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1  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: Today at 06:03:59 PM
What about all the muscle chicks coming out of Sweden, whats that all about? Do they not get harassed like the men? Or do they get looked over by the feminist powers that be?

A chick was detained for urinalysis by the cops for training too often. Someone called the cops because they said this woman was training often and had mood swings. She tested clean and filed a complaint.

One gym banned members who drank protein shakes as that was seen as a slippery slope, you start with protein shakes and end up with a needle up your ass.

One "expert" said a sign of steroid use is drinking a lot of water during workouts. Also, the users lacked any "joy" in their training, they don't look happy working out.

This is no joke, it's Sweden.

Swedish IFBB pro Andreas Cahling has an FB page reporting all these happenings. Only reason he can do it is because he resides in the US, otherwise he would be in custody.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Muscle-profiling-in-Sweden-stop-the-madness/187462231285140

Andreas wonders when bodybuilders decide enough is enough and retaliate against the police. Cheesy

2  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Ron Avidan Epic thread. on: Today at 09:40:03 AM
The best way to thank Ron for this place is to regularly create anti-semitic threads. Warms his heart.
3  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: Today at 08:14:12 AM
Maybe thats why he doesn't have a bloated midsection.
The only difference in todays top guys and the old top guys is the GH and insulin.
Any chance he might be right?

Yes of course he can be right. But the point is he has an opinion on something he never did himself. So is personal experience always necessary?

If it is then Coach can only advice on reaching this level. A tiny tit, a good looking tiny tit but a tiny tit nonetheless Cheesy:

4  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: Today at 08:10:49 AM
Out of curiosity, do you not compete because you think it’s ethically wrong to compete juiced in a natural federation, or because you think you wouldn’t be able to get round the testing?

I just don't like to lie. Today I think you also have to sign a legally binding statement you will pay like 10K if you fail a doping test. You will also be socially stigmatized, forget about ever going into a PL club to train, they will report you to the police etc. It's too much hassle even if you are good liar with no ethical qualms.

One famous Swedish PL'er failed a doping test like a decade ago, he served his sentence but even to this day the other competitors will not greet him and acknowledge him at a meet (they may have been friends and training partners for a decade before the failed test)... they make no secret of the fact they don't want him there at all. Forever a cheating scumbag in their eyes. He also lost his bouncing job due to the failed test.

Its because hes not strong enough.

Maybe. I'm also not a very competitive person by nature. But whatever the case I couldn't do it with the drug climate being what it is in this fucked up country.
5  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: Today at 07:57:57 AM
It now becomes crystal clear why you believe more drugs = better physique.

Look, I never made it as simple as that. You can do too many drugs and ruin everything too. But if you're around bodybuilders, see what they use, compare the dosages between these guys, look at the bodyweights and compare to the doses, see the difference GH makes, see what kind of gains the low dosers make who never advance in their drug use (like I said most bodybuilders are not making gains, most haven't gained shit in years and years)... you observe and draw conclusions.

I mean how can Coach say insulin and GH ruined bodybuilding, HE NEVER DID THOSE DRUGS. How can the old-school bodybuilders say todays drug regimens ruined bodybuilding and cause these guys to grow too much... how can they make those claims if they never did it?
I'm sure you do the same as well, or do you say there is no way I would have gained any more size if I added GH, insulin and ramped up the steroid doses... you can't with your logic.

Genetics is first in bodybuilding, but to reach a certain size and look some things are required.
6  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: Today at 07:41:39 AM
Van b also post on aswedish forum, king grub is his name there

I'm not sure if you're joking but I don't post on Swedish forums. I did post on Kolozzeum a decade ago maybe, but you had fags like that Arne Persson moron saying you could win the Swedish champs clean, like his friend (forgot his name). I look at the forum for some pics with a friend every now and then and Arne is still spewing his anti-drug talk... meanwhile being a head judge in drug pageant. What a scumbag. BODY magazine, more scumbags, "we are against drug use" and "we don't feature bodybuilders who failed drug tests". Bitches with no balls.
7  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: Today at 07:32:16 AM
Yep, his next response will be based around how he is more of a powerlifter and loves lifting big weights even though he could be almost as strong and be in shape.

Will we ever see a photo, not in a million years.

I could NOT look real good no matter what. I look so bad I almost never take pics even for my own use because it only makes me depressed. Last year I took one single pic in a tank top because I thought my delts popped out a little. I have no excuses. The only claim I make is that I love to train, that's it, never said any different. I'm pretty strong for my size in certain lifts but I don't compete because we only have the IPF here, and the powerlifting culture here is very anti-drugs and I make no apologies over the fact that I'm juiced... I'm honest like that, I don't cheat. I could never be a good bb, no matter how many drugs I took.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! Gayer than wearing a leather cowboy hat.


Brutalis genetics have-not type of reply.


Alex, you are complete scum as a human being, everything coming out of your keyboard is a lie. Why don't you come clean about your wonderful natural genetics, "pro level size natural" you preached here for a decade... yeah we will be waiting. You probably used more drugs than most here. Tell us what you achieved with all that drugging and lying over years and years. Other than make you a perma-fatso alcoholic internet warrior.

As far as the comment I made why don't you ask chaos what was wrong about it. Why don't you ask an elite powerlifter if it takes a long time to recover from a meet. You do 9 singles at most in a meet... ask them if they feel fresh the days following. Less than a minute of excertion total, that's nothing right?

LiarScumbagSpeed

PS. it ain't that serious chief.
8  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 16, 2014, 06:26:22 PM
The first, lifting heavy weights is hard for a few seconds then it's like you are fine.

Lifting fairly heavy weight for higher reps is brutal.

LOL, no you are not fine after extremely heavy sets... LOL no way. It's like this, take a powerlifter setting a world record... it may take MONTHS to recover from the few seconds of exertion. Pumping till you puke is brutal but recovering from low reps is a challenge too. Nervous system takes a beating, mentally you take beating. My training partner set a PR single in the squat last friday, he did nothing else, warming up for 90 minutes, then hit the PR. He has trained for 30 years, competed at an elite level for a long time. He was shaking for a couple of hours after that... felling beat up all weekend. Cheesy Told me he needs to downcycle his training for several months to recover. This ain't no guy afraid of hard work, an absolute animal in the gym.

Platz did "deat sets" in the squat for high reps but he could only do this twice a month. A guy who says he trains to the absolute limit twice weekly is not going all out, I guarantee that.
9  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 16, 2014, 06:19:14 PM

ya. def didn't help him getting better looking that's for sure. why the fuck guys do this to themselves is beyond me. it not for women. so what's it for, to look good for other guys?

Yeah maybe, but the 2011 look gave him like 15th place in the nationals and second look gave him a pro win. For some it's simply the competitive aspect. Why would Hossein Rezazadeh look like a disgusting fat fuck to be the strongest weightlifter in the world? Why would powerlifters look like shit to break PR's? It's the challenge of the thing, the mental aspect.

Do you think the second look takes heavy use? Cheesy
10  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 16, 2014, 06:14:53 PM
Actually it was, we trained and that's what we came to the gym for. 6 days a week.

Well, if you train very hard going 6 days a week is hard to do in the first place, your body will be in pieces in 2 weeks or worst case you'll be in hospital if you go all out trying to do some twice daily 2 hour sessions. But there's different ways to gauge intensity. Volume is not how I measure it. Some of these guys today do heavy sets of squats with maybe 500-600lbs. In pumping iron Arnold did some sets with 315 or 405. Which is more intense? Volume and short rests until you puke from the cardio aspect or really taxing sets with really heavy weights? I vote the second. Puking is no way to gauge intensity or effectiveness,

You can go hard or you can go long. I believe this is a pretty accurate statement.



11  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 16, 2014, 06:03:18 PM
Dead by 40.

Why should he be dead if that only takes very moderate use? Cheesy
12  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 16, 2014, 06:02:33 PM
Jesus Van, I think we can all agree on that but not 20+ IU's above and beyond normal fucking production.

I don't know about that. 20iu's is nothing for a diabetic eating a moderately heavy meal. It's very well within physiological parameters. Now if you did 100iu in one go then yeah. If a bodybuilder can get away with 20iu only eating 100 grams of carbs, even with some insulin resistance going on, then it's hardly crazy. I've written about this before, eating a snickers bar will elicit a higher insulin level than a 10iu insulin shot (in a study).
13  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 16, 2014, 05:50:21 PM
I know very little of this Compton dude. Is he taking a shit load, probably. I don't even know if he's a pro or not. I don't keep up with bodybuilding that much. What's his weight? Show a front shot or even the mandatories.

Who the hell knows except him, his trainer and maybe a few close friends.

Compton is 25 I believe? I couldn't find his weight with a quick search. Look at how he's grown last few years. I don't pretend to know exactly what he's doing but it's safe to say it's more than moderate. Look at his face.

2011



2014

14  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 16, 2014, 05:36:07 PM
I`ve got a PM right here on getbig from my old friend Chris Aceto who says to me in the PM......paraphrasing here a bit:

"Damn Tim,these guys today don`t train hard at all,they would have never lasted with us back in the day".

And as we all know,Aceto was a good bodybuilder himself,anfd trained tons of top name guys including Cutler.

Ask him if Cutler trains hard... I GUARANTEE he will say, well Cutler is the exception, he trains very hard.  Cheesy
15  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 16, 2014, 05:25:59 PM



imo heaviest use would be most beneficial post contest.

you dont need a lot of drugs to create the look, and your not going to put on a lot of weight during your prep by pounding your body like that unless the tissue is existing and your growing in.

post contest your body is dying to grow, the reuptake of nutrients and fluids prime the environment for growth. couple that with the increases in poundages the water and glycogen bring, running heavier courses immediately after rather then during just makes better use of your mg's for the reasons i stated above.

whats the heaviest you have gone mg wise and what compounds did you do, and what weight were you at at that time, and bf level?

Well, I think there is a difference between say 400mg tren and 100mg Anavar the last few weeks and a gram of tren and 200mg of Anadrol. There is a reason Anadrol loading is popular and oral use in general is often heavy in the end. It obviously differs between individuals but this is what I believe.

As for my use, it's sporadic and not well thought out. If I could compete and/or showcased my body in the clubs like you guys love to do I might take the bodybuilding aspect more serious. I have shitty genetics and disfiguring injuries so competition is out, but if I could compete I would even with crappy genetics and guaranteed poor placing since the pressure of competition will help you advance imo.

I take drugs for the strength aspect mostly. I haven't done a lot of heavy stuff but experimented with heavy test for example last summer when ESfitness talked about his injection schedules. For example I shot 12 amps of test in one go for the hell of it but could only handle a couple of weeks of that. Orals I have done heavy for a few weeks at a time, up to about 200 Anadrol and 100 Dbol for a few days before trying to break pr's for example. I usually weigh between 210 and 250, "fat" (haven't measured bf) at 5'10'' or 5'11''. Right now I do 500mg test and 1cc of tren every 10 days, with a dbol or Anadrol 3 times a week pre-workout.
16  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 16, 2014, 10:42:17 AM
Any trainer who specifies one of his client's "stacks" is taking a big risk and is violating his client's privacy.


Coach has been in the industry for a long time. Why do people here feel some sort of entitlement to knowing what we/he knows about competitors drug usage.


Why do people care? Why don't you ask: What bodybuilders in your gym are abusing pain killers and snorting Coke (a ~ Cola) daily?


We know why. Because they figure if they do the exact same thing that Shawn Rhoden is doing, they will look like him... unless, of course, they are Caucasian.


Stupid questions, all the time, every day... gotta stay consistent I guess.


Until steroids and other bodybuilding Pharma become legal, the answers to these questions are never going to be accurately addressed.


So.....


Stop asking?

What is this bullshit? He can answer in general terms. No one is asking for any specifics.
17  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Best Natural Testosterone Booster? on: April 16, 2014, 10:08:43 AM
Ah yes, but these are bodybuilders--the same people who would eat horse poop if it made them grow.  Not the average candidate for trt, who has enough trouble poking himself twice a month.

No honestly, I have no idea why andriol isnt used more.... that's just a guess

The bioavailability is shit. Have to be taken with a meal contaning some fat, but still shit.

I would do those buccal test products instead if I wanted an oral.
18  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 16, 2014, 07:20:41 AM
I guess Coach doesn't want to elaborate. He knows damn well you need heavy use to do anything in the pros today. You need GH and insulin to reach those bodyweights, there is no way around it. His personal aesthetic preference for the smaller, less lean guys of yesteryear has nothing to do with this argument.

Not sure, I once tripled my dosage 5 weeks out from a show and upped my calories by a third, net gain = 2lb weight gain and slight increase in hardness, that could have been the additional cals.

I think once you are on severely reduced cals the amount of gear doesnt really make much of a difference.

Did you used to use thyroid hormones? What about GH?

Thyroid is catabolic and the cycle BFG posted had very high T3 doses (though I suspect the T4/T3 doses were switched by mistake by BFG). Thyroid hormones, GH and size of the competitor affect how much is useful. I personally think the heavy use is most beneficial pre-contest. Not just due to the catabolism but also the jacked, veiny look it gives. Very heavy tren and anadrol definitely gives you a different look in the last few weeks even if there is no new protein synthesis going on.
19  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 15, 2014, 01:56:41 PM
Basically, I'd like for Coach to tell us in approximate terms how much gear an average pro "needs" today to win shows. He came arguing in several threads saying BFG's cycle was ridiculous and not needed, and now he says insulin and GH isn't needed. He really needs to elaborate here.

Hey Coach, look what your hero Berardi says about insulin. You praised this guy many times here.

Quote
[ Q ] You've written a lot about post-workout nutrition. How important is it to take advantage of insulin post workout?

    It depends on your goals. For starters, just so that everyone is up to speed, insulin plays important roles in both carbohydrate and amino acid uptake across the muscle cell membranes as well as acts as a key signaling molecule to stimulate protein synthesis.

    The insulin signaling pathway is an elegant one because once the insulin molecule binds to the cell membrane, it sets in motion two different chemical messenger systems that accomplish three goals:

        This system increases transcription (RNA formation)
        Increases glucose uptake into the cell
        Increases the translation of the cellular RNA into protein. Although there are other pathways that stimulate translation of RNA into protein, the insulin pathway is one of the most important nutritional ones.

    I hope it's clear, therefore, that insulin plays a critical role in post-workout recovery of protein balance. Now, whether or not we need a HUGE insulin burst depends on our goals. If someone is interested in maximum growth and recovery, lots of carbohydrate, protein and insulin should flood the body immediately after a workout.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki12.htm

Oh no, the guy you look up to is fucking up bodybuilders' metabolic pathways. Roll Eyes
20  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 15, 2014, 01:42:57 PM
Here he is at 70
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIPZgmxgg_s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIPZgmxgg_s</a>

Ironically he was probably on gh and insulin at 70 years old. Didn't he go into a hypoglycemic coma before he died?

If you cut the cycle BFG posted in half it wouldn't make a noticeable difference come show day.

So half would still be needed? That's your take on it? Half is still a lot, several grams, especially the orals would still be plenty high. Would 3iu of Humatrope be just as good as the 6iu he wrote out? GH peaks at 3iu? I don't think so.

I agree that the effect of steroids taper off dramatically after a certain point, but more is still more and could still account for a few pounds come show day and the guys try to get every edge they can.
21  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 15, 2014, 01:41:04 PM
Why anyone would want to fuck with insulin is beyond me. Talk about fucking up your metabolic pathways!!

Yet you praise that Berardi guy who believes in jacking up insulin around certain times. Whether exogenous or endogenous, it's still insulin. Lots of insulin may lead to a less than desirable look but insulin isn't inherently evil, that's ridiculous.

Tell us how taking some insulin before workouts, like your nemesis Milos recommends, fucks up your metabolic pathways. Milos basically recommended a low- or zero carb diet except around workouts... so you jack up your insulin for 2 hours a day if you train once. Will that fuck up your pathways?
22  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 15, 2014, 01:35:52 PM


The difference was bodybuilders actually trained back then. It meant something.

Bullshit. You know I started reading bb mags in the 80s. I particularly remember an article about some Swedish amateur bodybuilders going over to Venice to find the "secrets" of the pros. Know what all the pros told them? They all said it's all about diet and supplements, you could train in whatever way you wished, it didn't matter much.

Plenty of guys train hard today, plenty of guys push hard year round, eating on the clock, training and drugging heavy year round. Many of those fantastic looking old-school bodybuilders took time off, smoked weed, rec drugged and chased bitches between shows. I doubt it was any more hardcore back then (even in the gym).
23  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 15, 2014, 01:31:33 PM
Please..tell me more about GH/insulin?




The argument isn't whether Beckles or Nubret looked good, they obviously fucking did. You said
today's bodybuilders are doing more than they need... or that the stack BFG posted isn't needed. You said it. So I take it you mean these guys like Compton could put on that 50-60lbs of lbm they have over Nubret by doing way less than what was posted by BFG. But we both know the extra size is completely drug dependent so your comments on that stack were completely USELESS and false.

So what exactly was the point you were arguing over, since you obviously disagreed with BFG (yet know better)?! Tell us. How much would you guess Compton takes... how "little" could he take and still look like that? That BFG tack isn't needed so tell us how much he "needs".
24  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Coach Joe is going to share with getbig what a real PRO stack looks like on: April 15, 2014, 10:49:40 AM
I also know you don't need all that was listed in that ridiculous cycle that was posted.  

Okay, I have to say something here. What do you mean by need? Need for WHAT?

Take a look at Justin Compton at the Orlando. Do you disagree that you need a shitlod of drugs to look like this guy? Look at the animalistic beef, look at his fucked up face. Look how much he has grown in the last few years.

It's one thing to say you don't need all those drugs BFG listed to look good, but to look like this guy, to win pro shows is something else. Yes he may look like shit to you but that is beside the point.

Compare him to you your "below 1 gram, insulin and gh free" physique. I think it was a damn shame you did such a balonie cycle for that show you did because you could have won the whole damn show otherwise... would have been a fine way to exit the sport.

Please tell us how many drugs a Justin Compton type needs to look like this. Please tell us this is possible without any insulin, gh and with just a few hundred mg's of roids. Roll Eyes

25  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Steroid Myths #1... all u gotta do is take more and you'll be a freak. on: April 14, 2014, 03:54:58 AM
That delt looks unlike any delt I ever saw before... like a banana that extends from the rhomboids to the tricep. Huh
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