Top 3 supplements on the market?

[Alpine]

Some sort of Zinc + Magnesium + Vitamin B6 combination works well

Get outa here with that 1980's ZMA junk science. You will get enough zinc & magnesium with a good (even mediocre) diet and vitamins. Only a deficiency could create an issue.

Sweet jesus you guys are killin me here.

File this one in the [ DEBUNKED ] cabinet.

[delta9mda]

arginine akg is useless(99% of all no products). try the vpx no shotgun- this is the real deal.
not a caffeine drink like no-xplode

[Alpine]

arginine akg is useless(99% of all no products). try the vpx no shotgun- this is the real deal.
not a caffeine drink like no-xplode

dont get carried away there bud, can no one read the ingredients? ignore the fancy naming techniques

its just creatine, aminos (valine, leucine), Citrulline Malate, tyrosine, and CAFFEINE. CUTTING EDGE lol - these are all fine, im a fan of all of these. Im not paying a huge premium for them though. Buy BULK and get dosages that actually matter.

product has some useless arginine in it too (why exclude yourself from the craze). VPX knows better, but they also know the people buying dont. The whole "NO, arginine" thing has become a selling point for all you WWE watching, hungry man eating meat heads.

Hint: dont get your supplement advice form the people selling it (i.e. the industry)

EPIC TRUTH OF UNPARALLELED PROPORTIONS!!

[D.L. 5]

alpine.

so out of these supps im taking tell me which are not needed (by the sounds of things it looks like pretty much all of them, anyway here is the list):

l-carnitine, no-xplode, cellmass, bcaa's, fish oil, multi-vitamins/minerals, protien powders....(and sometimes hyrdoxy hardcore when im really out of shape and doing heaps of cardio).

ok let me know.

[MCWAY]

alpine.

so out of these supps im taking tell me which are not needed (by the sounds of things it looks like pretty much all of them, anyway here is the list):

l-carnitine, no-xplode, cellmass, bcaa's, fish oil, multi-vitamins/minerals, protien powders....(and sometimes hyrdoxy hardcore when im really out of shape and doing heaps of cardio).

ok let me know.

The only person, who can determine which supplements you need, is....YOU!!! Not Alpine, Blockhead, me, or anyone else.

If a particular supplement is helping you reach your goals and you can consistently afford to use it, why on Earth would you stop using it? Because some folks on message board won't think you're "hardcore"? Because they think that a certain company's supplements (or supplements, in general) are useless?

How ridiculous is that!!

For instance, if you're way out of shape, you'll be on that accursed treadmill/bike for a long time, in your quest to whittle off that adipose tissue. Now, if you know you can get in shape faster by using a fat-burning supplement (i.e. Hydroxycut Hardcore), IN ADDITION TO your diet and training regime than you would by simply dieting and training....USE THE FAT BURNER!!!!

Same goes for the nutrition part. If you need extra calories, and you don't have to time to eat them all, drink some of them via protein powders (or MRPs).

At the end of the day, you have the final say. Shop around for good supplements. Hit the mom-and-pop stores, the online shops, and the commercial ones (GNC, Vitamin Shoppe, etc). Look for the best deals. And try out some items. If they work, keep using them; if they don't, DROP THEM and try something else.

[G o a t b o y]

The only person, who can determine whether or not you should be taking Strychnine is....YOU!!! Not Alpine, Blockhead, me, or anyone else.

If Strychnine is helping you reach your goals and you can consistently afford to use it, why on Earth would you stop using it? Because some folks on message board won't think you're "hardcore"? Because they and pretty much all of science think that a certain chemical (or rat poisons in general) is poisonous?

How ridiculous is that!!

For instance, if you're way out of shape, you'll be on that accursed treadmill/bike for a long time, in your quest to whittle off that adipose tissue. Now, if you foolishly believe you can get in shape faster by swallowing rat poison, (i.e. Strychnine), IN ADDITION TO your diet and training regime than you would by simply dieting and training....USE the Strychnine!!!!

Same goes for the nutrition part. If you need extra calories, and you don't have to time to eat them all, drink some of them via rat poison.

At the end of the day, you have the final say. Shop around for good poisons. Hit the mom-and-pop stores, the online shops, and the commercial ones (GNC, Vitamin Shoppe, etc). Look for the best deals. And try out some items, even if you have no idea what's in them or if they work or not. If they work, keep using them; if they don't, DROP THEM and try something else.

What does science know anyway?

 

[HalloweenMan]

alpine.

so out of these supps im taking tell me which are not needed (by the sounds of things it looks like pretty much all of them, anyway here is the list):

l-carnitine, no-xplode, cellmass, bcaa's, fish oil, multi-vitamins/minerals, protien powders....(and sometimes hyrdoxy hardcore when im really out of shape and doing heaps of cardio).

ok let me know.

how often are you "really out of shape"?   

[Alpine]

"What does science know anyway?"   lol good stuff MCWAY! I'm glad Goatboy caught it before your edit.
You're correct, what does science know? Nothin! I feel it workin! PLACEBO'D !

You sound like a religious man too. I bet you're a good Christian bodybuilder. Praise Jesus! Give me the strength for this last rep!


Pay no attention to me...
Keep buying you slack-jawed dolts! Ignorance drives the industry! 

There are a very small number of good companies selling products that they KNOW work. Their ingredients are based on sound science and previous research. These are the companies I support. Still, they have to survive. I don't criticize them for selling certain products (such as NO). I also praise the innovators, the truly novel ideas.  A few that come to mind: ErgoPharm, Avant, USPLabs (cissus is neat)...

[4thAD]

Vasapro ephedrine! for cheaper than $25.00 for 48ct.

[Tomanater]

alpine.

so out of these supps im taking tell me which are not needed (by the sounds of things it looks like pretty much all of them, anyway here is the list):

l-carnitine, no-xplode, cellmass, bcaa's, fish oil, multi-vitamins/minerals, protien powders....(and sometimes hyrdoxy hardcore when im really out of shape and doing heaps of cardio).

ok let me know.

I would say that every one on your list is a usefull supplement....have you tried the VPX No shotgun..that shit is insane..

[~salmon~]

Yea. I hardly use supps but know what? Sell BEVERLY INTERNATIONAL stuff.

 Go for fkn quality instead of MARKETING. People at the end of the day respect that. Check out Pride Nutrition.

 www.pridenutrition.com

 Educate everyone who walks in your door...tell them you can go with companies like MT and BSN because youknow it will sell like hotcakesbecause of the slick marketing they do HOWEVER...you arent about that. You're about getting the BEST and most effective supplements to your customers...not over-hyped and cleverly marketed commercial type products.



 

Beverly has managed to create a brand equity arround quality without the glitzy marketing.  BUT, they are no better than any of the other top brands.  Please prove me wrong...

[MCWAY]

"What does science know anyway?"   lol good stuff MCWAY! I'm glad Goatboy caught it before your edit.
You're correct, what does science know? Nothin! I feel it workin! PLACEBO'D !

You sound like a religious man too. I bet you're a good Christian bodybuilder. Praise Jesus! Give me the strength for this last rep!


Pay no attention to me...
Keep buying you slack-jawed dolts! Ignorance drives the industry! 

First of all, I didn't use the "what does science know anyway?" quote. That's was Goatboy's blurb!

Secondly, I stand by what I DID say. D.L. has to find for himself what supplements work best for him and what's in his budget. In other words, he would have to use the old empirical science knows as "trial and error".

If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy or "hardcore" that you don't use certain supplements (or don't use them at all), cookie for you.

[Alpine]

It has nothing to do with being hardcore.

It's about not being a moron, educating yourself, and holding the industry to a higher standard.

[MCWAY]

It has nothing to do with being hardcore.

It's about not being a moron, educating yourself, and holding the industry to a higher standard.

"Not being a moron" i.e. using supplements that one personally has found to be effective, whether someone else like those supplements (and the companies that make them) or not.

And what are you going to do if, say, MuscleTech doesn't live up to your standard? Hold your breath until you turn blue? Have a temper tantrum?

[Alpine]

"Not being a moron" i.e. using supplements that one personally has found to be effective, whether someone else like those supplements (and the companies that make them) or not.

And what are you going to do if, say, MuscleTech doesn't live up to your standard? Hold your breath until you turn blue? Have a temper tantrum?

How fucking retarded are you?

You cant base supplement use on "what someone has said about it". Just because someone "likes" liquid creatine serum doesn't mean its a valid option.  I see logs and reviews and rants and raves about shit that is absolutely bunk all the time. The placebo effect is a strong thing. Half the people arent even educated enough to decipher real effects from perceived ones. With every supplement that has fallen to the wayside because it was proven 100%  worthless there were an army of followers and believers.

You have to base supplement use on science & research, previous studies, and in cases where there is none, a few key industry insiders or chemists who are willing to tell the truth. New things are interesting, I must admit its fun to try novel and unique compounds that have some promise. I just criticize the overpriced "formulations" that contain nothing more than simple ingredients that can be bought for pennies...Half of which dont even work. BSN NO Xplode comes to mind.

Now stop replying, you're clearly a dunce. Let this thread RIP. Some customers might read it.

[MCWAY]

How fucking retarded are you?

You cant base supplement use on "what someone has said about it". Just because someone "likes" liquid creatine serum doesn't mean its a valid option.  I see logs and reviews and rants and raves about shit that is absolutely bunk all the time. The placebo effect is a strong thing. Half the people arent even educated enough to decipher real effects from perceived ones. With every supplement that has fallen to the wayside becuase it was proven 100%  worthless there were an army of fallowers and believers.

You have to base supplement use on science & research, previous studies, and in cases where there is none, a few key industry insiders who are willing to tell the truth. New things are interesting, I must admit its fun to try novel and unique compounds that have some promise. I just criticize the overpriced "formulations" that contain nothing more than simple ingredients that can be bought for pennies. BSN NO Xplode comes to mind.

Now stop replying, you're clearly a dunce. Let this thread RIP. Some customers might read it.

It appears that we now have another guinea pig for "BRAIN-TECH", namely you.

For every study you find that say a certain supplement works, you'll likely find another one that says it does not.

Plus, you're talking out BOTH sides of your mouth, as you're recommending that other people use (or not use) certain supplements, based on what YOU'RE saying about them.

Let's say someone tries one of the precious supplements about which you've been singing the praises and find that it doesn't work that well for him. Let me guess!! You're going to beat him upside the head with a scientific journal, yelling and screaming, "But, but, but Dr. Quackenshmitt say this stuff works; so you keep using it!!!!"

And, lost in all your pointless blubbering, is the simple fact that, at no point, did I disagree with you, regarding the scientific research of a particular item.

What I said (and what'd you'd likely understand, if your comprehension switch were in the "on" position) was that, even if someone did look up the studies, at the end of the day, he STILL has to try it for himself to see how effective it is for him. And if it is, he should keep using it, whether somebody else like that supplement or not.

[D.L. 5]

how often are you "really out of shape"?   

i took a couple years break from bodybuilding...so my bodyfat got high from not being so active, drinking alcohol three times per week, and not eating very clean.

back in the day when i trained heavy for two years str8 i had some bad eating habits and i would yo-yo diet...i would get ripped, but do it so drastically, that i would get sick of dieting, eat junk and then gain fat (thats when i would use a thermogenic to help), and then get ripped again. so over two years i would be 'out of shape' or higher bodyfat two or three times out of the 24 months.

now i dont do that crap anymore....i have a stable diet and i never drink!