What accomplishments? Taking cock up the ass and lying about taking drugs?
Disgusting POS.

A ratio of over 6:1 used to be a fail. They lowered the limit to 4:1. Don't know
if that by itself is a fail nowadays but the isotope test will tell if the test is synthetic.
Still leaves a bit of room to play as the normal ratio is 1:1. Guys were even adding
synthetic epitest to improve the ratio. I think they look at the messenger hormones
too which you mentioned (lh) if something looks suspicious. Doping with steroids successfully
isn't as easy as some think nowadays - if they really look closely at your samples.

Masking or substituting a fake sample is another way but must be complicated. Some Russians failed because their urine didn't have the right DNA. Testers became suspicious because
these athletes were too compliant with the testers! Always there willing to be tested.

If they REALLY look at your samples using all available science then doping with steroids is very hard IMO. If it were easy then the females for example would be matching/beating old DDR records but they aren't.

If an athlete fails the 4:1 test:epitest ratio an "isotope" test
is applied to see if the test is synthetic. Problem is that it's not
applied unless an athlete fails the first test so a number of dopers
skate by. Conte and others have pointed this out as a loophole
that should closed.

This is news to me. I never said that. Look at the pic I posted, then read the whole T Prop section at the link I gave. It's not the same - read at the link. Doesn't change the fact that T Enanthate has an accepted half-life of less than 5 days.

Test Enanthate is the most used TRT product ever, on the market since 1952. How it behaves at TRT dosages is well established to say the least. There is no argument here really. That HRT docs
have noticed drop after 5 days is not ridicuolus as you say. Even on the forums there's tons and tons of guys on HRT who have done bloodwork and it all agrees with the data I gave links to = dosing every two weeks is always inferior to once weekly because the test is gone at 2 weeks (at HRT dosages). From too high to too low is no way to do TRT. Guys are even switching to subcutaneous shots of enan/cyp to reduced the fluctuations.

If you've been hammering grams weekly for months then of course some lingers around longer after you stop.

The point is that your doctor does not have any studies showing 2 weeks to be an ideal injection
frequency to have stable levels. It's a compromise, due to patient compliance. It's a pain in the ass
for many to inject IM very often. Also, some docs want the patient to come in for their shots and don't like patients self administering. Same with the 6 week interval for a single 250mg Testoviron for HRT. The docs knew, and the data showed, that the patient will be hypogonadal half the time, with too high levels the first few days, but they probably figured it will be good enough as 250mg is about what a person produces in 6 weeks. Now there's Nebido which is shot like every couple of months - that most patients can deal with.

It's also strange that you diss science on pharmacokinetics when you yourself argue based on your own bloodwork! What if I said fuck the bloodwork, I know your test isn't as high as your tests showed. LOL that would be stupid. Either you believe in science (in this case analysis of your blood using some scientific methodology) or you don't.


The highest studied dose of enanthate is 600mg as far as I know so that's a good point. I remember Disgusted saying his friend still had very elevated test like 6 months after stopping his injections! I think it was one of those guys who did 500mg of test per day. This does not mean test has a half-life of several months, there must be another explanation. Maybe some of the test crystallized and was trapped in scar tissue or whatever and seeped out at a much slower rate. I don't know.

Read it and weep  

http://books.google.se/books?id=mEgckDNkonUC&pg=PA442&lpg=PA442&dq=testosterone+enanthate+pharmacokinetics&source=bl&ots=1D5HaUukRd&sig=-C9DL3CYbieGSClCg6zSWtz2FFQ&hl=sv&sa=X&ei=cDSaUenWNaTn4QTdsYC4AQ&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=testosterone%20enanthate%20pharmacokinetics&f=false

LOL you know the reason for the 2 week interval? Patient convenience, nothing else! You
know what the Schering Testoviron recommended as injection interval?
Six weeks! The same product that stated it had an average half-life of 2-3 days. Most patients
would be hypo by 2 weeks, starting with very HYPER levels
the first few days. Obviously not very ideal. But it has to do with
patients and docs not wanting to inject every week. That's why Nebido has replaced every
other test in much of Europe.

I'll write more when I'm at my puter, hate typing on my phone.

So Schering has it all wrong? All their research is bullshit? Why have all the studies
on test used once weekly dosing if the half-life is much longer
than 10 days?

HRT docs who recommend shooting at least once weekly are clueless? Why
would you need to administer weekly? Might as well go once
monthly or something. HRT docs have noticed a sharp drop in levels
after 5 days.

There are other explanations for the long, complete clearance. Total dosage over the cycle
for example.

The prop/enan combo is rare, this was the straight enanthate.
The half-life isn't that exact as it's affected by injection site, carrier, concentration etc.
But I haven't found any reference for the 10.5 day quote.
So I say 2-5 days.

Google roidcalc. It has a reference for enanthate.

In the PDR for Schering's Testoviron it said 2-3 day half-life IIRC.

TA knows perfectly well these guys are full of hormones. For some reason
he thinks this is a funny topic to troll.

That short guy.... look at his face. You don't even need to
see the body.

Can't remember the half-life of cyp but enanthate
is like 2-5 days, not the often quoted 10.5 days.
Don't know where that came from. According to one
textbook enanthate increases plasma T faster than prop.

All steroids start working immediately pretty much.

But you said there's no real UG gear on the market ..
so they're not really using tren... just watered down test I think
you said.

In which specific European countries is EQ used as a base with little to no test?

The main reason for the harder look is that they
pull down into weight classes. Kamali looked great too
when he only "ate" liquids for a couple of weeks to make
weight when he got his card.

There were a few disasters in this show too... in the
heavyweights. No surprise. I'm sure some of the most ripped
guys here have done very heavy test dosages too.

Trying to weigh a lot is what ruins physiques.

Live finals webcast right now:

http://om.md/bodybuilding/#.UY-F98rT47o

My buddy Christofer is in the -90 class. Looking at the pics I think he probably made
top 3. Keeping fingers crossed.

Christofer is on the right. The other 2 guys are the other top 3 guys for sure.

Great post. Made many of those points myself before.

Like you said, why would Kai's traps have gotten better? I haven't even looked at the video but
common sense tells me Kai's traps will never improve in relation to the rest.

No pro ever changes his proportions. If there's a difference in Kai's traps there can only be one
explanation: a foreign substance.

He does not have the gene mutation, as per his own words. He was tested. Yet it's obvious to you?

Look at the damn comparison pic there. LOL.

Drugs is not the only thing he lies about either.

From half a Dyazide? Doesn't sound right, those type
of losses are common with loop diuretics. Dyazide
comes in two strengths and if I take one of the stronger
ones the scale doesn't move at all. Same thing with
others I know... takes a few days to work well. Bbers use
potassium sparing diuretics so water doesn't spill
back out... loops are used to quickly lose water.

Do you have any Dyazide on hand? Take one and eat
and drink normally and watch the scale. I'm curious
if the scale moves.

IME Dyazide is weak as fuck, it's not even a true
diuretic really. I don't think it would affect erections for most
unless you also severely restrict sodium and water.

And if you're on steroids you're holding extra water anyway,
you're not getting dehydrated from a Dyazide.

I don't use it for that because it doesn't help much. But I'm not against the idea in principle.
Why not taka advantage of science if it doesn't hurt. Too much inflammation
can be harmful/counterproductive. Why do you think NSAIDs are
preloaded before surgery for example?

Most all elite athletes live on NSAIDs. Did you see the show
on TV about Swedish athletes and painkillers, particularly diklofenak
and other NSAIDs?

DOMS can be a lot more painful than whatever most
people use aspirin for. Forgot to drink enough
water, drank too little coffee... pop an aspirin.
Back when I used to train hard I sometimes literally
couldn't walk for a few days. I remember calling in sick
for school because I couldn't get there. Would've needed
something a lot stronger than aspirin to make me functional.

It's possible to kill yourself by training real hard (rhabdo)

So you got jaundiced from which medication exactly?

Aspirin does not thin the blood.


Why not? Sure, heroin would be more effective.

Toxic dosage apparently can manifest from 100mg/kg.
That's 10,000mg for a 220lbs person.

Aspirin is prescribed at up to 4000mg/day in arthritis.