Yes you are right on many things but those guys are the very top, they have trained for years and years and have conditioned themselves for this. In track and field/cross country skiing etc. they have 100 lbs people with heart rates in 200's (during the event) and then you have 300-400 lbs guys pulling a truck with heart rates of 150. So many of these guys are def. built and conditioned for this. As for steroids, i know for a fact that many PL's and strongmen use a lot less than the Olympia line up + they don't use many of the exotics that really take their toll. As for the most dangerous drug usage, i'm fairly sure it's by endurance athletes that try to pass the test's by using very weird compounds AND the very top bodybuilders.

WSM looks "worse" than it is.

No it doesn't.

I know plenty of really big guys with good cholesterol and BP numbers and plenty of really skinny people who have horrible numbers and just don't care. The thing is when  a big guy dies it gets a lot of attention, but when a "regular" person dies "it's just one of those things"... That said i'm quite sure that many of them have some issues, but keep them in check with medications.

Agreed.

Better than 99% of the people that "perform" in American Idol!

PS. Merry Christmas!

Methyltrienolone's numbers are: 33000/35000
Source's: William Llewellyn and Patrick Arnold.

But i'd choose halo over that poison any day.


Yeah they don't really transfer to "real world" and almost as rule the higher these numbers are the worst you will feel. M1T, Mibolerone, methyltrienolone etc. are extremely powerful but cant be used for a long time, they are only good for short runs along with normal gear (or when getting ready for PL meet etc.) but test is something you can run forever...

M1T is missing from this list, that stuff is insane! (If legit). Every single one of my gym buddies (me included) look very different after 2 weeks on the stuff 20 mg/day (when added to regular cycle). But it has a lot of sides: lethargy, high bp, fucked lipids, water retention, anxiety, sleeping issues. I'd say that the only orals that are stronger than that are the very rare (and often fake) Mibolerone and methyltrienolone. It still makes me laugh how people called it a "pro-hormone" and that it was legal...

 

Extreme hgh abuse can make your jaw bigger, but the use has to be massive.

Most AAS "FACE" is caused by water retention and then again very low bf levels can make ones face look "weird."

"Going by feel" isn't smart, at all. When i "felt" my bp it was already sky high. I took meds for years, then got rid of a stressful job and now my bp is ideal without meds.

Get yourself a BP-monitor ASAP, (one with a big enough cuff) i'd recommend Omron M6 comfort, get that it's awesome. BP-monitor is the wrong place to try and save money.

What are your BP levels like? (in the morning, after working out, at night and at complete rest? Keep a log for a few days and show it to which ever doctor you will (hopefully) visit, also post them here or PM me.

They'll end up costing as much (or more) and might help marginally, if even that. No doctor will have a problem with a patient who's actually interested in their own well being. Most people don't give a shit about PB until they get a stroke or something like that.

^ Stay away from that combo.

You'd have to run that stuff in the amounts that even most pro's couldn't afford to get those sides...

In sane doses it won't do that.

Asking for sources is against the rules.

Enalapril maleate is an Rx ace-inhibitor, good & safe med.
Don't use viagra with it, cialis is ok, but not at the same time...

Creatine and diuretics isn't a good idea, it might look good on paper, but it's not in real life. Stay away from nitrates as well, unless your doc Rx's them to you for serious heart issues.

10 mg Linatil ed (enalapril maleate) it's a safe and effective medication for high blood pressure. I use to take it for years, then about a 18 months ago it fixed it self when i didn't have to stress the way i used to. BP is a VERY serious issue so take it very seriously, it's easy to keep under control but when the damage has been done it's too late. Even Dan Duchaine praised enalapril maleate since it's cheap, effective, safe and even offers some bodybuilding benefits because it works by relaxing the blood vessels.

PS. I think that Universal Nutrition's arbuterol is more effective than X-pel...

Hdrol is a great designer steroid (prohormone LOL) there's been a few times when i didn't trust the brand of tbol i was about to get so i got hdrol by cel instead and i'd say one normal cap 25 mg of hdrol is 10 mg or "real" tbol or more if the quality isn't what it should be.

I've done both regular cycles as in test + tbol and tbol only i've dosed anywhere from 20-90 mg per day. When i use it with test i normally use 30-40 mg per day when i took it alone i used more. You can do tbol only cycles but obviously it's much better to use test with it. Tbol is a good AAS but conservative dose of test + tbol wins high dose tbol only IMO. + When i went over 60 mg/day i got annoying headaches even though my BP was fine...

Same here, too many nerves etc. i think you have to be running a ton of gear (too much) if you can't get by ass, quads and delts...

Turinabol is one of the best steroids ever! I swear it takes a week and a completely different guy looks back from the abyss. Anyways, what you should feel (or at least i feel) is more energy, more power, faster recovery, intense pumps and obviously you will look better too. I prefer it to dianabol (which i also think is a great steroid) since it does not raise my BP.


I feel better after the first two shots, but it takes a little time to build noticeable muscle (water retention is a whole different thing).

I agree it's awesome. The original french med version i.m lentaron depot is long gone but many sites still carry it on oral and transdermal version and is not hard to get, even though it's "banned!" LOL!

As far as i know formestane is the only one that raises IGF-1 levels.


That's somewhat true, aromasin has little effect, adex kills at least my lipids, not sure about letro...

I'd say low(ish) dosages of test-mast + eca + cardio/diet

If it was mixed it might had gone "bad" as in lost some potency but if it wasn't it's g2g.

He has many kids, i think 5 or 6.