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85876  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 06:07:33 PM
I've solved it....Vince is 240...Vince has been around for awhile and he couldn't sell websites at the rate of a "white man" so he came up with 240...its even more brilliant...

Hi Mike Arvilla
85877  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 05:56:38 PM
db, please research the seismic blasts measured by multiple agencies that day all over the NYC area.  They are not political, they are not biased, they are nothing but science measuring the ground tremors.

It was recorded by numerous different teams (geological firms, schools, and others) that there were bigger blasts prior to the two planes hitting.  There were also a series of blasts before the collapse started.  You can argue "well maybe the gas pockets did this" and "just maybe the fire was able to travel 1100 feet through sealed elevator shafts and still retain enough energy to destroy marble columns on the ground lobby.

But you cannot argue with the fact that blasts occurred in the basement, 10 and 9 seconds respectively, before the planes hit.

Smoking gun.

85878  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 05:52:17 PM
sorry boss.  I'd be happy to make a wager with you on this one if you feel like it. 

You'd be smarter putting your $ on a top 6 kamali finish at the O.

Hi Stavios
85879  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 05:46:12 PM
Again it takes weeks to rig a building a fifth of the size of the wtc and your saying they did it in 36 hours with employees present?

You're forgetting that finances were not an issue.

And ones the main elevators, from basement to roof, in both buildings, was non-operational during the 5 days leading to 911.  Could have been men in there working nonstop 24/7.
85880  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 05:45:04 PM
Tanks in the basements accounted for the fires burning on and the molten steel is just unconfirmed eyewitness accounts.Yes the building was made to withstand a plane hitting it, but not for the impact to knock the fireproofing off the beams or the jet fuel to rage through a confined space.

Seismic data shows those tanks exploded ten seconds before any plane hit.  
Please explain that.

People were being shredded by explosions on multilpe floors, firefighters were reporting blasts everywhere.

And there was no real damage betwen floors 65 and 75.  So how did all that jet fuel magically get down to the 8th floor?  We know the elevators were hermetically sealed, and that no fires was below these floors from the jets.  

Google 'william rodriguez 911'
He worked there for 20 years and had quite an adventure that day with the explosives.
85881  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 05:39:19 PM
To tamper with a crime scene is a felony.  Whenever an act of arson occurs police representatives would be expected to arrive to quickly service and seal off the area.  As anyone schooled in criminal justice realizes, it is imperative to preserve crime scenes intact to assist further investigation and potential criminal prosecution.

In the case of 9/11, we had a series of explosions at the most famous symbol of American capitalism, the World Trade Center.  So what was trained prosecutor Giuliani's response, the same Giuliani who was U.S. Attorney for the district embracing New York City, the nation's largest metropolis?

Giuliani brought in Controlled Demolition, the same highly suspect firm which had completed the destruction of the Murtagh Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, disposing of all evidence in the process.  The contract that was let just 11 days after 9/11 empowered Controlled Demolition to recycle the steel of the World Trade Center.

As 9/11 official verdict critic Webster Tarpley noted, "Guiliani has not had a word to say about this in his memoirs.  The city accepted rock-bottom prices for the steel; the priority was to make it disappear fast."

The steel was transported quickly to China, ending any opportunity to run any tests in connection with ascertaining how the 9/11 explosions may have occurred. 

85882  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 05:37:59 PM
Noone noticed these men fitting bombs on the multiple floors?

Scott Forbes was an employee of Fiduciary Trust, a firm located on floors 90 and 94-97 of the South Tower of the World Trade Center.  Forbes reported that over the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, floors 50 and above of the South Tower experienced a power down, meaning that all electrical currents were shut off for about 36 hours. 
The officially stated reason was that the electrical cables in the building were being upgraded.

In that Forbes functioned as a senior database administrator in charge of Fiduciary Trust's computer division, he was entrusted to shut down the company's computers before the shut down occurred.  After the power down he had to turn the computers back on and restore service to the network.

Because there was no electric power above the fiftieth floor there were also no security cameras or security locks.  There were many outside engineering personnel, however, coming and going in and out of the tower all weekend
85883  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 05:30:55 PM
The initial lean by the tower(s) was deceptive as it didnt show the pancaking which was the floors heading striaght DOWN in the inner shell.

Also, this is your "inner shell".  This building was build very very well.  you could have put 5 airplanes into it, and while it would have been gashed and looked terrible, it would have fallen.

Also, ask your neocon puppetmaster about the pools of molten steel under teh towers for 6 weeks.  We konw from the firefighter tapes that the South Towers was down to 2 small pockets of fire.  People were photographed standing in the gash, waving for help.  That fire would have been out in 15 minutes.  Please explain why there was a 50-foot pool of molten steel under all 3 towers (the twins and building 7).  

A reasonable person would study the materials and discover thermite was used to bring them down.  Thermite indeed does stay molten for weeks afterwards.  

An unreasonable person would agree it was jet fuel.  After all, we all know you can have two small fire from paper and jet fuel, and they'll still be burning 6 weeks later, right?
85884  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 05:27:01 PM
The initial lean by the tower(s) was deceptive as it didnt show the pancaking which was the floors heading striaght DOWN in the inner shell.

If you subscribe to the pancake theory, then you must agree that the buildings couldn't have fallen at freefall speed- which they did.  You see, the pancake theory requires the falling payload to slow a bit as it collapses upon each floor, the floor gives, and the new payload falls to the next floor.  Also, you're ignoring the fact that the load bearing , fireproofed, concrete reinforced steel central columns would have stood longer than the floors.  On the video, they both fall at freefall speed.  

Also, if you watch the videotape, you'll see steel beams being launched sideways and upwards, 200 yards into the air.  Typically, when you see heavy steel being launched 2 football fields into the air, you attribute that to explosions, not falling.  Have you ever dropped a brick which caused whatever it landed on to be launched 200 yards into the air?

Finally, the pancaking effct surely wouldn't have caused the concrete to pulverize, ESPECIALLY on the initial floors.  I mean, debris had falled 10 feet, and the first floor below it turned into powder immediately.  Again, when i drop a brick 10 feet, it doesn't turn into powder.

I implore you to read more about this topic.  You're regurgitating info put out in 2001 that has been debunked since.
85885  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 05:04:34 PM
Wow well done, you switched on a proxy and signed in under a different account, you convinced me.The flames didnt have to melt the steel beams btw, only have to slightly weaken them , would i have to melt you to make you fall over?

If my spine was 47 steel reinforced columns and you melted my head, the remnants of my head would run down the side of my body, as the law of physics require.  They certainly wouldn't choose to reverse the course of intertia and move though an intact, cold entity (my body) when their original direction had them running down the sides.

Of course, if a team of engineers has spent the weekend before this, wiring my spine with explosives, then my head would fall straight down.

You have been owned by a small group of neo-cons.  99% of your govt are good people.  1% allowed 911 to happen.  Do your research.  And if you're as sure about your 911 facts as you are about your "Vince is 240" facts, then I believe you may be a lost cause...
85886  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 05:00:42 PM
Sorry but we are not even the same race.  And why would 240 do business with himself.

BTW, I've actually been around since the late 90's when this place was American Bodybuilding.  However I was actually the infamous, Hefty Smurf.

Correct.

85887  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 04:54:22 PM
I disagree, is it any wilder than 240's 911 "conspiracies"?

I have some friends who are conspiracy nuts.

They believe, for example, that on 9/11 some clown named Osama bin Laden picked up his cell phone in a cave in Afghanistan and directed 19 Muslims, none of them professional pilots, to hijack four airliners and fly them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, thereby bringing down three steel-skeleton skyscrapers, the only time in world history that has ever happened.

A humdinger of a conspiracy, that one. My conspiracy nut friends know it's true because they have it on good authority -- George Bush told them so.

These conspiracy nuts also believe Osama is part of some mysterious worldwide "terrorist" organization of "Islamic fascists" that hates us because of our freedoms and democracy, and have enough power to destroy us -- despite our thousands of nuclear warheads, ships, warplanes, tanks, and countless men under arms. A fearsome enemy, to be sure, as President Bush frequently tells us.

For once, I agree with George Bush; 9/11 was a conspiracy. We just disagree on who was involved in that conspiracy. That is, we MAY disagree -- if he really believes what he told us. In other words, whether or not he was in or out of the loop.

9/11 was an inside job. The facts are indisputable. There was no way that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda could have pulled it off, or at least pulled it off without help.

Official story -- AKA Alternative Reality

Let's examine some of the absurdities that official government story on 9/11 would have us believe:

Nineteen hijackers were sent to the U.S., some of them taking flying lessons, apparently because Al Qaeda couldn't find any trained pilots. They didn't bother with aliases. One of them leaves his copy of the Koran at a bar, some of the others leave flight manuals in Arabic in parked cars.

They use undetected box cutters to overwhelm the crew and passengers of four different airliners and then engage in some miraculous precision flying to crash two of them into the WTC and one into the Pentagon. The fourth crashes into a field.

President Bush, meanwhile, is reading to some school kids when he is told about the hijackings. With the United States apparently under attack, he seems unconcerned and stays with the kids for quite some time.

Though the whole sequence of events takes more than an hour, none of the hijacked planes are intercepted, or even seen, by the Air Force.

The WTC South Tower collapses less than an hour after it was struck by one lone airplane; the North Tower falls in less than two hours. A third building, unhit by planes, falls later.

If you believe all of this, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Back in the Real World

The official story is so absurd on the surface that we have to consider some more realistic possibilities.

There are really only three others, although they have hundreds of variations.

1) Incompetence: Everybody just goofed -- from intelligence agencies to the Air Force.

2) They knew but ... Various people in power knew about the plot, the conspiracy, but they let it happen.

3) It was an inside job.

Number one is a nonstarter. It is impossible to believe in such massive incompetence. If our intelligence agencies and military and political establishments were that incompetent, the country would have fallen years ago.

Number two is a bit more plausible. If the neocons currently in power knew about the Al Qaeda plot, they might have decided to let it go ahead in order to serve their own purposes; a war on Iraq, for example. A bit more plausible, but not very persuasive. It still assumes some of the most absurd aspects of the official story.

Number three is the scenario of choice.

Let's briefly examine just a couple of the problems with the official fantasy.

Our Missing Air Force

The Air Force is protecting the United States with the most advanced fighter planes in the world. But on 9/11, planes that routinely fly at close to 2000 miles an hour, somehow couldn't catch up with airliners that fly at one quarter the speed.

The official fairy tale talks of war games, communications mix-up between the FAA and NORAD, fighters out of position in training exercises, etc. No matter how you slice it, it's still baloney.

While planes were flying into the WTC towers, F-15s from Otis Air Force Base were sent off Long Island and ordered to remain in a holding pattern. Why weren't they ordered to protect New York?

For the hour that the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon was under the control of hijackers, military officials in a command center on the east side of the building were urgently talking to law enforcement and air traffic control officials about what to do. In the end, they did nothing. Why? If we can't protect the Pentagon from attack, no place in the country is safe.

You Canna' Change the Laws of Physics!

We are told that both the North and South World Trade Center towers collapsed because of the plane impacts and fires. The "pancake" theory explains this -- i.e., each floor fell on the one below until the building is totally destroyed.

The trouble with this, it's physically impossible. The burning kerosene from the plane's fuel tanks does not create a hot enough fire to melt the steel skeletons of a modern skyscraper. No skyscraper in the world has ever collapsed from a fire, not even buildings that burned for days.

You can get tangled up in conflicting expert opinion. But the opinions that allow for this kind of collapse are so tortured that they defy reason, logic, and common sense.

And even then, they are defeated by the simple fact that all three buildings -- the two hit by planes and the one that wasn't -- fell at near freefall speed, impossible for a pancaking building. Each floor would be slowed as it hit the one below, appreciably lengthening the building collapse.

Then you have the minor but vexing problem, of course, that each building fell so perfectly within its own footprint.

The only way the buildings could have fallen the way they did was through controlled demolition. In short, they were blown up.

Who Did It?

The fact that it was an inside job is evident. There was enormous expertise involved.

Beyond that, is impossible to know. We don't have the facts to point to anybody. And we'll never have those facts, if there is not a real serious investigation. That yet isn't in the cards. While there is a great deal of skepticism about the official story, the corporate media flatly refuses to examine it. And that isn't likely to change soon.

But, as Fox Mulder said, the truth is out there. We have to look for it.

Read some books about 9/11. The corporate media refuses to review books that challenge the official line, but you can find them in bookstores. Try Towers of Deception; The Media Cover up of 9/11 by Barrie Zwicker.

There are a dozen major websites that are seeking the truth about 9/11. Look at them, study the evidence, and demand that your congressman and senators do something. They won't, of course, but we have to start somewhere.

Unless, of course, you prefer living in the Land of Oz.

85888  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 04:51:29 PM
Hi Vince Grin

On a serious note 240 ISN'T VINCE G Roll Eyes

Hi 240
85889  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 04:50:31 PM
85890  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 04:49:31 PM
How exactly would this proof be shown?That your ips dont match?Please.....

Hey man, you could get us both on a webcam, on the phone, you name it.  You could fly us both out to your hometown of Locash, CA and let us run train your sister for all I care. 
85891  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 04:45:09 PM
No its just extremely obvious, why the anger?Sad that your little game is ending?Melt.down

I'm not sure a meltdown would involve my challenging you to put money on it.

I do feel that a self-owning would include running from a perfectly good chance to take my money.
85892  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 04:42:17 PM
Your Proxies dont fool me.

seeing as you cannot see IPs, i don't know how any proxy would be able to fool you.

Are you making this up as you go, or is there some kind of retart [sic] script you follow?
85893  Getbig Bodybuilding Boards / Industry Business Technology Board / Re: 240 is Vince G, wake up people on: August 30, 2006, 04:36:41 PM
He's even mistakenly posted as 240 from the vince G account and vice versa, and ive ponted it out and noone has noticed, good gimmick account though, ill give him that.

sorry boss.  I'd be happy to make a wager with you on this one if you feel like it. 

You'd be smarter putting your $ on a top 6 kamali finish at the O.
85894  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / porkbusters help identify Senator who tried to remain secret on: August 30, 2006, 04:34:58 PM
I posted on this last night- the bloggers called all 100 senators and checked them off their list, one by one, until they could unravel who the senator was who refused to come forward about SECRETLY FREEZING a bill that would prevent the passage of a bill that puts ALL FEDERAL SPENDING on one website- monster accountability.   The people were bright, and it worked. He chose to reveal himself this AM, when the porkbusters list was down to 7 of 100 senators remaining.  Suddenly his refusal to talk to anyone about it for 2 weeks changed awfully fast Smiley

Sen. Stevens is 'the secret senator'


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The identity of the blogosphere's "secret senator" has been revealed.

CNN has confirmed that Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, has placed a hold on a bill that would require the government to publish online a database of federal spending.

"He does have a hold on the bill," Stevens' spokesperson Aaron Saunders told CNN. "At the time he placed the hold he notified Sen. [Tom] Coburn and his staff and identified several questions we had with the bill. Two weeks ago Sen. Coburn named Stevens as having a hold on the bill, so we don't consider it a secret."

Senate tradition allows any senator to keep a piece of legislation from reaching the Senate floor by placing a hold on the bill.

Coburn's office confirmed that Coburn had revealed Stevens' hold during a town hall meeting in Oklahoma two weeks ago.

The bill has become a cause célèbre for both liberal and conservative bloggers as they tried to uncover the "secret senator" who had blocked passage of the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act (S. 2590). The bill was introduced earlier this year by Sens. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, and Coburn, R-Oklahoma.

The conservative-leaning, anti-government waste site Porkbusters urged readers to call their senators and ask them to go on the record denying that they placed the hold. TPMmuckraker, under the banner "blogosphere unites in pursuit of masked senator" also got in on the act, posting updates from readers around the country.

The effort prompted Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist to weigh in online: Blogging at his political action committee Web site, Sen. Frist, R-Tennessee, called on "all members, when asked by the blog community, to instruct their staff to answer whether or not they have a hold."

Saunders said Stevens did not attempt to keep his hold anonymous.

"Sen. Stevens has a series of concerns and questions about the bill. He wants a cost benefit analysis to make sure it doesn't create an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy and not meet its purpose," Saunders said.

"He prefers to handle things at the member to member level or at the staff level," Saunders said. "That's the way Sen. Stevens has always operated."

"This wasn't in any way secretive," Saunders said. "We're baffled as to why it's been called a secret hold."

But a spokesperson for Coburn's office disputed the idea that Stevens had been open about the hold.

"This hold was a secret," Coburn spokesman John Hart said. "His office has ignored media and bloggers' calls about this issue for weeks. We had to ask Stevens if he was the hold. His staff has still not met with us."

"Senator Stevens sits on the committee where this bill was considered and never raised any objections because he skipped the hearings," Hart said. "His specific concerns were addressed at the hearings he skipped, and his office has yet to meet with us to discuss his concerns despite repeated requests."

Last year a proposed $223 million for a "bridge to nowhere" connecting Alaska's Gravina Island -- population 50 -- to the mainland caused a nationwide furor. The allocation was backed by Stevens and fellow Republican Rep. Don Young of Alaska, the powerful chairman of the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure. The earmarked funding for the bridge was later rescinded by Congress. However, Alaska's overall allocation of federal transportation funds was not decreased, and the state is free to spend the federal dollars to build the bridge if it wishes.

When Coburn tried to block funds for the bridge, he was heavily denounced by Stevens on the Senate floor.
85895  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: Do Stage 3 Palumboism victims ever improve anywhere? on: August 30, 2006, 04:27:20 PM
Its funny how you poke fun of idiots like kamali and palumbo, but then you sponsor a Greg Valentio appearance..

Shawn, can you comment on this?
85896  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: president of iran on: August 30, 2006, 04:23:38 PM
I support Israel's right to cook iran with as many bombs as they wish.  That is between them.  If iran was giving rockets to Canada to fire into the US, I'd be pro-war here.

But Iran hasn't done anything to us.  So we shoudn't send our men to die in Iran for Israel's beef with them.  The Israeli armed forces are evry good, and they can destroy iran quickly should they choose to do so.  They don't need us, and with 2 ongoing wars already, I cannot see putting our resources in a 3rd basket.  We can argue that Afghan had bin laden and iraq had WMD - even if some do not believe those claims. 

But arguing that we should send men to die in Iran because iran helped leb terrorists is just insane.  Israel can destroy Tehran tomorrow if they choose to, and it is A-Ok with me.  But to send our boys over there to die is not a good idea.
85897  Getbig Main Boards / Gossip & Opinions / Re: King Kamali: The Final Goodbye! on: August 30, 2006, 04:03:27 PM
In the same issue, Kamali mentioned in his column how he was going to "shock the BB world at the Europa"...

He missed his peak by four years.

It could happen to anyone who abuses chemicals on that level.
85898  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Poll on these conspiracy theories. on: August 30, 2006, 03:22:38 PM
Whatever, believe what you want to believe.  I'm done with this topic.  In fact, it should get its own board.

When NBC puts it on the news - will you believe it then?
85899  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Major White House PR campaign announced on: August 30, 2006, 01:12:58 PM
I wouldn't be suprised.  But it might not be an attack of Bush's doing.  It may still be a  genuine attack.

Might be.

however, who would benefit most?  The leader of iran would not be stupid enough to attack.  He knows that Bush is about to lose his permission slip to war, and iran has everything to lose and nothing to gain by attacking us.

But Bush would benefit greatly.  He'd get another 2 year blank check on the war effort.
85900  Getbig Main Boards / General Topics / Re: Major White House PR campaign announced on: August 30, 2006, 01:11:39 PM
Now, which govt would you say is more fascist?

1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Iraq doesn't have a strong leader with great power - The US does.
Iraq isn't criticizing opposition - The US is.
Iraq doesn't regiment industry and commerce - The US sure is
Iraq has zero aggressive nationalism (they're in a civil war!) and their racist is more shiite/sunni.
The US, however, has pretty much ingrained it into our mind that all arabs are evil and that "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists!", which has to be the most nationalistic statement I've ever seen.
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