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1  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: German police fire 85 bullets total on: Today at 12:02:24 PM
Meanwhile, in England




<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw</a>

Seems like 1 cop with a taser in the bunch could have possibly solved it a lot sooner. But I'm glad no one got hurt
2  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should police be required to have uniform cameras? on: Today at 11:57:40 AM


Yes.  But as with anything else, there must be strict guidelines with officers held PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE.

If they need to go into a private residence for non criminal activity - like say telling a family member that someone died in a car accident - or interviewing rape victims in an emergency room, they need to turn the shit off.  Get back outside, need to turn the thing back on without a bunch of 'I forgot excuses'.


I think the real change needs to be this whole mentality that just because a cop tells you to do something, you should be expected to obey your master without question.  They rely on this mentality in courts where they justify these harsh and excessive uses of force.


WHEN DEPARTMENT ISSUED BWDR SYSTEM DEACTIVATION IS AUTHORIZED
Once the BWDR system is activated it shall remain on until the incident has concluded.
(a) For purposes of this section, conclusion of an incident has occurred when:
(a) All arrests have been made and arrestees have been transported; and
(b) All witnesses and victims have been interviewed.
(b) Recording may cease if no further law enforcement action is likely to occur (e.g.,
waiting for a tow truck or a family member to arrive.)
303.2.3 WHEN DEPARTMENT ISSUED BWDR SYSTEM USE IS NOT REQUIRED
Activation of the BWDR system is not required:
(a) During break and lunch periods
(b) When not in service and not on a call
(c) When in service but not on a call.



Cops rarely make death notifications these days. Our department does it via Victim Services civillian and chaplain if done by us at all. So that wouldn't be an issue.   
3  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should police be required to have uniform cameras? on: Today at 11:39:14 AM
Locally, today, there was an incident in south florida.  A cop hit a 15 year old kid on a bike this morning.   No details yet, kid is on life support.  cop car and bike, etc all impounded.  MAJOR skid marks in the 45mph zone where it happened. 

I'm not sure if the dash cam would catch the speed (they all have them).  I don't know what happens if the cop is going 60 or 65 in a 45 and hits a kid.  Even if the kid was cutting across the road, it was a wide open road, not a lot of visual obstruction.  I dont know if a cop speeding, and kid "jaywalking" on a bike, who gets the blame.  I mean, if a drunk driver hits a jaywalker, they charge the drunk, even if the jaywalker was in the wrong spot? 

I don't know about their system but ours has GPS tracking and the speed would be known. Had a local officer who was looking at his in car computer screen at a stop sign in a residential area. Was distracted and didn't see the motorcycle coming throught the intersection and pulled right out in front of him. Guy was banged up but the cop was clearly at fault. As far as speeding in a 45, our policy says we follow traffic laws unless we are in code 2 or 3, which is lights and or siren so if he was speeding without those that is a problem. I hope the kid pulls out. As far as drunk hitting jaywalker, actually happened here... drunk was charged with the dwi and nothing else because the other person was illegally in the roadway. But again, that could vary by court jurisdiction on getting charged..unlikely there would be a conviction
4  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: German police fire 85 bullets total on: Today at 11:13:58 AM
This.

Limb shots are notoriously difficult and unreliable. If you're going to shoot, you shoot to kill.

Technically, cops are trained to shoot to stop the threat. dying is a byproduct of that sometimes
5  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Police State - Official Thread on: Today at 11:11:45 AM
Ah well, if we're going to speculate, maybe we should consider other alternatives.

I'm thinking the cop is typically overly aggressive by nature.  He's not accustomed to people ignoring him or not bowing to his every command.  He's probably accustomed to immediate compliance and his temper rages whenever he perceives somebody is not obedient.

He's probably undergone extensive training at taxpayer expense and the union will probably claim that's still not enough training.  He was probably never specifically taught that he shouldn't say 'go fuck yourself', so how could he possibly see anything wrong with that.

But nah, let's always try and put that rosey spin on it.  Roll Eyes



You could be right, I'm just giving my perspective.
6  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should police be required to have uniform cameras? on: Today at 11:09:02 AM
put something into place, so that any time a policeman "loses" camera - particularly when there is an incident - he gets 6 months of desk duty.

seriously, the solution would be to get police leadership that aren't police.  Too much of "we came up together for 20 years, I can't put these guys in the clink for something shady".

No, they take an oath.  Get a cilivian in there running the PD.  A nice heartless lawyer who will promote the shit out of the good cops, and prosecute the shit out of the bad eggs.  Nobody here can defend bad cops... but we all know they get more breaks than they should.

Wouldn't work. I see civillian comments all the time that are so stupid I wonder how they get dressed in the mornings when it comes to how a police officer shoulda woulda coulda handled X situation. The better solution is to have rules on place on the cameras like we have. There are strict guidelines on when you can turn our cameras off. There is no lost footage because it is uploaded to a server. You couldn't get something erased if you wanted to, once it's recorded, its forever there. Now if an officer is in a critical incident and it is not video taped, then it is looked at as to why not. If its an oversight, I got out to use the bathroom, this guy attacked me from nowhere and I didn't have time to activate my camera ( can't recall this ever happening but let's just say..) then that's one thing. but if the camera should have been on and they forgot to turn it on then it is a suspension. If it appears they purposely turned it off before the event they are fired. Been working pretty well so far.   
7  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: Today at 10:58:52 AM
see, this is what pisses me off...

the police fired and killed a man with a knife who was posing a threat in St Louis.
LEGAL SHOOT.  Okay, it happens.

THEN, 90 minutes after the shooting, the police chief gives a press conference.  Details include "knife in overhand grip" and "3-4 feet from our officers when they fired".   Well, the knife was by his side and he was ten feet away.  There's cell phone video showing it.

The shoot was legal - but they LIED about these little details.  What's up with that?

Same way they fudged the story about why man was stopped initially.  The shoots both looked LEGAL, but the cops lied about details.  WHY?   Huh

“The police officers exiting that vehicle, and immediately, the suspect starts to walk towards the police officers,” he says. “The difference between what I said yesterday and what we’ve seen on the video is the suspect has the knife in his hand – yesterday I said it was in an overhand motion … it’s down … towards the officer.”
 
Dotson says the man then approached the vehicle while saying, “Shoot me now! Kill me now!” As he got closer to the officers, each one fired six shots, and the man was killed.
 
A taser wasn’t used, Dotson says, because Powell was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and the taser must make contact with skin.
8  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: Today at 10:48:44 AM
Seems to be a contradiction here. Mistake, or did you mean to say this?

Maybe I'm missing something?

I think it says what I was trying to say. We allow people to make false claims without consequences so we don't discourage people who have legitimate claims from reporting them.
9  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: Today at 10:47:29 AM
Disagree.   Policeman who just fired the weapon sits down.  He is asked 100 questions by several people.  The answers are recorded and written down.  They are put into a report.

The police spokesman is asked questions.  Either he knows the answers from the report, or he tells reporter that info will be released.

THis whole "Oh, the spokesman didn't know, so he just kinda guessed on an answer" is HIGHLY irresponsible.  We're talking about the public trust here.  Some detail as SIMPLE and IMPORTANT as the position of the knife - and how many feet from the police officer - How in the fck can he get those details wrong? 

Particularly when the police HAD THIS CELL VIDEO!  They had it!  Media got it FROM THE COPS!   The policeman said overhand knife, 3-4 feet from officers.  And it was 10+ feet, knife to side.  He clearly exaggerated the shit out of those points - TO MAKE THE MAN LOOK MORE THREATNING and to make his danger look immanent. 

Yes, legal shoot, but it was less than 30 seconds from arrival to shooting/handcuffing dead guy.  There aren't that many details to fck up, and they managed to mess up distance AND the knife.


Sorry, but I can't blame the telephone game for this.  There are MAYBE 5 details about that shooting, and the cop got 2 of them wrong - 2 of them which benefitted the police for public opinion.  how convenient.  Dude, stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.  They's stretching the truth in a big way here, and people need to stop just dismissing it as incompetence.  The police are smart.  They know how to manipulate info to win public opinion. 

Simple details.  If spokesman doesn't know # of feet or knife position - in a prepared, written statement - something is seriously wrong Wink
This is a perfect example of the lack of knowledge that goes on after a police involved shooting.  Protocol is likely different depending on state and contracts but the initial questions are limited to Public Safety execptions to the Miranda and are basically about 5 questions. How many officers/subjects were involved? Did you fire your weapon? Are all weapons accounted for? And that's it. There aren't 100 questions. The following is a cut a paste of general protocol on questioning an officer from Police Chiefs magazine;

Officer Statements

Statements may be voluntarily given by the involved officer shortly after the incident or may be delayed on the advice of counsel. In those incidents in which officers do not voluntarily offer statements, they may be ordered by the department to give a statement. A compelled statement cannot be used in criminal proceedings, but may be used for internal review. It is important that the agency have ban agreed-upon policy with the union pertaining to the release of statements to avoid media and citizen scrutiny. This policy should require that the officer be subject to an interview within 72 hours of the shooting. This provides ample time for securing representation, sleep, rest, and reflection by the officer. The officer still retains the right to not provide a statement if the investigation focuses on potential criminal conduct.

Every effort should be made to conduct only one interview of the officer. It is important for the investigators to be fully prepared prior to conducting the interview. Providing one detailed statement to the agency’s shooting investigative team and the agency’s internal affairs division will avoid putting the officer through two questioning sessions. This will also eliminate the opportunity for a defense attorney to try to discredit the officer by finding slightly different answers to the same question asked in two different interviews.

Remember that under stress, officers may remember certain aspects of the incident and may not remember others. In general, the officers who returned to the environment can remember from about 50 percent to 70 percent of the significant details of the experience, while those trying to remember in a different place can recall only about 30 percent to 50 percent of the specifics.1 As a result, a physical walk-through at the incident scene might assist officers in their recollections prior to or during the interview.

How can agency leadership expect law enforcement personnel involved in one of the most critical incidents in their lives, who are operating under stress and fear, to remember what just happened in a rapidly evolving event? This is not a realistic expectation. What also must be realized is that civilian eyewitness testimony may be based on beliefs and values and may not be a fair replication of the actual facts. It is imperative to combine forensics with acquired recollections of involved and noninvolved individuals who are present at a critical incident.
10  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: August 21, 2014, 04:05:01 PM
Good to see that they're actually going after this guy, I thought for sure they were going to let him skate on various things just to appease the rioters, etc....  

I'm surprised as well. It's rare. We have a ridiculous policy here that no matter what claims a person makes against an officer, even when proved they are lying by video, we let them walk. The thinking is, that if we hold people accountable when they give false reports about a police officer, it will keep people from reporting officers. I personally think it's bull crap. Too often I've seen officers put through the ringer by some joker who makes crap up and when the video, not the officers word but the video vindicates the officer, the jerk who lied had no consequences. Happens more often than naught.

You can literally go to the police monitor or IA , make a complaint that a particular officer raped your girlfriend on the way to jail, report it to the press, get the local activist to rally your cause and when the video is released showing it never happend, just say "nevermind" and you get a free pass. 
11  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Robbing a store and taunting cops is now a thing-Video of newest shooting on: August 21, 2014, 03:59:16 PM
Put yourself in the officers shoes.

You arrive on a chaotic scene and there's a lunatic yelling "shoot me" and he's coming at you with a knife.
He can close the distance in 1-2 seconds and be on top of your ass with the knife before you know wtf happens.
It's shitty taking someone's life, that's a fact. However these cops were left with no choice.


You can't taze this guy because he's got a thick jacket on. Not sure even if these cops had tazers.

Not sure WHY people are trying to justify this and be on the side of the criminal.

If the guy had no knife, wasn't charging the cops, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

Fucccking retarded logic that people have these days.


Bingo
12  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Robbing a store and taunting cops is now a thing-Video of newest shooting on: August 21, 2014, 03:57:22 PM
Pretty good argument here for cops not needing cameras. In the video, the witnesses, even the dude who filmed the whole thing, 10 seconds after the shooting had decided to place the blame on the cops, whining about them handcuffing him when he's dead etc etc. Then comments on here about how they shoulda done this or coulda done that.. the facts really either don't matter to some people or they are too ignorant to understand things. Those two cops, unlike those people watching, have seen training films on how fast someone with a knife can close the distance and cut you. 22 ft is the taught distance that a man with a knife becomes a lethal threat. They all got what they wanted in the end, the subject wanted to die, the cops wanted to live. Win Win.

I wish everyone here that thinks they would have handled that differently would join your local department so that you can go out and handle these situations with a better result for all those involved.
13  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: August 21, 2014, 03:37:48 PM
I believe the answer is one that's all too common - The cop is lying.  He's not making up the entire scenario, but changing the facts to suit his needs.  Even his own lackeys can't keep the mistruths straight.....

What's all too common in my opinion, is people coming to conclusions like this Roll Eyes based on hearsay and speculation. Troll much?
14  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: August 21, 2014, 01:26:29 PM
How can a "highly placed source" claim to know "dozens of witnesses" corroborate wilson's story when it doesn't match up with his own wife's testimony?    Shocked

I'll leave it up to you guys to figure that one out.

It's really not up to "us" to figure it out. We can speculate, we can opine, we can guess, we can even change the title of this thread from discuss the facts and truth to something more fitting, but I'll wait until the investigation(s) are done before concluding anything
15  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Police State - Official Thread on: August 21, 2014, 12:45:14 PM
From what I read, the officer was from a small department. First I will say I'm glad he was suspended. As Chris Rock would say... I don't condone what he did...but I understand it.  I've been in a couple crowd control situations where bottles and rocks were being thrown and the crowd was agitated and somewhat uncontrollable. It's truly an "oh shit" situation. Adrenaline is dumping, you're way out numbered and kinda wishing you were off duty that night. But, the training and experience we have allows us to focus, remain professional and we don't over react. When we first started the training, and would have mock crowds taunt and toss bottles, the newer members would sometimes break rank to try and grab someone. The Sgts would grab them by their collars and pull them back and remind them to never do anything alone, stay in a group. Eventually it becomes second nature and you don't sweat the small stuff. This officer probably never faced anything even remotely similar until that night. Probably scared to death and that's how he reacted. Unfortunately he isn't allowed to project his fear in that way, and likely Law Enforcement isn't for him. If I were his Chief I would have a concern about his ability to deal with stressful situation which will come up in that profession and I would terminate him. He is a risk in my opinion. He got in way over his head and couldn't handle the stress.     
16  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: August 21, 2014, 12:30:07 PM
You're right that cops need to be recorded every time they interact with people.  Cops will say they don't care, but it's just another one of their many lies.  I agree with you that they hate it.  Tough shit for them.  Hopefully the pig that threatened a group of taxpayers will be removed from his worthless job real soon....

I don't care...and I'm not lying. I don't hate it, I don't dislike it. I simply don't care. Hope this helps
17  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: August 21, 2014, 12:25:31 PM
I said it before and I'll say it again... I'd probably take Mike Brown's side; IF he had not have robbed a store that night.

But he did. That's a difficult fact to try to forget about.

Couple that with the fact that officer Wilson was treated for injuries after the "tussle" (word used by a black witness) w/Brown at the police car.

The court of public opinion = Brown got what his actions deserved.

What you're saying is, before the facts are known, you'd take Mike Brown's side...sounds familiar, a lot like those protesters and looters. What ever the hell happened to waiting for the facts?
18  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Police State - Official Thread on: August 20, 2014, 12:14:56 PM
Cheesy

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdSYhwLENvM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdSYhwLENvM</a>

I just heard "That's reggae" ;-)
19  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Some jerkoff approached me with this icebucket bullshit on: August 20, 2014, 11:18:42 AM
The majority of the money raised doesn't go to research. It goes to salaries and marketing.

link?
20  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Some jerkoff approached me with this icebucket bullshit on: August 20, 2014, 10:59:05 AM
Last year 1.9 mil was raised to help fund the research. This year so far it is 13 mil. Seems like a good thing to me.
21  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Should police be required to have uniform cameras? on: August 20, 2014, 10:40:48 AM
Our in car cameras are set to start when 1. We manually turn them on 2. Impact over 5 mph 3. Driver door opens 4. Speed over 90 mph. They record starting 30 seconds prior to being initiated. I could see the body mics having the same type of auto on. When in car goes on, body cam goes on. I'm not tech geek but I'll bet it can be done. 
22  Getbig Main Boards / Politics and Political Issues Board / Re: Police State - Official Thread on: August 20, 2014, 10:32:32 AM
I have not read or posted in this thread, but I thought I would try and make a meaningful contribution anyway.   Cheesy



Why's it always gotta be a brown dog? Why don't they ever post pics of police searching white dogs??
23  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: August 20, 2014, 10:24:56 AM
I'm taking in all information about what's going on.

I have already gone on record as stating I have no idea if the shooting was good or not.

It's very possible that he did commit a crime, but it's also possible he did not.

Remember, this is the same video footage that was presented as him being a criminal, it's just more of it.

You guys can make whatever decisions you like, it doesn't matter to me. I'm just looking at all sides.

I haven't heard any official report about the Officer's orbital bone, but there is still a ton of people saying it was broken.

It may have been, but I read it like everyone else.

All of the information is viable.

Any of you making snap judgments sadden me.

Agree..
24  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: August 18, 2014, 12:42:16 PM
I don't know. Is it bad?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgM7ZspHgeQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgM7ZspHgeQ</a>

any indication on why she was maced in the first place?
25  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Michael Brown - Discuss the facts and the truth on: August 18, 2014, 12:25:33 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/missouri-governor-declares-state-emergency-curfew-203706380.html

Johnson stressed why resolving the unrest in Ferguson was important to him and other black families.

"When this is over, I'm going to go in my son's room, my black son, who wears his pants sagging, wears his hat cocked to the side, has tattoos on his arms, but that's my baby," he said.

"And we all ought to be thanking the Browns for Michael, because Michael is going to make it better for our sons, so they can be better black men. So they can be better for our daughters, so they can be better black women."



What an idiot...
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