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Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« on: February 14, 2007, 09:54:19 AM »
If you look at the trend in the news lately it seems the ground work for the justification of a pre-emptive attack on Iran is being laid down.

This remeinds me of the trend in news leading up to the Iraq invasion.  We are like 1 year out.

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 10:14:04 AM »
Bush sort of made a case for it today.  I watched portions of his speech this morning.  He said he's going to do something about the fact that Iran is providing weapons that are killing our troops.  Makes sense to me, as long as we're in Iraq. 

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2007, 10:15:10 AM »
Bush sort of made a case for it today.  I watched portions of his speech this morning.  He said he's going to do something about the fact that Iran is providing weapons that are killing our troops.  Makes sense to me, as long as we're in Iraq. 

I agree we should do something, so long as it's not starting another war.

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2007, 10:25:47 AM »
I agree we should do something, so long as it's not starting another war.

I don't think we need a war.  I'm not sure what he's going to do.  I don't think he is sure at this point.  But something has to be done.  One of the things that has bothered me since this war started is our inability to cut off the weapons supplies to insurgents.  We're now starting to figure out why that has been so difficult. 

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 10:51:49 AM »
Bush is trying to build a case to start a war with Iran, to have that option later on.

I don't think he ever will though. There is no way he can get the go-ahead from the Saudi's, and unlike the last time, the Bush Administration is fairly alone in all of this.

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2007, 10:58:03 AM »
Bush is trying to build a case to start a war with Iran, to have that option later on.

I don't think he ever will though. There is no way he can get the go-ahead from the Saudi's, and unlike the last time, the Bush Administration is fairly alone in all of this.

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He's not necessarily alone.  We still have a multi-nation force in Iraq.  We'll have to see how much support other countries provide when it comes to stopping the flow of weapons into Iraq. 

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2007, 11:29:55 AM »
We'll have to see how much support other countries provide when it comes to stopping the flow of weapons into Iraq. 

I doubt they really care.

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2007, 11:37:02 AM »
I doubt they really care.

Sure they do.  We're not the only country taking casualties.  The issue is what they plan to do about it. 

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2007, 01:52:23 PM »
remember - the 2nd of january, a russian parliamentary official came out and said march 28 would be the date we strike them.   this third carrier, and 6 weeks of PR buildup should be enough, eh? 

yes, we had the same buildup before iraq.  And we even had this same buildup before 9/11 - and the major media outlets even had tha audacity to remove their newspaper archieves for the month BEFORE 9/11 because it was f'king obvious they were prepping the american mindset.

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2007, 01:53:25 PM »
Bush sort of made a case for it today.  I watched portions of his speech this morning.  He said he's going to do something about the fact that Iran is providing weapons that are killing our troops.  Makes sense to me, as long as we're in Iraq. 

When you say "Iran" is providing weapons - do you mean they happen to be Iranian made?  Or they are coming directly from the iranian govt?

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2007, 02:34:19 PM »
They have a new weapon, it will kill anything in Iran that walks on 2 feet leaves the infrastructure and the oil intact.

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2007, 04:13:23 PM »
When you say "Iran" is providing weapons - do you mean they happen to be Iranian made?  Or they are coming directly from the iranian govt?

As the prez said today, they are coming from an organization that is part of the Iranian government. 

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2007, 05:48:04 PM »
When you say "Iran" is providing weapons - do you mean they happen to be Iranian made?  Or they are coming directly from the iranian govt?

Iran's Interference in Iraq Still Not Cause for War

In his first press conference since Dec. 20, Bush rejected charges that the United States is trying to implicate Iran's government in contributing to the violence.

"The idea that somehow we're manufacturing the idea that the Iranians are providing IEDs is preposterous," Bush said of claims, including by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, that the United States fabricates evidence to justify war.

On Sunday, unnamed U.S. military officials displayed ample evidence that armor-tearing explosive devices found in Iraq had originated in Iran. Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Peter Pace on Monday said that while the materials were definitely Iranian-made, he could not confirm that they had arrived in Iraq on orders of the Iranian government.

"I do not know whether or not the Quds Force was ordered from the top echelons of government. But my point is: What's worse — them ordering it and it happening, or them not ordering it and it's happening?" Bush said, referring to Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard.

"Whether Ahmadinejad ordered the Quds Force to do this, I don't think we know. But we do know that they're there. And I intend to do something about it," he said, adding that the conclusion that the Iranians are involved is not being used as a pretext for war.


The president said he will continue to rely on U.N. efforts to deal with Iran as the world tries to convince the Islamic regime to disband its nuclear program. Bush said he wouldn't go to one-on-one talks until Iran makes a positive gesture, like North Korea, to suspend its program.

"If they want us at the table, we're more than willing to come, but there must be a verifiable suspension of this weapons program that is causing such grave concern," he said
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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2007, 05:54:26 PM »
Iran's Interference in Iraq Still Not Cause for War

In his first press conference since Dec. 20, Bush rejected charges that the United States is trying to implicate Iran's government in contributing to the violence.

"The idea that somehow we're manufacturing the idea that the Iranians are providing IEDs is preposterous," Bush said of claims, including by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, that the United States fabricates evidence to justify war.

On Sunday, unnamed U.S. military officials displayed ample evidence that armor-tearing explosive devices found in Iraq had originated in Iran. Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Peter Pace on Monday said that while the materials were definitely Iranian-made, he could not confirm that they had arrived in Iraq on orders of the Iranian government.

"I do not know whether or not the Quds Force was ordered from the top echelons of government. But my point is: What's worse — them ordering it and it happening, or them not ordering it and it's happening?" Bush said, referring to Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard.

"Whether Ahmadinejad ordered the Quds Force to do this, I don't think we know. But we do know that they're there. And I intend to do something about it," he said, adding that the conclusion that the Iranians are involved is not being used as a pretext for war.


The president said he will continue to rely on U.N. efforts to deal with Iran as the world tries to convince the Islamic regime to disband its nuclear program. Bush said he wouldn't go to one-on-one talks until Iran makes a positive gesture, like North Korea, to suspend its program.

"If they want us at the table, we're more than willing to come, but there must be a verifiable suspension of this weapons program that is causing such grave concern," he said


Thanks Mightymouse.  That's what I heard him say today. 

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2007, 05:54:44 PM »
I find it hard to believe that if there are as many Iranian made weapons floating around Iraq as they say there are, that the Iranian govt. itself wouldn't have a hand in it.

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2007, 05:54:57 PM »
When you say "Iran" is providing weapons - do you mean they happen to be Iranian made?  Or they are coming directly from the iranian govt?

wow this makes me think of the movie ''man of war? the one with nicolas cage"
are you delusional?

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2007, 05:57:05 PM »
I don't buy Iran supplying weapons to the insurgents for a second. If they're selling it to them, then it isn't anything different from when the US sold weapons to Saddam in the 80's.

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2007, 06:00:16 PM »
I don't buy Iran supplying weapons to the insurgents for a second. If they're selling it to them, then it isn't anything different from when the US sold weapons to Saddam in the 80's.

Iran has been supplying Hezbollah for years now, why would these Shiite militias been any different? Or are you going to deny that, too?

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2007, 06:07:15 PM »
Iran has been supplying Hezbollah for years now, why would these Shiite militias been any different? Or are you going to deny that, too?

How's about some proof before we start a third front? Don't think I like Iran and its loony president, but right now we need to resolve the Iraq issue because it isn't looking pretty.

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2007, 07:36:47 PM »
As the prez said today, they are coming from an organization that is part of the Iranian government. 

the head of the joint chiefs says that isn't necessarily so.

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2007, 07:52:06 PM »
the head of the joint chiefs says that isn't necessarily so.

Maybe so, but I'm certainly not taking your word for it. 

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2007, 07:55:44 PM »
Maybe so, but I'm certainly not taking your word for it. 

hahahaha, are you suggesting that 240 isn't the be-all end-all source of the happenings in our govt. and Iraq? And here I was thinking that he knew everything sitting at a computer in his trailer park.  ::)

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2007, 08:01:14 PM »
hahahaha, are you suggesting that 240 isn't the be-all end-all source of the happenings in our govt. and Iraq? And here I was thinking that he knew everything sitting at a computer in his trailer park.  ::)

Ding!   :)

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2007, 08:02:22 PM »
Maybe so, but I'm certainly not taking your word for it. 

gee whiz, if you had read the news yesterday, or today, you would have seen the story.

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Re: Conflict with Iran on the horizon
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2007, 11:00:51 AM »
hahahaha, are you suggesting that 240 isn't the be-all end-all source of the happenings in our govt. and Iraq? And here I was thinking that he knew everything sitting at a computer in his trailer park.  ::)


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