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1  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: dennis tinnerino 1945-may2010 tribute thread. on: December 27, 2013, 01:20:46 AM
Anita Tinerino
Dennis had a wonderful wife and she is still around.
Check out her Facebook Page.

Anita Tinerino
2  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: The True Story Of Zuverman Part 1, 2, 3, 4. on: November 17, 2013, 05:30:00 PM
Well most of you know that Zuverman and The Golden Zuverman Bust Now stand at The Brickyard Gym In Darlington Pennsylvania.  He just had his first snow day. Being from sunny California it's somthing he will needs to get used to.  Well he likes it and is looking forward to as many of you that can to come by and visit him. Take some pictures and perhaps Big Rick will give you a free pass for a workout in his well equipped Gym during your visit. Tell them I sent you.
For now this is a great place for some of my Historic Past to be seen.
Gotta Love It.
RZ
3  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: WSM 1979 on: November 11, 2013, 04:04:15 PM
The first strongman contest i saw over here in England was Britains strongest man won by Geoff Capes and i remember the 1980 WSM because of Kaz and his intense psyching up he did,the 77,78 and 79 ones were never shown over here.

Wow
That's to bad the first three shows were not shown over there.  They were the best.
In 79 The Kaz was the star as well. He was a hell of competitor.   
The photo is of Friend and Champion Powerlifter Terry Todd,  The Kaz, And Ladies Champion Powerlifter Jan Todd.
1979
4  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: WSM 1979 on: November 11, 2013, 09:50:51 AM
I agree Robert,the highlight for me was seeing Bill blow up the water bottle,and all at the age of 50.I just think that the early ones were more "pure",now you have too many pick up and run races and there will be 0.01 difference between 1st and 2nd.

Well if you notice the entertainment value isn't there now that was in the first three.
In the first show 1977 CBS showed a series of 7 shows for 7 weeks.

 It's the only one people remember because it had star football players, star Bodybuilders, star shot putters, wrestlers, Powerlifter's, weight lifters, and the Judges were all superstars in there own rite.

Lets start with The True Worlds Strongest Man and Legend Paul Anderson. Or legend bodybuilder Tommy Kono, Powerlifter David Shaw,  or John Terpek, or weightlifter Hal Connely.  There were more in the back ground that most don't even know we're there.

That one show had more press coverage than all the WSM Shows sense put together.  Now it's a one hour show and the public don't care about watching it.  Watched once and forgotten the next day.  

The 77, 78, and 79 shows are still being talked about today after 36 years. All the rest I couldn't even tell you there names.

We're you one of the lucky ones that saw any of the first three in person?
If so you were one of the lucky ones to see the best of the best.
They are great memories for me.
5  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: WSM 1979 on: November 10, 2013, 02:14:27 PM
All three WSM Shows we did were a lot of fun. It was a lot of work but fun just the same.
I miss though's days and all the great guys we got to work with. It was for TV. Things needed to be entertaining. I thought we did a good job of giving them fun events to do. We tried to make everything safe and sound so nobody got hurt.  Sadly Franco tripped and dislocated his leg. That one was on my watch in 77.
Oops. There are things you just can't control.

In the 1980 show the size of the competitors doubled. It's now a game for only the biggest guys on earth.
For me the very first 1977 show was the most entertaining because of the different talent that competed.
Small guys against Big guys,  Powerlifter's against Wrestlers,  Bodybuilders Against Them All.
That made it fun and entertaining.
6  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: WSM 1979 on: November 10, 2013, 01:49:01 PM
Thanks to Robert Forbes for posting this extended video of the 1979 Worlds strongest man contest,and wait till who you see at 11.30 mark with a water bottle.Maybe Robert Zuver was there to see this as it happened.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GURwUyzhirQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GURwUyzhirQ</a>

Wow
This brings back memory's.
This was the third and final WSM Show that (Dad) Bob Zuver was The Commissioner Of Strength and that we worked.  Thinking back on the 79 show the highlight for me was The Legend Bill Pearl blowing up and popping that Hot water bottle. The Crowd went wild. wouldn't you enjoy seeing a Champion like Bill Pearl do something fun like that?   Bill was a friend to dad and was the very First Name in Zuver's Gym Big Visitors Guest Book. He is one of the most gifted Bodybuilders I've ever known.  I'm so happy that A Great Legend like Bill is still with us and in great health.
Thanks my friend for taking me back in time.
RZ
7  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: REAL GYM'S. Where have they gone. on: November 06, 2013, 11:56:17 AM
esp like the curling bar area in the center of the gym.

It was the most used unit in the gym.
Also it didn't take up much room for the amount of use it got.
New School Gyms could learn from Zuver's Championship Gym.
That's if they ever want to be known as a Great Gym.
 Not just a Copy Cat Fitness Center.
8  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: REAL GYM'S. Where have they gone. on: November 05, 2013, 02:13:27 PM
one reason,real gyms are falling by the wayside is not enough support.

There are still a few real gyms left out there only most of the old school guys are keeping them to themselves.
In Chicago there's Quads.  It's sad but the hard core guys don't want a bunch of amateur players getting in there way.  The days of the skinny kid walking in a gym and being treated with open arms by the biggest guys in town is gone.  
Back in the day of Zuver's Gym everyone was made to feel welcome.  When skinny kids walked in they were helped by, not only Bob Zuver, but by even champion lifters who trained there every day.  That's what makes a good gym, GREAT. That's how so many guys in the old day became Famous. With Help From Though's who learned from the best old school teachers of the time.  
Today it's about the money. Most gyms, clubs, Centers, only want to get enought fame to sell memberships.
Not build Legends. Many of the Great Legends got started in small home town gyms like Zuver's.
I would love to see a real, back to basics old school gym agin. It only needs to have basic equipment but lots of it. Bench Presses, Incline Presses, Flat Benches, a compleat set of Dumbbell's,  from 20lbs to at least 200lbs.
Two good Power Racks.  A compleat EZ Curl Bar Set from 40lbs to 250lbs. Sit up boards. And only two Machines in the place. A good Calf Machine, and a Good Pull down Lat Machine. Of corse TONs Of Free Weights.
And I mean TONS. That's all a Real Old School Gym needs to train The Best In The World.
 But most of all. Spirit, Heart, and Ambition.
Show me a gym like this and I'll show you a Real Champion Gym.
9  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: Ken Patera stories on: October 23, 2013, 08:12:10 AM
I sat on the couch in between Ken and Wilhelm for 4+ hours a few SAT's ago. (At Marriott Hotel in NJ (Lounge). (He was honored earlier that evening at AOBS).
Great guy, great stories, humble and down to earth. Bruce is great as well, great story teller, one funny bastard...

Sorry I had to miss the AOBS this year. Would have enjoyed seeing the guys agin after all these years.  I'll bet you forgot to give them my email address. It's ok, they probably don't remember me being that it was a long time ago. Sounds like you had a great time.  Perhaps next year you and I will be sitting in that lobby having a cocktail or two and telling story's of our past.
RZ
10  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: Zuver's Gym on: September 13, 2013, 12:23:57 PM
Here's what the public wants for a gym.
Sure makes a MAN want to run right out and train hard don't it ?
Lets all thank Planet Fitness Center.
Nothing like PINK to turn on a man.
Makes me want to Barf.
PS
Look how hard there training.
11  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: Zuver's Gym on: September 13, 2013, 11:29:49 AM
Sadly it isn't the chains that keep it from happening.  
It's the people themselves.  There just aren't enough people that want a real hardcore gym.  Sadly unless your in a city that has a lot of Pro Bodybuilders or Powerlifters there aren't enough to pay the bills.  Remember back in the Zuver's Gym Days people didn't mind sweating or getting a little dirty.  They had fun working out and pushing each other hard to reach there goals.  Most people today don't have that drive and there only goal is to stay in minnium shape. There not interested in the sport, just staying fit.  I could build a new Zuver's Gym in a heartbeat with all the great things and feelings it once had.  And yes the greats of today would visit now and then and there would be many articles written only now you would be reading them on the Internet in stead of newspapers and magizenes.  Sadly most locales would take one look and call me a dumbass and laugh there way over to there local Fitness Center where they could stand around on a long row of treadmills watching TV. The personnel touch is gone now and most of the younger generation don't have time to work out three to four days a week like we did back then.  The old gyms were our social clubs back then. Guys would come in our gym after work around 5pm and not go home till after closeing around 11pm. many nights after closeing pop would talk with the guys till early morning.  Pop had that personal touch that doesn't exsest today.  A lot of good friends were made that way that are still my friends today.  Sadly a lot are gone now.  Beleave me, I've thought of building a new Zuver's Gym.  It would be something very special as you can only imagine.  But for now I'm trying to incorporate a little Zuver's in some of the newer gyms of the future.
A little old, A little new, And A lot Of Fun.


Believe It Or Not
I Still Have That Ugly 1970s Shirt My Dad Was Wearing In The Pics. 
12  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: Zuver's Gym on: September 13, 2013, 11:24:39 AM
it would be very cool but near impossible to do in this cutthroat world we live in. times change there are very few gyms out there who care about their members like mr zuver did. i think he opened and ran his gym business as a labor of love for the game. now if someone thinks youy are making a buck they move across the street and price you out of the game. seen this many times ib my area as gyms open up to be knocked off by a chain and a still bigger chain moves in and knocks them off. Cry Cry Cry

Sadly it isn't the chains that keep it from happening.  
It's the people themselves.  There just aren't enough people that want a real hardcore gym.  Sadly unless your in a city that has a lot of Pro Bodybuilders or Powerlifters there aren't enough to pay the bills.  Remember back in the Zuver's Gym Days people didn't mind sweating or getting a little dirty.  They had fun working out and pushing each other hard to reach there goals.  Most people today don't have that drive and there only goal is to stay in minnium shape. There not interested in the sport, just staying fit.  I could build a new Zuver's Gym in a heartbeat with all the great things and feelings it once had.  And yes the greats of today would visit now and then and there would be many articles written only now you would be reading them on the Internet in stead of newspapers and magizenes.  Sadly most locales would take one look and call me a dumbass and laugh there way over to there local Fitness Center where they could stand around on a long row of treadmills watching TV. The personnel touch is gone now and most of the younger generation don't have time to work out three to four days a week like we did back then.  The old gyms were our social clubs back then. Guys would come in our gym after work around 5pm and not go home till after closeing around 11pm. many nights after closeing pop would talk with the guys till early morning.  Pop had that personal touch that doesn't exsest today.  A lot of good friends were made that way that are still my friends today.  Sadly a lot are gone now.  Beleave me, I've thought of building a new Zuver's Gym.  It would be something very special as you can only imagine.  But for now I'm trying to incorporate a little Zuver's in some of the newer gyms of the future.
A little old, A little new, And A lot Of Fun.
13  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: MY EXPERIENCE WITH PAUL ANDERSON. on: September 10, 2013, 05:26:31 PM
Robert, no I do not take your statements personally, and mine in that post were not personal against Paul.

My comment about man of God or atheist was not disparaging Paul's or your religion or mine. I simply meant that a lift should be judged based on the lift, not on whether a person believes, doesn't believe, or is agnostic. I apologize if that was not clear.

Now, having said that. Let me, briefly, take this step by step.

I don't hate Paul. I found him to be a gentleman the one time I spoke with him, and have heard wonderful things about him (which can be proved), so this is not personal against Paul. Anything that can be proven about Paul I fully support just as I do with all lifters' histories.

But the backlift has not been proven, and there are substantial missing ingredients- even some of the factors purported to be proof have been shown not to be accurate. I will address only one here: The weight of the safe. It was not, as Paul said, 3,500 lbs. I did considerable research with safe manufacturers and with locksmiths and took measurements of the safe itself, and concluded that it was probably closer to 2,300 lbs. Paul's daughter had the safe weighed and proved this was about the weight. Now before you or anyone offers that 'well, other items were added to the safe to make it weigh 3,500 lbs', please remember that Paul himself said that the safe and its contents weighed 3,500 lbs. So, from the start the backlift total even if we ignore other problems, starts with a 1,200 lb overclaim.

The most misleading argument you make is that no one has proved it did not happen. Very, very difficult to prove a negative, and it is not required in debate. All we can do is examine the claims and address them one by one. Paul wrote in his book that when the weight on the platform reached exactly 6,270 lbs the backlift was attempted. But when he wrote to me he wrote that in fact it was about 200 lbs more so about 6,470 lbs?  

You are entitled to your opinion but not to your own facts. And, my friend, you are wrong, I do know the backlift did not happen as claimed based on the incorrect weight of the safe. How those of you who believe can simply ignore the math baffles me.

You are also incorrect about me being the only one who doubts the lift. But whether I am alone or among the majority is not relevant because truth does not depend on a vote. It depends on evidence provided, and this lift, has none.

The hearsay in this situation is sourced mostly from 1. those trying to prove the lift using only opinion, 2. whether Paul was a good man, and 3. ignoring those items which cast doubt on the lift.

Good enough Joe
That's the good thing about this country.  We're all entitled to are own views.
Good luck with yours.   
14  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: MY EXPERIENCE WITH PAUL ANDERSON. on: September 10, 2013, 03:58:23 PM
The vacuum formed by the lack of proof for Paul's backlift has to be filled by those who believe the lift took place and can prove it. The negative has no burden of proof. I was a believer in the lift until I studied it, and even what was offered AS proof turned out to be vapor. Witnesses who never wrote about it; a witness who turned out by his own admission to NOT have been there. The proven incorrect weight of the safe. On and on. Those who accept the backlift ignore the several inconsistencies involved.

Paul did many wonderful things in his life, but whether he was 'a man of God' or an atheist is not relevant to his lifting history- at least not outside his own head.

I am not sure if this post is aimed at me, but since my research brought doubts to the surface, I assume it must be at least partially so.

Why not ask for photos of the lift, not photos disproving it, whatever that means? And does it bother anyone else that there is literally no proof other than Paul's claim, that this lift happened? Amazing.

I put down anything I consider incorrect in ironhistory including my own mistakes. I never put down anything that has been proven. But it is folly to consider a lift to have happened just because the lifter claimed it did. What chaos would that bring!

Joe
This wasn't directed at you.  But sense you insist on jumping on it with a vengeance against a true friend and legend here goes.  This Is America and it does matter that a man is Innocent Till proven Guilty. It has always been that way in this country.  As far as him being a man of god does make a difference to the millions of us Born Again  Christian. You have shown Zero Proof that it didn't happen ZERO. All your facts are hear say. Not one shred of fact evidence have you shown.  You talk about Proof of this or that well practice what you preach. Your one of the most respected men on iron history.  People look to you for facts not hear say. Our court system doesn't convict people without Proof. Why should We.  Your the only one that has ever put Paul Anderson down for anything.  And you ask why anyone is starting to hate you. DUH. It's not you they hate you its your attitude.  What did A Legend like Paul ever do to you that you hate him so much for?  Why is it your the only one so obsessed.  I'm sorry I can't answer the great Joe Roark question of his life. Most of Americas Strongest Men and Women don't beleave your story. its funny without proof how that works.  I'm just the son of a small gym owner. A nobody in this world.  I don't claim to be anything more.  I don't need to be anything more. No one is perfect. Certainly not me.
This is My Opinion and I'm entitled to it whether you agree or not.  
Your entitled to yours.
 Here's the real Facts.
Now one knows for sure if he did or didn't accomplish that lift.
NOT ME.
NOT THE REST OF THE MUSCLE WORLD.
AND FOR SURE NOT YOU.
Hope there's no hard feelings big Joe. This isn't personal.
If you could ever truly prove it, ill be the first to say you were right Joe.
God Bless.

15  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: MY EXPERIENCE WITH PAUL ANDERSON. on: September 08, 2013, 12:37:59 PM
too bad gis big baclifts of 6200 pounds is so controversial .  he was a squat freak

It is sad.
There is no proof that he did or didn't do the lift.  No eye witnesses no one left alive.
What's sad is putting all the great things a man did in his life down the shitter because someone can't find a picture of one single event.  What ever happened in this great country to the fact, Innocent till Proven Guilty.
Why would a man of god lie about one such lift and not all the others? The Legend is Gone. RIP
Show me a liveing witness that was there or a good photo to disprove this claim.  Till then stop putting down a True Legend.
16  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: Zuver's Gym on: September 06, 2013, 11:00:37 PM
Bob, has there been any interest amongst you and/or the family in (re)starting up production of the Zuver equipment line?

This was just some of the Zuver line of super gym equipment.
17  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: Zuver's Gym on: September 06, 2013, 10:56:52 PM
These are the only two pictures of the El Toro Zuver's Gym that I have found so far.
This was the final Zuver's Gym owned by the family.
18  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: Zuver's Gym on: September 06, 2013, 10:50:30 PM
The 19th street Costa Mesa Zuver's Gym and Equipment Show Room.
This is the gym after The Original Hamilton Street Gym.
Lou Ferrigno trained here often in the late afternoons.
19  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: Zuver's Gym on: September 06, 2013, 10:03:16 PM
Bob, has there been any interest amongst you and/or the family in (re)starting up production of the Zuver equipment line?

I've thought about it many times.  Not sure I'm ready to go back in business at 61.  Have a few company's asking if I would teem up with them and come out with a Classic Zuver Line to add to there's.  Could be something along that line with the right offer as long as it was my design.  
You might just see something next year. I'm pretty booked up till January and havn't had time to sit and discuss things with the interested party's.  I am the end of the Zuver's Gym Family now. I've got to say I would love to see some of our Circle Gym Line of equipment out there agin.
I'm wondering why you asked that question. If you have any ideas on this feel free to email me.
Thanks
RZ
20  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: MY EXPERIENCE WITH PAUL ANDERSON. on: August 31, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
This Belt Buckle was given to my dad by Big Paul Himself.
Pop cherished it as a piece of history and saved it for all these years.
I just got it after mom passed on last month.
It's now in my collection.
21  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: The Rarest Weight's In The World on: August 31, 2013, 07:45:34 PM
It does matter more coming from you Bob. I'm thrilled you sent me a signed copy of your Ma's book, and those other collectibles.
Means a lot to me...

Did you get those items framed yet for your wall?
I'm getting a lot of requests now for signed copy's of her book.
Hang on to it. As you know she won't be signing any more.
22  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: The Rarest Weight's In The World on: August 31, 2013, 06:07:57 PM
If people are willing to pay the high prices, that's great for the sellers.
The Zuver plates are really some of the nicest collectibles out there...

Funny but there's more to it than just that there Zuvers Plates.  When I sold some of my personal plates
Last year the Buyers were buying not only some great historic plates but also my story that went
with them. Being a Zuver seems to make the price better. At least I can say my plates were only used at the original Zuver's Gym. And were always in the possession of a real Zuver.  
Truth is I've been offered more than the going price for these plates just because there from me. They are something way cool. I have phone numbers of several gentlemen hopeing I will someday sell more.
Will the ones on eBay sell for the super high prices.  The 50lbs plates yes sooner or later.  The 100lbs plates, I don't think so. A bit to high.  But you never know.  
23  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: Zuver's Gym on: August 26, 2013, 09:47:04 AM
Two more
24  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: Zuver's Gym on: August 26, 2013, 09:44:01 AM
THE ZUVER'S WORLDS BIGGEST DUMBBELL.
Over the years there have been many photos of this great old attraction from The Original Zuver's Gym.
Here are just a few including some recently posted by Big Joe of Iron History.
If anybody has spotted this great piece of Zuver's History in the last few years please let me know where.
Thanks
RZ
25  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / History - Stories - and Memories / Re: Zuver's Gym on: August 26, 2013, 09:29:33 AM
Wow here is the latest on eBay.
Two sets of the famous Zuver's Hall Of Fame Muscle Plates.
Asking price new record prices.
What do you think?
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