggle since.  

EDIT: Found this article from Kotaku in 2013: http://kotaku.com/5973498/weapons-of-mass-disruption-3-how-and-why-consoles-will-die


Even if you feel like data mining and the numbers turn out to be different, I wouldn't change my position.  Being a leader in Market share and then getting blasted by two separate companies in that context is a disaster.

The losses between the two can't be viewed without context.  This guys sums it up best about Microsoft's losses relative to Sony's.  It's an old article from 1UP that says Sony could lose more on the PS3 than they made on the PS2.




Microsoft got the drop BECAUSE of the embedded user base, and the strategy worked brilliantly.  How are they poised to pull ahead?  Based on their press conferences?


No sense in arguing the Wii, since we generally agree.  But, to your own point, if a console had shitty software sales, why would it give Nintendo the "confidence" to go with even shittier Wii U?

It's really bad.



This was all by design to grab market share from Sony, and it worked beautifully.  They knew the consoles would RRoD.  It obviously had minimal impact when you look at the final numbers.




All subjective and personal preference.  I wasn't overwhelmed by MS's presser today, but a ton more data will be available over the next few months.

Who said that's the reason?

It's a failure because Sony lost 5 billion dollars on the console, and a shit ton of market share to Microsoft, despite Microsoft only selling in 2 markets vs. Sony's 3 and Sony having a ridiculously high embedded user base.  That's a failure.



Can you provide the profits over the life cycle of the PS3 to support your claim that sony did "fine".



Why are you "sure" that Wii software sales were abysmal and doubt that profits were high for the Wii?  In other words, you're taking your guesses as fact, when they're not correct.   I've followed the console wars for most of the life cycles of these consoles.   I didn't guess at anything, I followed NPD data to see sales (not shipped), market share etc.....

Yeah, the Wii was a shitty console and a gimmick, but it was a wildly successful shitty gimmick.  The Wii U IS going to flop, but it's not because of the Wii.