Ronnie, Jay, Dorian at their peaks

[pumpster]

jay belongs in a warehouse

Along with the bricklayer.

[slaveboy1980]

Along with the bricklayer.

dorian is better than gutler...

gutler has no vascularity...and has brought nothing new to the table...

[pumpster]

dorian is better than gutler...

gutler has no vascularity...and has brought nothing new to the table...

Definitely better.

[Hulkster]

its not a tie, what is everyone looking at. dorians quads have no seperation, and his arms blow. he had a wider waist then ronnie and less taper. hi delts are not a striated nor detailed as ronnies. Even on back i beleive ronnie wins, but it could honestly go either way on the two main poses.Hams and glutes ronnie clearly wins, its not even up for debate. so dorians dryness, makes up for lack of detail, seperation and proportion,taper and asthetics? ronnie also has rounder muscle bellies and in all a much more pleasing physique at his prime.

fantastic post!

[IceCold]

at least dorian went to a gym.

that's more than anyone can say about you pumpster.

go back to your bowflex

and stop banning people from the training forum who call you out about training advice while you are in your parents basement on your bowflex. 

[IceCold]

Come on mon. There is no way on earth. Ronnie just has Dorian outgunned in the genetics department. He is much more aesthetic than Dorian.

what you said is true.

however, that didnt help ronnie with his genetic and asethetics when he faced dorian for 7 years and the closest he got to him was at the 96 Olympia, where dorian got another perfect score and ronnie got 6th place. 

[suckmymuscle]

Along with the bricklayer.

  Said the expert...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

bodybuilding judging is subjective not objective.

Narc D, bodybuilding expert, how are you gonna say a man with a cow belly, wide hips, small arms (torn biceps), and little quad sweep has better symmetry than a man with small hips, a tight waist, huge arms with beautiful biceps peaks, wide shoulders, and crazy quad sweep? Come on mon. There is no way on earth. Ronnie just has Dorian outgunned in the genetics department. He is much more aesthetic than Dorian.

The Arnold vs. Sergio topic is much more debatable than Ronnie vs. Dorian.

Dorian at his best smokes Ronnie in the balance & proportion department , he smokes Ronnie in hardness & dryness , he smokes Ronnie in density , and spare me the aesthetics claim if you were talking about Flex maybe that would mean something and ironically enough Flex couldn't touch Yates despite his outstanding shape & aesthetics , neither could anyone else

[Bast000]

i think we should have a debate on who is better, Ronnie or Dorian.

[Hulkster]

LOL dredlock owns ND yet again.

and ND keeps right on babbling stuff about balance and proportion that only he believes...

dredlock summed it up beautifully:

how are you gonna say a man with a cow belly, wide hips, small arms (torn biceps), and little quad sweep has better symmetry than a man with small hips, a tight waist, huge arms with beautiful biceps peaks, wide shoulders, and crazy quad sweep? Come on mon. There is no way on earth. Ronnie just has Dorian outgunned in the genetics department. He is much more aesthetic than Dorian.

well said.

and very obvious:

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL dredlock owns ND yet again.

and ND keeps right on babbling stuff about balance and proportion that only he believes...

dredlock summed it up beautifully:

how are you gonna say a man with a cow belly, wide hips, small arms (torn biceps), and little quad sweep has better symmetry than a man with small hips, a tight waist, huge arms with beautiful biceps peaks, wide shoulders, and crazy quad sweep? Come on mon. There is no way on earth. Ronnie just has Dorian outgunned in the genetics department. He is much more aesthetic than Dorian.

well said.

and very obvious:

You live in this fantasy world where the rules don't apply but there are rules in physique contests and they favor Yates

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

Dorian depending on the year has the edge in muscular bulk

1998 Ronnie 249 pounds - Dorian 260 pounds
1999 Ronnie 257 pounds - Dorian 260 pounds ( and one inch shorter )
2001 Ronnie 244 pounds - Dorian 260 pounds
2003 Ronnie 287 pounds - Dorian 260 pounds ( edge to Ronnie )

Balanced development - Dorian period , end of sentence NO debate

Muscular Density - Yates

Definition which is conditioning - Yates , Ronnie may have come close in 98/01 but he was smaller than a 260 pound Yates

There are rules and they favor Dorian

[The_Hammer]

Dorin being 5'10 is BS BTW.

[americanbulldog]

At their peaks, Ronnie hands down. 

Between Yates and Cutler, it is the Shadow, hands down.  (Not the Kal Penn shadow, btw)

[Dredlock Rasta]

LOL dredlock owns ND yet again.

and ND keeps right on babbling stuff about balance and proportion that only he believes...

dredlock summed it up beautifully:

how are you gonna say a man with a cow belly, wide hips, small arms (torn biceps), and little quad sweep has better symmetry than a man with small hips, a tight waist, huge arms with beautiful biceps peaks, wide shoulders, and crazy quad sweep? Come on mon. There is no way on earth. Ronnie just has Dorian outgunned in the genetics department. He is much more aesthetic than Dorian.


thanks mon

well said.

and very obvious:

[Royalty]

In Jays defense here....he is like 10 years younger than Ronnie. Jay at 33 vs Ronnie at 33 isnt even a contest. Jay would blast him. Ronnie at 33 competed at ~250lbs....Jay at 33 competes at 274lbs....and is considerably shorter. Ronnie didnt have cut hams and glutes before 1998 (age 35). So Jays got a lot of improvement to look foward to.

[Iceman1981]

Along with the bricklayer.

Look at his left bicep or lack of it. And this is a guy who won four Mr. O after the tear? Give me a break.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Look at his left bicep or lack of it. And this is a guy who won four Mr. O after the tear? Give me a break.

yawn another baseless claim these two pics are 93/94 respectively Dorian's biceps post-tear is maybe 1/2 shorter if you're lucky and thats just shorter from the bicep to the forearm NOT around his biceps post tear were virtually the same with the exception of one being a tad shorter than the other , you guys with this missing arm nonsense

[wannabebig5]

yoru just kidding right, that 2nd pic looks like it a 15'' arm suffering from palumboism!  that pic is sad.  id take jays right are over that poop any day!

[Hulkster]

Isn't it great how everyone is rightfully putting dorian well below Ronnie?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Isn't it great how everyone is rightfully putting dorian well below Ronnie?

Well most people are like you , ignorant and base their opinions on personal preference , there is criteria and it favors Yates reguardless of what you think looks better 

[Hulkster]

Well most people are like you , ignorant and base their opinions on personal preference , there is criteria and it favors Yates reguardless of what you think looks better 

no, most people know what the judges look for:

shape, detail, vascularity, taper etc etc.

its more than just mass:

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, most people know what the judges look for:

shape, detail, vascularity, taper etc etc.

its more than just mass:

You will never be able to counter this 

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

[Hulkster]

You will never be able to counter this 

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

yes, and we have 850 pages showing how dorian looked good up close and alone, but lost most of his flare when standing next to monsters, like.... Lee Labrada..



 

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes, and we have 850 pages showing how dorian looked good up close and alone, but lost most of his flare when standing next to monsters, like.... Lee Labrada..



 

Yawn the judges made their decision based on the criteria and Yates was above & beyond the clear winner , learn the criteria kid , its your friend , well not its not lol it actually works against your argument lol