Author Topic: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....  (Read 4122 times)

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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2006, 02:48:05 AM »
Doesn't anyone care that they blatantly lied about promoting a fight between TA and DA just for attention? I think they are fucking liars and will never support them again >:(

Is this a surprize to you that they lied? Did you really think there would be a fight? I never really supported them in the first place.

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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2006, 03:47:04 AM »
if they say its 460 pages and it is 460 pages then where's the lie? thats right nowhere.
move on.
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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2006, 04:03:49 AM »
More ads put more money in the hands of bodybuilding contests which goes directly to bodybuilders and gives us more editorial content.  Ads support the magazines more than subscription sales.  To be honest, I don't personally mind them.  Just my opinion, and I know I will be in the minority here.

Wrong.Not to mention that the % of ads compared to content (which is already lame) keeps getting even worse.

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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2006, 04:23:51 AM »
Where is the MD response to this thread!

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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2006, 04:24:26 AM »
Where is the MD response to this thread!

Like they give a fuck

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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2006, 04:28:30 AM »
response to what? what was the question?
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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2006, 05:13:25 PM »
if they say its 460 pages and it is 460 pages then where's the lie?

it's not that he lied.  it's that he thinks 460 pages is something to be proud of.   I'd be much more likely to buy a mag of 120 pages of quality content than 460 pages of filler.

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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2006, 05:20:17 PM »
it's not that he lied.  it's that he thinks 460 pages is something to be proud of.   I'd be much more likely to buy a mag of 120 pages of quality content than 460 pages of filler.

i'd be willing to bet that magazine would cost a lot more, though.

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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2006, 06:25:37 PM »
i'd be willing to bet that magazine would cost a lot more, though.

Time, Newsweek, etc., are able to publish a magazine weekly without 200 pages of ads.  And they pay their reporters much more than do bodybuilding mags.

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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2006, 06:27:09 PM »
More ads put more money in the hands of bodybuilding contests which goes directly to bodybuilders and gives us more editorial content.  Ads support the magazines more than subscription sales.  To be honest, I don't personally mind them.  Just my opinion, and I know I will be in the minority here.

"More ads put more money in the hands of bodybuilding contests which goes directly to bodybuilders"

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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2006, 06:28:32 PM »
Does that count the "articles" that are just ads in disguise?
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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2006, 06:45:43 PM »
it's not that he lied.  it's that he thinks 460 pages is something to be proud of.   I'd be much more likely to buy a mag of 120 pages of quality content than 460 pages of filler.

Right.


Quality counts.


So let's say 200+ pages are content, every month we get:


Dexter telling me he's an athlete, and how Met-Rx is the only supp. he's ever used.....

Gustavo Badell, telling me he's "hun-gree" and "nachu-ral".

Dave Henry telling me he's the worlds tallest midget....

Flex wheeler's delusional "battle" recaps....

Valentino's pointless rants.......piggy this, credit card that....

Hany Rimbod's love affair with his black "athletes".

Dave Palumbo's convict picture collection....

John Romano telling me he's got the greatest boss, and no, he's not gay. Really, he's not. He just plays one in real life.....

Chris Cormier's latest baby-mama-drama.....

Ron Harris' 12 month review spectacular, of Ronnie's video.......

Flex's interviews, where he always has to bring himself into the conversation........



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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2006, 06:57:55 PM »
I'd rather drop some lime juice in my eyes, than read that shit.


I love the one where Doherty repeats every FUCKING THING Ronnie says, and then Ron Harris has to add his own fucking three cents......


It's like a bad three stooges episode that never ends.......
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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2006, 07:16:20 PM »
More ads put more money in the hands of bodybuilding contests which goes directly to bodybuilding promoters

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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2006, 07:20:50 PM »
Economics is my strong suit, so if you want to discuss this, I will be up for that.  I know more about economics than I do in any of my university accredations.

What does this have to do with your math degrees? This has to do with very little to none of the money being made filtering back down to the bodybuilders.
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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2006, 07:26:32 PM »
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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2006, 11:46:49 PM »
how many adds was it can't see anything

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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2006, 12:07:05 AM »
Economics is my strong suit, so if you want to discuss this, I will be up for that.  I know more about economics than I do in any of my university accredations.

break it down for us.

For the sake of argument, I contend that the owners of a muscle magazine see writing and photog staff (whether it be bodybuilders, experts, or schmoes) to be a FIXED cost.  That is, it will cost $200k per year, let's say.

Printing is a fixed cost for the typical fixed run, let's say 100,000 issues for simplicity's sake.  yes, variable kicks in with each add'l issue, but let's keep it simple. 

Their variable costs would be advertising their mag (they will buy more or less based upon analysis of needs, ability, and opportunities).

Now, if our mag sells 100 pages of ads, pays all its operating costs, it ends up with 100k profits.  If it sells 200 pages of ads, spends a little more on printing, but ends up with $185k in profits.

What motivation does our magazine, a nice tidy little short-term moneymaker for the owner (since the internet, politics and competitors are nipping at its ankles)... what motivation does the owner have to pay more to writers?  he has a nice staff (10 IFBB pros, let's say) and hiring 20 would be overkill. 

How does "plus some of the money does eventually go to the pros."?

most of mag printing is fixed cost, with limited variables.  I contend that using 100 pages of ads, or 200 pages, the athletes wouldn't necessarily see an extra penny. Thoughts?

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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2007, 11:42:45 AM »
LOL!!!

In short, bodybuilding is the same as any other free market activity.  It seems like some on here think it is a socialist commune or something.  Bodybuilders will get exactly what their market value entitles them to get, and with more money in bodybuilder, whether in the magazines or any other segment of the industry, more money will eventually trickle down to the bodybuilders should their market value entitle them to it.

In short, bodybuilders don't have much market value
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Say what? These are "pro athletes". They should be on the Wheaties Box, selling me Cialis, or Batteries..........





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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #44 on: January 01, 2007, 11:50:43 AM »
Kaged Muscle the new mag by Chris Gethin is worth buying and reading.

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Re: OK!!!! I counted Decembers Muscle Development ads....
« Reply #45 on: January 01, 2007, 11:57:48 AM »
Bodybuilding is commerce at the magazine level. It's politics at the competition level.  & it's training & fandom at the individual level.  Very few people make a career from bodybuilding competition. They make careers on the fringes of it, doing personal training or gym managing, appearing in expo booths, or on the underside--hustling or pushing.  

The broadcast media, & the print media, have been completely taken over by companies advertising their products. It's hard to tell the difference between ads & magazine copy, from TIME to MD. In MD, you see product placement in clothes being worn (the "House of Pain" clothes on featured BBs).  The primary purpose of these magazines is to sell us stuff.  That's what keeps the magazine in business.  Whatever else they do is a sideline.  It's true of ALL widely distributed mags in or out of the BB field, not just MD.