Seeing a photo from that height, I get a bothersome tingling in  the soles of my feet and I've often wondered if that's common and if there is a medical name for it.

Any podiatrist on board?

And as ACRE so intelligently stated ... Smirnoff is a great Vodka and has been around for a good number of years. Most Smirnoff fans are among the older generation and so the price of that brand remains relatively lower than the newer vodka brands that advertise for the younger generation.

Some of the major bars in the major LV casinos don't even serve Smirnoff anymore, but in my opinion .... it's still the best among the rest!

TRIVIA  QUESTION: NAME THE RAP STAR WHO OWNS AND IS PROMOTING HIS OWN BRAND OF VODKA .... AND THEN NAME THE VODKA. I think this was posted earlier.

It's been a while since my 'friends' were involved in the drug business but the most recent drug problem involved the 'manufacturing' of 'meth' and a very big explosion and a very large fire in a very small ocean view apartment in a very large  high-rise apartment complex.

A few of the building's tenants complained about some strange odor but before anything was done to solve that problem, the apartment and the apartment's odor blew to high-heavens.

This all just happened to occur while the  apt tenant was surfing less than 500 yards away .... and he and his surfboard haven't been seen since.

I did some research recently and "the only options right now for meth addicts seeking recovery are counseling, an in-patient rehab center or Narcotics or Crystal Meth Anonymous.... but these treatments don't work for many people.

The FDA fast tracks treatments for serious or life-threatening conditions that demonstrate the potential to address unmet medical needs.

Many meth addicts can no longer hold down a job and they have strained relationships with family members.

Gone went the cars, gone went the business, gone went the house, gone went the kids. The main focus of this person's life is using meth." (End quote)

Another friend with a similar problem says that it's a great cure for the Flu.

He never did catch the Flu  .... but he died anyway! ...

Three years  before his 29th birthday!

ONEMOREREP, In my opinion you are one of the very few GetBiggers who appears to have a decent amount of intelligence to express your views and opinions with some degree of noticeable  “smartness”.

But very often with views and opinions that are somewhat different than my own.

There are other GetBiggers who contribute to this site with some similar degree of intelligence but this post is politely/respectfully directed at some of the earlier statements that you made regarding Taylor and ‘life in general’.

Statements of which I tend to disagree and have to comment on.

In general it appears that you condone Taylor’s actions and even appreciate those actions due to their ‘entertainment value’.

I see that as some form of enjoyment one may attain while watching someone do something that is somewhat harmful to himself  ….. even though he is not harming others in the process.

But unlike some other GetBig contributors and in your defense ….  I am almost positive that you would not encourage him to continue on this course if he came to you and asked for your personal advice.

Words and actions are many times contrary to one another.

And like you, I also find nothing offensive about photos of guys in their underwear .... BUT I do find it somewhat offensive if that photo is an attempt to deliver an ‘ulterior’ message that most people might find to be somewhat offensive.

And I totally disagree with the word “worship” pertaining to “men in thongs”.

I believe you used the word “worship” as a complete exaggeration in an attempt to emphasize a behavior that is not the norm for the vast majority of bodybuilding fans.

And I totally disagree with your opinion that “he isn't doing anything too far from what those men do onstage with their posing”.

Some people may look upon bodybuilding competitions in such a manner but the vast majority would find it impossible to find such a comparison.

And I gotta agree with you when you say that Taylor may be doing nothing different from what some Hollywood celebrities have resorted to in the past for self-promotion.

The examples you use are merely the very small tip of a very large iceberg, but do the lifestyles of these Hollywood celebrities make it right for Taylor to emulate? Are the actions of these celebrities some form of accepted standard that any of us should condone and abide by?

I guess it’s somewhat evident that I disagree with Taylor’s actions but  .... I gotta admit that I’ve seen much worse among friends and acquaintances and it didn’t take too damn long to discover that a change in attitude and direction would not be considered no matter whom it was that offered that help and advice.

In almost every case that change never came about until the individual hit rock bottom.

But in few cases that “rock bottom” was a day or two before a funeral.

And in two of those funerals ….. the cause of death was suicide.

Suicides which I honestly think I could have prevented if I was a better person.

I often find myself in disagreement with many GetBig posters for various reasons, but I never take the time to respond.

And for some unknown reason I think this response is necessary.

Thanks for reading this, OMR …. If you get this far.

Stunt

...... WILL BE TRYING IT.

I have no idea what I'm talking about here ..... so take the following as a very huge question:

A few years back some of the professional IFBB BB's aske me to take them to a cow fiel after a heavy rain.

It was winter so that was no a problem and it did manage to rain for a couple of days followed by a blast of hot weather from two days of sunshine.

So I drove them over to a cow field thinking that Tipping Cows might be back in vogue and these guys wanted to give it a try. (Actually only kinda thought that!)

But when we got there they only managed to walk around the field looking for something in the thick grass. They ignored the cows competely ...... but within 30 mins they returned with a bag-full of good size mushrooms which they planned to dry out and smoke in "honor" of some ancient custom which I was unfamiliar with.

My question is .... If these mushrooms were eaten instead of 'smok-en" ....  would they have caused some hellucenogenic form of suicide?

Withi

Thanks, Ron! Interesting comment.

But don't most competitors hate one or more of the judges if they place less than first?

Like him (Wahlberg) or not, he is a major star and Executive Producer in the Hollywood TV and motion picture industry and making major $$$ in the process.

If anyone is interested in knowing what an Executive Producer in Hollywood does, let me know and I'll do my best to explain or link you to a site that can do it better than I can.

In fact, if you are interested ...... simply go to ...... http://education-portal.com/articles/Executive_Producer_Job_Description_Duties_and_Requirements.html

ACRE, IT'S VERY DETAILED AND I'll ve reading the Three Part Series tonite.

I'M interested to see why John Carl Mese was sent to jail and how he passed away.

The movie shows that he notarize a legal document that was signed sideways.

ThaNKS........

Thanks, ACRE! I never read that one  before.

The "excitement'" behind this movie is "How utterly dumb these individuals really were!"

And I think that was Bay's idea at the very beginning. Show them at their stupedist!

But the police department also appears just as stupid.

If you'd like to read the facts regarding the TRUTH behind Pain and Gain.... GO HERE ....

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/04/26/pain_gain_true_story_fact_and_fiction_in_the_new_movie_starring_mark_wahlberg.html

Hollywood vs Reality

The character played by Dwayne Johnson is a composite, based primarily on Carl Weekes, with shades of Jorge Delgado (bottom left in the photo) and Mario Sanchez (top left). Weekes was a recovering addict and ex-con who’d found Jesus and moved to Miami to get help from a cousin who worked at Sun Gym. (He never went to work at a church; no elderly gay priest came onto him.) Both were roped into Lugo’s scheme, but they only helped out with the kidnapping of the gang’s first victim. They declined to participate in subsequent crimes. Weekes, like Doyle, was much kinder to that first victim than the other men. He was also quite small—unlike Mario Sanchez, a weightlifting instructor Lugo paid to serve as an intimidator during the first kidnapping, and who appears to be another inspiration for Doyle. In real life, the third key member of the gang was Jorge Delgado (about whom more below). Like Doyle in the movie, Delgado testified against Doorbal and Lugo and received a 15-year sentence. (Lugo and Doorbal got the death penalty.) Pain & Gain shows a mugshot of “Doyle” at the end of the movie; it’s not clear to us who that mugshot is. (It does not resemble the three men pictured above.)

Here's the real story behind the movie. You may not want to read this if you plan to see the movie ..

I'll post the photos of these characters later unless someone beats me to it. They definitely don't look like the 'stars' who played the parts.

In October 1994, Daniel Lugo (Mark Wahlberg) proposed to Noel Doorbal (Anthony Makie), Carl Weekes , and Stephenson Pierre that they kidnap Marc Schiller (Tony Shalhoub).

All those meeting knew each other through the Sun Gym.

Lugo claimed Schiller had stolen from him and gym member Jorge Delgado.

The group agreed to kidnap Schiller.

In 1991, Delgado’s wife, Linda, worked in Schiller’s accounting office. She begged Schiller to help Delgado.

Schiller offered him a job. Delgado and Schiller became friends, eventually starting a mortgage company together.

Frequent guests at Schiller’s home, the Delgados got to know Schiller’s wife, Diana, and children David and Stephanie. Schiller trusted Delgado with Schiller’s home security code.

Delgado introduced Lugo to Schiller.

Schiller disliked Lugo.

In Schiller’s memoirs, Pain and Gain – The Untold True Story, he recalls that Lugo once talked “of frauds he had committed and started making comments insinuating that we should do something similar.”

Schiller told Delgado he did not want their relations continuing unless Delgado split from Lugo.

Delgado refused so Schiller pulled out of the mortgage business.

Schiller wrote, “I decided to take a ten-thousand-dollar loss and give a little extra to him so that he would not harbor ill feelings.”

This strategy was to prove a dramatic failure.

On November 15, 1994, Doorbal, Weekes, and Mario Sanchez, whom the first two men had recruited, grabbed Schiller as he walked to his car.

“What do you want?” Schiller asked.

“You,” someone replied.

They hustled him into a van. Schiller’s ankles were shackled, he was handcuffed, and duct tape was wound around his head.

Someone asked, “How come you’re allowed to have so much money while we have so little?”

As Pete Collins reported in the Miami New Times, Schiller “was in no mood” to debate “theories of American capitalism. He kept silent.”

The van stopped at Delgado’s rented warehouse. Schiller was bound to a chair. Someone asked if he wanted water. His throat parched, Schiller answered, “Yes.” Someone threw water in his face – then laughed.

Captors buzzed him with tasers, slugged him, and burned him with his lighter. He was left alone, bound and in a box. His bladder filled and there was no way to get to a restroom.

Schiller writes, “I urinated as I lay there on the box, soaking my pants in the process and adding to the misery I already felt."

A captor, whose voice Schiller recognized as Lugo’s, threatened to bring Schiller’s wife and children to the warehouse.

His captors ordered him to call his wife and tell her to take the kids with her to her native Colombia.

She did.

When his captors demanded he confirm his house alarm code and the locations of his money, he realized Delgado was involved.

A captor demanded he sign over assets.

Schiller repeatedly signed papers he could not see.

The documents were notarized by Sun Gym owner John Mese (Rob Corddry).

Schiller had been captive three weeks when the gang decided to murder Schiller by faking a drunk driving crash.

On December 15, 1994, they forced Schiller to drink.

Lugo drove Schiller’s car into a utility pole.

Gang members shoved Schiller into the driver’s seat, poured gasoline over the car and set it ablaze.

After the group backed away and got into another car, Schiller cheated the fate laid out for him; he got up and ran from of the burning vehicle.

They ran him over – twice.

Convinced Schiller was dead, they sped from the scene.

Schiller, however, survived and was rushed to Jackson Memorial Hospital where doctors operated to remove his spleen. When Schiller regained consciousness, a surgeon said he had been in an accident.

Schiller replied he had been kidnapped and tortured.

Schiller’s “credibility was undermined because he’d entered the hospital as a suspected DUI case.

Schiller called lawyer Gene Rosen.

After hearing Schiller’s story, Rosen advised Schiller to contact private investigator Ed Du Bois.

On December 16, 1994, Schiller called Du Bois, who asked Schiller to write down everything he remembered and send relevant documents.

Schiller called his sister. He was taken to Staten Island University Hospital.

On Christmas Eve 1994, he moved into his sister’s Long Island home.

In January 1995, the gang moved into Marc Schiller’s house that had been signed over to a Bahamian company Lugo set up called D&J International.

The gang had amassed about $2.1 million in cash, real estate, credit card charges, and goods.

Lugo told neighbors he and his roommates were U.S. security officers.

Still using crutches, Schiller flew to Colombia to join his wife and children.

Du Bois received Schiller’s written account of his captivity and copies of documents he had been forced to sign.

A name on those documents startled Du Bois who was acquainted with notary John Mese.

Du Bois met with Mese and showed him Schiller’s letter.

“Sounds like this guy had a rough time,” Mese commented.

Du Bois asked if Mese knew Delgado and Lugo.

Mese said he did.

Du Bois showed him copies of documents that he had notarized that had transferred Schiller’s assets. Mese claimed he could not recall the circumstances under which he notarized them. He agreed to set up a meeting with Lugo and Delgado.

That meeting took place on February 13, 1995. Du Bois came with bodyguard Ed Seibert.

Delgado, but not Lugo, came to Mese’s office.

Delgado said, “This is all over a business deal.”

Du Bois asked incredulously, “Is it customary in your business deals to kidnap someone, keep them hostage for a month, beat them, torture them, try to kill them, and blow them up?”

“I’m not going to comment,” Delgado replied.

A third meeting took place.

Delgado said, “We’re going to give you Schiller’s money back, the one million dollars.”

There was a condition: Schiller must sign a document stating he would never tell the story to anyone again – including police.

Du Bois said he would discuss it with Schiller.

Schiller was destitute but reluctant to let his torturers get off scot-free. He also feared they were dangerous to others.

Schiller and Du Bois discussed the offer with an attorney, who said that such an agreement of silence would be legally unenforceable – and would amount to a confession.

Schiller and Du Bois decided to play along.

The Sun Gym gang found lawyer Joel Greenberg, who drew up a contract.

The days dragged on and drafts of the contract were faxed between the two camps. Schiller agreed to every new revision, but there was no money coming in.

Schiller filed a challenge to the deed D&J International held to his house.

The Sun Gym gang cleared everything they could out of the house, leaving it empty. The goods were taken to the warehouse in which Schiller had been held captive.

Du Bois realized that the offer to return Schiller’s money was a stalling tactic. It was well past time to go to the police.

Du Bois contacted Metro-Dade homicide Captain Al Harper who contacted Strategic Investigations Division (SID). SID Sergeant Gary Porterfield informed Du Bois and Schiller that the case had been referred to the robbery bureau.

Du Bois was horrified because he believed the case needed more than that bureau could provide.

Porterfield escorted Schiller and Du Bois to that bureau.

Du Bois saw a cop smirking and softly clapping. Du Bois asked a secretary about this. She answered, “SID called over here this morning and said we should expect an Academy Award-winning performance and story from Mr. Schiller today.”

Sergeant Jim Maier and Detective Iris Deegan interviewed Schiller. He pleaded, “Follow up on Du Bois’s leads. These are dangerous people. Other people could be harmed.” Later, he asked, “Do you think I’m making this whole thing up?”

Deegan answered, “Yeah, we think you’re making it up.”

Nevertheless, Deegan investigated. Collins writes, “Deegan paid a visit to Schiller’s home in Old Cutler Cove. The house appeared abandoned; indeed the Sun Gym gang had emptied it weeks before.

When Deegan interviewed Schiller’s neighbors, they identified Lugo from a police photo line-up. Yes, he was a G-man, they said, Yes, they’d accepted UPS deliveries for him, packages addressed to Marc Schiller. Yes, they recalled, Schiller and his family had disappeared sometime before the previous Thanksgiving.”
No arrests were made.

Doorbal learned of phone-sex-line millionaire Frank Griga and his girlfriend, Krisztina Furton.

Doorbal proposed to Lugo that this couple be kidnapped and Griga’s money stolen.

The couple accepted Doorbal’s invitation to come to his apartment, ostensibly to sign for an investment. Lugo was also there.

Doorbal tried to subdue Griga, triggering a vicious fistfight. Furton screamed. Lugo grabbed her and injected her with the horse tranquilizer Rompun.

Doorbal put Griga in a headlock. Griga lost consciousness. Lugo and Doorbal planned to haul Griga off to the warehouse and threaten him into signing over his money. Much to their chagrin, they realized before they could do it that Griga was dying .

They interrogated Furton for the code to enter Griga’s home. She answered and fell silent.
Another conspirator, corrections officer John Raimondo, arrived
 
Lugo drove to Griga’s home and attempted to get inside with the code Furton had given him. It did not work. Lugo called Doorbal who said Furton was dead. Lugo returned to Doorbal’s apartment where he asked Delgado to return the next morning with a truck.

The next morning, the group loaded two corpses into the truck. They drove to the warehouse. Using a hatchet and chainsaw, Lugo and Doorbal dismembered the bodies.

On May 28, 1995, Lugo, Doorbal and a third man, who did not know that torsos and limbs were in the metal drums, took them to a remote area in Dade County. Another drum containing heads, hands, and feet was deposited in the Everglades. Lugo then traveled to The Bahamas. Police arrested him there in June 1995. Doorbal, Raimondo, and Mese were also arrested.

Lugo was convicted of many crimes including two counts of first-degree murder and sentenced to death. Doorbal was convicted of two first-degree murders and sentenced to death. Mese was convicted of multiple counts including conspiracy to commit racketeering and sentenced to 30 years imprisonment. Raimondo was convicted of crimes including attempted extortion and sentenced to eight years imprisonment. Delgado testified for the state; in exchange, his crimes were plea-bargained down to 15 years for the murders of Griga and Furton and five years for Schiller’s attempted murder.

As Schiller left the courthouse after testifying against his torturers, federal agents arrested him for Medicare fraud.

On March 17, 1999, Schiller pleaded guilty to one count of fraud. He was sentenced to 46 months imprisonment.

Released in 2001, Schiller claims he was innocent but pleaded guilty because he “had no fight” left.

The movie Pain & Gain, starring Mark Wahlberg and Dwayne Johnson, opened April 26, 2013. Its form as an action-comedy has angered some.

Frank Griga’s sister derides the film’s sympathetic depiction of the gang as ambitious bunglers as “ridiculous.”

Instead of separate characters for Schiller and Griga, a composite victim named “Victor Kershaw” is depicted. He is first seen surrounded by bikini-clad beauties. Schiller asserts he was a “homebody” with little in common with Kershaw although Griga, who made his fortune in the phone-sex business, may have resembled the womanizing Kershaw.

While there may be comic aspects to the bungling of the Sun Gym Gang, their heinous crimes of kidnapping, torture, and murder are anything but humorous.

Nails, I'm not familiar with Bay. Please elaborate.

Thanks.

I knew one of the 'characters' in this movie ...... John Mese - the gym owner .... and he was depicted pretty well. (Spelling correction thanks to "JOE of Iron History".)

He actually passed away while in prison.

I've had the opportunity to meet some darn stupid people during my life-time, but I've never had the opportunity to meet three stupid individuals who were mutual friends and in any form of  business together.

I think that the stupidity displayed on that screen was the screen writer's  exaggeration in an attempt to make it somewhat humorous. (A dark comedy maybe?).

No one can be as stupid as those guys were while they were attempting to kill their mark.

And the line.... "I'll take you camping when this is done!" was definitely the screen writers exaggerated attempt to show how dumb these guys were and and to get a laugh or two from the audience at the same time.

I think I only liked it because I knew one of the 'criminals' involved.

Haven't had a  chance to read all of this interesting subject but .....

I personally believe that this video is a fake, a fraud, and a lie; but not necessarily in that order.

If anyone or any organization ever had the opportunity to film or video-tape an extraterrestrial such filming would be performed under photographic conditions that would render the subject mattter to be seen under ideal conditions .....

Something like you see on the screen in a professionally produced Hollywood movie.

I am not a professional photographer but I could definitely shoot a better video than the video in question.

If the creature was real, I'd light it up as much as possible.

If he was fake, I'd shoot him in the dark or within dark surroundings.

One big Hollywood "secret" is too shoot various scenes in the dark or with dark surroundings so that you won't notice how fake that 'monster' really is.

You should notice that whenever a 'movie monster' makes an appearance he's in the dark.

This allows him to look 'more real' on that screen .

I once played the part of a bear in a major film and it really looked far from real once I was suited up ..... but it looked damn good when it appeared on screen ..... because it was dark.

I want to believe in extraterrestrials but I gotta see a clearer photo first.

 

XFACTOR, Another great comment from you which I'd like to elaborate on.

Most of the people in my family are involved in some athletic endeavors ... football, gymnastics (two actually with Cirque), lifters, and stunt performers in major motion pictures such as Supeerman, The Hobbit, an two actors who appear on screen frequently (nope ... Not a Pitt or Cruise type character).

Two of the girls are even dancers on Broadway in NYC. A physically demanding job.

And each of them find it necessary to stay in top physical condition to meet the demands of their jobs.

They all have one thing in common which appears to be very evident on this GetBig Board and throughout every-day life in general.

And each have found it to be a FACT that those individuals who offer adverse remarks are always guys and gals who never take care of themselves  as many athletes ten to do due to the necessity of there chosen profession.

I'm definitely not qualified to call it 'professional jealousy' or merely 'general jelousy' due to the fact that there are many other factors involved, but in my mind there is some sort of illness floating around (and has been for as long as I remember) when those with less fortunate 'physiques' attempt to redicule those who are difinitely fortunate to look decent when the shirt comes off.

I also think that this 'illness' is somewhat prevalent among some of the better bodybuilders who do their best to insult those who are thin or skinny because that skinny kid may be the way he wants to be.

Or something like that! is there a name for such an illnes?

And it seems to  be a bit contagious on this GetBig Board.

Well stated, LURKER!

SHIJZZO, Thanks! Very generous of you to offer protection, But I'm my own man and never needed protection for the past few years.

That was my job for a good number of years but now I'm retired and living the life where armed cohorts are no longer necessary.

Thanks though!

Appreciate  your offer though and just might call on your if a situation ever does arrise.

Do you have any active duty armed conflict military history or other 'protection' experience?

Serious question.

Thanks again providing you were serious with your offer,

SHIZZO, Thanks for not saying  bad things about me! I appreciate that (I think).

I guess I just ain't the jealous type of person.

That's the best and only answer I can give you.

Good abs, Bouncer. Work lower abs with hanging leg raises and get ab info from GetBiggers who know what the hell they are talking about.

Andreas Cahling on he left.

True Grit, you may be right and I could be mistaken......but that photo was taken long ago and I still think it's Paco.

Major owner of an international fragrance company if I recall correctly ..
Paco Pablan. (Spelling?)

Intelligent and interesting individual.

More Zombies coming our way ...... but these ones are speedy!

BOUNCE/ Good having you on this Board. I think you are helping more GtBiggers more than you realize  to get in better shape with your honesty regarding your 'supps' and your photos which might encourage others to train harder.

Good job, Bounce!