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28526  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person. on: August 25, 2008, 01:27:17 PM
You are wrong. People who murder in the name of "god" and "jesus" are far more dangerous than an atheist trying to talk sense. Most atheists aren't even public like christians, muslims or whatever, so I don't know how you go comparing atheists to idiots who knock on your door and ask for contributions.  Roll Eyes


Also It affects all of our policies regarding disease, medicine, technological progress, enviromental issues, scientific progress, etc...


When the truth is available, it makes no sense to believe in something false, especially when it will effect many more people.

Religion and Faith( the unwarranted belief with no evidence) are viruses.
28527  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person. on: August 25, 2008, 01:24:53 PM
What's even worse is that someone decided that Eddy Robinson was a good cast choice for The Ten Commandments.  Roll Eyes    Cheesy

/'i'm the boss, here, see...'
Or Ronnie casting himself as Moses for the 2006 Mr. Olympia.  Grin


28528  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person. on: August 25, 2008, 01:19:23 PM
I can see why you can't name an intelligent religious person. It's because you are an idiot. Held nothing but an "Administration" position? The guy was the head of the project. The head of research is his subordinate.

Now, to dispel your notion that he never did any direct scientific work with DNA, here is a little bit of info for you:

In college Collins found biology boring and trained as a chemist, only to become a physician and then a famed gene hunter at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor, where he identified the gene for cystic fibrosis and helped find the gene for Huntington's disease.

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/feb/interview-francis-collins

You are wrong.

Now, lets say he only held an "administrative" position. The man is still more qualified than you to speak about most scientific subjects. When it comes to science, he is more intelligent than you. I doubt you would argue with that, but if you want to make your case, go ahead. It should make for a good laugh.
In college he was also an atheist. Smiley

He held nothing but an administration position for the Genome Project. FACT.

P.S. I have that issue of Discover Magazine. Smiley
28529  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Optimum Nutrition Sells Company! on: August 25, 2008, 12:17:42 PM
I tought you didn't like protein powder Adam ?
It is useful in that I can eat more cookies or whatever Goat Cheese Pizza, delicacy etc...that I decide to cook up.  Gets the protein out of the way.

28530  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural! on: August 25, 2008, 12:10:21 PM
Brutal Bicep Peak.
28531  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Name three of your favorite books on: August 25, 2008, 11:25:12 AM
the thread is titled:

"Name three of your favorite books"

NOT

"All the books i know".


hope this helps, Adam.
Choosing a favorite is impossible.
28532  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Name three of your favorite books on: August 25, 2008, 11:04:01 AM
Charlatan by Pope Brock
28533  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Name three of your favorite books on: August 25, 2008, 10:58:51 AM
Series (sorry):
1. Farseer series
2. Wheel of Time
Book
3. Fool's Fate
I read the Wheel of Time series when I was a kid!
28534  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Name three of your favorite books on: August 25, 2008, 10:57:44 AM
Omnivore`s Dilemma- Michael Pollan

In Defense of Food- Michael Pollan
28535  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Name three of your favorite books on: August 25, 2008, 10:56:52 AM
Gore Vidal`s Lincoln, 1876 ANY of his American Chronicle series. So that is 7 books there.

Joseph J. Ellis American Creation, His Excellency, Founding Brothers......ANY of his books

Ancestor`s Tale, The God Delusion, The Selfish Gene.....ANYTHING by Richard Dawkins

Anything by Edgar Allan Poe

The Devil in the White City, Erik Larson

Anything by Shakespeare

Anything by Italo Calvino

Anything by Upton Sinclair

Anything by George Orwell

Anything by Carl Sagan

Anything by Vidal



28536  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: How many people here actually believe prayer has an affect on anything? on: August 25, 2008, 10:43:41 AM
"Miracle Man" Lance Armstrong knows that there is no such thing as god and that god is powerless.  He also happens to be the leading fund raiser and dona tor when it comes to cancer and cancer research.
All this by an atheist. Smiley  He also left his wife because she was too religious. lol


Lance Armstrong

28-Jul-02 - From Lance Armstrong's book It's Not About the Bike: My Journey Back to Life, published by G.P Putnam's Sons 2000.

pp. 116-118

Lance Armstrong

The night before brain surgery, I thought about death. I searched out my larger values, and I asked myself, if I was going to die, did I want to do it fighting and clawing or in peaceful surrender? What sort of character did I hope to show? Was I content with myself and what I had done with my life so far? I decided that I was essentially a good person, although I could have been better--but at the same time I understood that the cancer didn't care.

I asked myself what I believed. I had never prayed a lot. I hoped hard, I wished hard, but I didn't pray. I had developed a certain distrust of organized religion growing up, but I felt I had the capacity to be a spiritual person, and to hold some fervent beliefs. Quite simply, I believed I had a responsiblity to be a good person, and that meant fair, honest, hardworking, and honorable. If I did that, if I was good to my family, true to my friends, if I gave back to my community or to some cause, if I wasn't a liar, a cheat, or a thief, then I believed that should be enough. At the end of the day, if there was indeed some Body or presence standing there to judge me, I hoped I would be judged on whether I had lived a true life, not on whther I believed in a certain book, or whether I'd been baptized. If there was indeed a God at the end of my days, I hoped he didn't say, "But you were never a Christian, so you're going the other way from heaven." If so, I was going to reply, "You know what? You're right. Fine."

I believed, too, in the doctors and the medicine and the surgeries--I believed in that. I believed in them. A person like Dr. Einhorn [his oncologist], that's someone to believe in, I thought, a person with the mind to develop an experimental treatment 20 years ago that now could save my life. I believed in the hard currency of his intelligence and his research.

Beyond that, I had no idea where to draw the line between spiritual belief and science. But I knew this much: I believed in belief, for its own shining sake. To believe in the face of utter hopelessness, every article of evidence to the contrary, to ignore apparent catastrophe--what other choice was there? We do it every day, I realized. We are so much stronger than we imagine, and belief is one of the most valiant and long-lived human characteristics. To believe, when all along we humans know that nothing can cure the briefness of this life, that there is no remedy for our basic mortality, that is a form of bravery.

To continue believing in yourself, believing in the doctors, believing in the treatment, believing in whatever I chose to believe in, that was the most important thing, I decided. It had to be.

Without belief, we would be left with nothing but an overwhelming doom, every single day. And it will beat you. I didn't fully see, until the cancer, how we fight every day gainst the creeping negatives of the world, how we struggle daily against the slow lapping of cynicism. Dispiritedness and disappointment, these were the real perils of life, not some sudden illness or cataclysmic millennium doomsday. I knew now why people fear cancer: because it is a slow and inevitable death, it is the very definition of cynicism and loss of spirit.

So, I believed.

---

This interview excerpt from page 8 of the current TIME magazine dated Sept 29, 2003, "10 Questions for Lance Armstrong," seems to put him in the agnostic, if not atheist camp:

Interviewer: "For a miracleman, you're not very religious."

Armstrong: "I don't have anything against organized religion per se. We all need something in our lives. I personally just have not accepted that belief. But I'm one of the few."

Lance Armstrong ---



An article http://www.lancearmstrongfanclub.com/uktimesonline.html in the UK Times Online by Alastair Campbell, printed Saturday Feb 28, 2004, says:

He lives, close to several of his US Postal Service team colleagues, in a first-floor, four-bedroom apartment at the heart of Girona's old town. Although a confirmed atheist, he takes me almost immediately to the tiny chapel, lovingly describes its features, and, above all, the 15th-century painting of the Crucifixion that takes pride of place.

...snip...

Despite the chapel, despite the crucifix around his neck (a link with a fellow cancer patient), Armstrong is deeply suspicious of organised religion. He never knew his "so-called father", and he says that in all his 32 years, he has never asked his Mum, Linda, a single question about him. He was born with the name Gunderson, then his mother married the man who gave him his name. Terry Armstrong talked religion but used to beat Lance with a paddle and he was relieved when he walked out. "He was like me in that he got his name from someone else," Armstrong says. "His biological name was Love. But his Mom married a man named Raymond Armstrong, a preacher. It's weird, I've got his name, my kids have his name but I have never met him and I never want to meet him."

His stance on religion is in marked contrast to his wife's ever more fervent Catholicism and the difference may have been one of the factors that led to their marriage breaking up. Armstrong believes it is possible to be a good person while not believing. "I think we all have obligations to be good, honest, hard-working, caring and compassionate," he says. "You have to try and it won't always be easy but you try your best. I do not believe that because you are not prepared to submit yourself to a god or a higher being, that when you get to the end of the road, you will be sent down. I'm not prepared to believe that."

--- Lance Armstrong was quoted by ET Magazine as saying "If there was a god, I'd still have both nuts."

---

EC, please place commentary on the discussion page. This page is for cites only. --ReedEsau 12:35, 7 January 2006 (PST)
28537  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: How many people here actually believe prayer has an affect on anything? on: August 25, 2008, 10:39:18 AM
Gates is an athiest?  I did not know that.  VERY interesting.
I always enjoyed this exchange:

Gates was profiled in a January 13, 1996 TIME magazine cover story. Here are some excerpts compiled by the Drudge Report:

"Isn't there something special, perhaps even divine, about the human soul?" interviewer Walter Isaacson asks Gates "His face suddenly becomes expressionless," writes Isaacson, "his squeaky voice turns toneless, and he folds his arms across his belly and vigorously rocks back and forth in a mannerism that has become so mimicked at MICROSOFT that a meeting there can resemble a round table of ecstatic rabbis."

"I don't have any evidence on that," answers Gates. "I don't have any evidence of that."

He later states, "Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is not very efficient. There's a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning."
28538  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: How many people here actually believe prayer has an affect on anything? on: August 25, 2008, 10:36:55 AM
Gates is an athiest?  I did not know that.  VERY interesting.
http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Category:Atheist

Here is a great Site!
28539  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person. on: August 25, 2008, 10:33:28 AM
Kenneth Copeland.  So there.
LOL.

I do admire the ones who can fleece so many individuals to the point where there is an endless lot of sheep to slaughter which in turn produces endless piles of wool to cloth the Shepherd.
 Grin
28540  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person. on: August 25, 2008, 10:22:54 AM
Bringing up guys like Newton and Locke doesn't work because they lived in a time when a show of faith was expected from everyone. Now religion doesn't really serve that same purpose in western society, and further many of today's scientists are either atheists or agnostic.
Also add to the fact that if they let it be known that they were not religious, the ostracizing, ridiculing and even life threatening consequences they would have had to endure from an ignorant public and bullying church.

 
28541  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Optimum Nutrition Sells Company! on: August 25, 2008, 10:20:41 AM
So this "Buy-out" is not that good after all is it?
28542  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: What do you think of this guy? Natural or not? on: August 25, 2008, 10:19:31 AM
Thine Garment is too Restrictive!
28543  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person. on: August 25, 2008, 10:18:06 AM
I do enjoy hearing what you guys are coming up with.  So far the majority are Philosophers and the like.  Bernays and Freud>Jung by the way. Smiley
28544  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person. on: August 25, 2008, 10:15:07 AM
This is truely an absurd statement. While I would wholehartedly agree that the majority of christians/religious people are at best naive, (and at worst foolish), there has been plenty of highly intelligent religious people that have influenced modern society.

Some examples: Soren Kierkegaard, Blaise Pascal, C.S. Lewis, Francis Bacon, Thomas Hobbes, Carl Jung, John Locke.... and this is just naming a few of the top of my head...

To think that one cannot even name one intelligent religious person, is an incredibly arrogant statement.

M!

"I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage" Nietzsche
Add Jimmy Carter to that list!
I consider him pretty intelligent!
28545  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Optimum Nutrition Sells Company! on: August 25, 2008, 10:13:06 AM
yeah, I used to get stuff from them all the time.  Their Cookies n cream is the best tasting whey out there, IMO.  Was a bummer that they shut down shop.  The letter said they're only selling to dealers now, and that if I want to buy protein by the case, look them up.  Otherwise, just buy it from bodybuilding.com

Is that the only place to get it now?  Huh
28546  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person. on: August 25, 2008, 10:12:28 AM
TA.....you don't anything about training, you don't know anything about nutrition, you don't know anything about religion, you constantly lie your ass off, one week you speak in proper english (or whatever) the next you say your family has the biggest Bently dealership in the state, the next your telling people you can DL 225x12........damn dude, you seriously have some problems with finding yourself, each day it's like you want to be something your not. You need help.

Then you come on here just to annoy.
Roll Eyes
The legend grows.  I like to hear what you`ll invent next.
28547  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Optimum Nutrition Sells Company! on: August 25, 2008, 10:10:49 AM
They used to have a good tasting array of protein powder.  The Mint Chocolate and the Cookies and Cream one I remember as being pretty good.

I see now they have nearly 20 flavors.  What is the best in your opinion?
28548  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person. on: August 25, 2008, 09:35:12 AM
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxGMqKCcN6A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxGMqKCcN6A</a>
28549  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person. on: August 25, 2008, 09:33:05 AM
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1APOxsp1VFw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1APOxsp1VFw</a>
28550  Getbig Misc Discussion Boards / Religious Debates & Threads / Re: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person. on: August 25, 2008, 09:27:19 AM
Nice find but you bolded the wrong parts.




Sounds to me like a man who believed in God but was disappointed in religious institutions and human interpretations of God.

BTW I'm an athiest, but I don't feel that makes all religious people, by default, less intelligent than I.

Again, the letter was written in 1954.  You are using semantics.  He liked to use the word as a play.  IT like when I say Goddamnit.  I`m not asking god to damn something.
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