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28576  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 10:12:12 AM
Maybe you should consider it.......



What's the fear of needles about? Was it a strange sexual fetish as a young adult that had you poking holes in your testes and posting videos on www.stileproject.com?
I really don`t know why or where it comes from specifically.  I get lightheaded even when I see a blood bank.  I also can`t stand feeling or hearing a heart beat or feeling a pulse or someone grabbing my wrists.
28577  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: 4 days out of my first competition . . . on: August 24, 2008, 10:08:17 AM
For some reason I think you are just fooling around, but if true, I apologize and you look great for your first show, If I were you I would deplete today and tomorrow cause you could be a little leaner yet, then start the loading phase, good luck.
Can you expand on this?  If that were you, what EXACTLY would you do and take.  I find it interesting what  you guys do the week before.
28578  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Great Stuff on: August 24, 2008, 10:06:45 AM
I bet you especially enjoy the insertion part.
28579  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 10:05:58 AM
Insuline and hgh users are also lifetime naturals.

Adds about 20/30 pounds if you use them correctly.
Can someone take Insulin alone and gain muscle?  Is it banned in competitions?
28580  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 10:04:44 AM
TA what was your reason for using PROHormones? Are you afraid of needles?
Do you consider yourself natural after using them? You never competed in BBing or any type of powerlifting, so what was your reason for using them?

 Smiley
Never even considered using a Prohormone and yes I am afraid of needles. 
28581  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: 4 days out of my first competition . . . on: August 24, 2008, 10:03:16 AM
Big, but not NEARLY lean enough.
28582  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 10:02:05 AM
isn't this like asking "if you commited an act before it became a crime are you guilty of that crime"? assuming ofcourse that the law is applied going forward only.
So by those standards Arnold Schwarzenegger was completely Natural then.
28583  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 09:59:38 AM
TA:

Are you making MORAL judgements or people or is this strictly PHYSICAL BODY OBSERVANCE judgements?

That will clear up everything.
I don`t see any drug as immoral.  In fact, I think every single drug should be legalized with no criminal penalties from Cocaine to Steroids.  People should be able to have the ability to put whatever they want into their bodies and also self-medicate.  If they abuse it, then that is their own stupidity.

I am trying to make people question what it means to be natural is all.
28584  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 09:40:52 AM
if someone bought fake UG steroids or some of Palumbo's "GH" they would still be natural.  So I agree with him about the BS prohormones.  It's not about intent in this case but rather about effect.
So if bodybuilder A takes a PROHormone at X dose and gets a 15 lb gain

and

Bodybuilder B takes a PROHormone at the same  X Dose and gets a 0 lb gain

Bodybuilder A is not natural but Bodybuilder B is?
28585  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 09:38:13 AM
From what I understand, people obtained steroids(the hot and legal supplement) in the 70s, 80s and earlier from their gyms and Barbell Clubs and what have you.

The same place where many gym-goers today buy their supplements.

So the method of obtainment is the same with steroids then and with supplments now, so this should not be a factor.  Correct?
28586  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 09:34:45 AM
Here's my take:

Pro-hormones were just another supplement sold in the stores making big promised when the came out in something like 1997-1998. It was no different in how they were marketed than ephedrine, creatine, NO2 or whatever.

It wasn't until Mark McGuire had it in his locker did any real questions come out about what this supplement supposedly did or does. Natural bodybuilders had no clue that they would be judged as doing something "wrong" in the minds of self-righteous people like TA 10 years later.

It's one thing for a natural to still be taking prohormones today AFTER the controversy and them being banned by organizations. It's another thing taking before all of this.

One knows they are doing something some would considered "wrong" and the other just ook the hot, new supplement on the market.

Steroids were ALWAYS banned from natural comp.

Adam, have you ever taken ephedra or ephedrine? Those are now banned form natural comps.

Would you consider someone who took ephedrine before it was banned to be a lying, cheating fraud claiming to be a natural TODAY?
So again,

Most view it as a legal conundrum rather than a Chemical one. That is your contention also.  So by that definition Arnold Schwarzenegger was natural when he competed because he, like everyone else, was just simply taking "the hot new legal and available supplement" at the time.

28587  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 09:30:51 AM
No need for 10 posts on the subject TA, you have your side of it. Why did you use prohormones?
Never even once gave them a thought.
28588  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 09:12:51 AM
Adam...

Heres my perspective on the whole pro-hormone thing....

Back when AST came out with their androstenedione/diol I tried a bottle of the Ultimate Nutrition Nor-19.  Did I see anything from it?  Nope.  Do I think it was even potent?  Nope.  A lot of claims were made with it being 'just like steroids'.  Yadda Yadda.  Nothing is like steroids, except steroids.  Now, fast forward a few more years and you start to see companies literally pushing the envelope on what they can sell as an OTC prohormone and what is a drug.  Did that happen when I took them?  Nope.  Do I still think I am life-time drug free.  Yep.  If I did the whole M1-T (or whatever that was).....then nope. 

As far as the Arnold thing...well, you couldnt very well go to a GNC-type of store and get that stuff.  You had to go through dealer or a Walgreens type of store.  Definitely a drug....definitely not a natural no matter what the DEA has classified it.

This is, and will be, a debate that will be as ongoing and never ending as the whole LaCour debate.
Interesting Perspective.

That tells me a few things in your decision of ProHormones when you used them.  You really had no idea of the potency or lack thereof, so it wasn`t a "whats in the chemical criteria", but rather a legal one as you took them blindly on faith in the hopes of working well.

Also, if you had gotten a very good result, you would not consider yourself lifetime natural anymore?  Is that your contention?  So there is also a potency factor involved.

So if a Steroid user got zero gains from steroids, he too would or could be considered Natural Post and Pre 1990?
28589  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 09:06:12 AM

What would the criteria be to pass judgement on who is "more natural"?

Guy A takes 5 x pills (aas,etc)

Guy B takes 20 x pills (pro)

If the same levels of test or hormones are present, then how can one be "more or less" than the other?
EXACTLY!

Which is why I find these "Naturals" who use or used Prohoromones so hypocritically amusing!
28590  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural! on: August 24, 2008, 09:02:33 AM
Your shit is pretty old.....you said I was on something when I posted a pic.  Closest thing to drugs I have been is watching a buddy shoot himself with test and equipose.  If you want to say prohormone for me....I did ONE bottle of nor-19....didnt anything worth buying a 2nd bottle.  That was back in the early 90's.  Since then all organizations have pretty much banned the prohormones so I am SOL on using them. 

In the end there will always be people like you who do use and love to point fingers at those who dont and say they do.  Are some of these guys in the thread bullshitters?  Absolutely.  But like I said, guys like Whitacre and Widner....if you ever see them up close...you would know they are not on things like that.
Insight Please.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=230543.0
28591  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 09:01:50 AM
Another Pondering:

Bodybuilder A injects or swallows enough conventional steroids to elicit X response in Testosterone levels.

Bodybuilder B Swallows enough PROHormones to elicit the same X response in Testosterone Levels.


Who is more natural?
28592  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 08:52:59 AM
If it was because of a legal standpoint or  "my organization allowed it at the time" and not a "what is in the chemical" standpoint, then it would seem than by that criteria they would not be considered natural at all anymore as PROhormones now share the same designation as conventional anabolic steroids.  

By this criteria, anyone who took steroids before 1990 would be considered just as natural.
Do these "Naturals" who used that criteria in deciding to take Pro-Hormones also think Arnold Schwarzenegger was Natural because steroids were legal and allowed in their organization at the time?
28593  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 08:50:03 AM
If it was because of a legal standpoint or  "my organization allowed it at the time" and not a "what is in the chemical" standpoint, then it would seem than by that criteria they would not be considered natural at all anymore as PROhormones now share the same designation as conventional anabolic steroids.  

If the "Natruals" use this criteria, anyone who took steroids before 1990 would be considered just as natural.
28594  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 08:44:49 AM
Also, do the naturals who took the PROHormones consider themselves still Lifetime Natural and did they consider PROHormones Natural at the time when they were using them?
28595  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Why do (or did) "Naturals" take PROHormones but not steroids? on: August 24, 2008, 08:42:40 AM
It is a question that boggles the mind.  How do they view one as being acceptable and the other not?

What was the criteria in their choice?
28596  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: GOOD-BYE GETBIG; IT HAS BEEN FUN on: August 24, 2008, 06:31:51 AM
Why are we thanking him?


We should be pitying him for having to go to a place where there is no hope of conflict resolution or point of being thereof.
28597  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Will Joe Biden continue his "anti-performance enhancing Cursade" if elected? on: August 23, 2008, 03:34:56 PM
This criminal needs no introduction.

John Ashcroft.

28598  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Will Joe Biden continue his "anti-performance enhancing Cursade" if elected? on: August 23, 2008, 03:29:26 PM
These are the two guys you want to blame.

Authorizes the Attorney General, upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

Both Bush appointees.
Tommy Thompson
7th Secretary of Health and Human Services


Mr Thompson has NO MEDICAL BACKGROUND  OR TRAINING.  He was also in the Republican debates for President early on.
Gov. of Wisconsin and a true idiot.


28599  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Will Joe Biden continue his "anti-performance enhancing Cursade" if elected? on: August 23, 2008, 03:25:54 PM
Here is what the bill in fact enables:  A review by the Attorney General for determining criminality and then filtering it through the states.  State by state could then choose to review or determine their own review and sentencing guidelines.


10/22/2004--Public Law. (There are 4 other summaries)
(This measure has not been amended since it was reported to the Senate on September 30, 2004. The summary of that version is repeated here.)
Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 - Amends the Controlled Substances Act to redefine anabolic steroid to mean any drug or hormonal substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone). Sets forth a list of substances included as anabolic steroids, including tetrahydrogestrinone (THG), androstenedione, and specified related chemicals.
Authorizes the Attorney General, upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services, to exempt from regulation under the Controlled Substances Act any compound, mixture, or preparation that contains any anabolic steroid that is intended for administration to a human being or an animal and that does not present any significant potential for abuse because of its concentration, preparation, formulation, or delivery system.
Directs the U.S. Sentencing Commission to review the Federal sentencing guidelines with respect to offenses involving anabolic steroids and consider amending such guidelines to provide for increased penalties.
Directs the Secretary to: (1) award grants to enable public and nonprofit private entities to carry out science-based education programs in elementary and secondary schools to highlight the harmful effects of anabolic steroids; (2) give preference for such grants to programs helping athletes to avoid steroid use; and (3) ensure that the National Survey on Drug Use and Health includes questions concerning the use of anabolic steroids.
Authorizes appropriations.
28600  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Will Joe Biden continue his "anti-performance enhancing Cursade" if elected? on: August 23, 2008, 03:21:37 PM
Got banned "androstenedione".. oh brother..  Roll Eyes


He didn`t ban anything.  Your Fellow Conservatives who had the majority in Congress at the time, saw fit to pass it with flying colors as well as your beloved Bush willfully signing it into law as a revision to his daddy`s original bill.

Status:  Introduced Mar 11, 2004
 Scheduled for Debate Sep 30, 2004
 Amendments (1 proposed) [details] 
 Passed Senate [details] Oct 6, 2004
 Passed House Oct 8, 2004
 Signed by President Oct 22, 2004

This bill became law.
Last Action: Oct 22, 2004: Became Public Law No: 108-358.


Let us not forget that Bush I was in charge of signing the Omega Crime bill which started the whole process.
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