Wow! Melvin Anthony has shrunk!

[slaveboy1980]

Are there guys with good bodybuilding genetics (Wide shoulders, small waist, full muscle bellies, small joints) who don't respond well to gear?

If so, that would put a dagger in the "If there were no steroids, the same guys would be champs" argument.

thats what i been trying to say too....that the same guys wouldnt be the best guys if there wasnt steroids....
atleast not everyone...a few of them sure but far from everyone would be the best without the drugs!

because drugresponse is a genetic factor you have to take into account ...same way as structure etc..

some guys can hide their structural flaws with massive amounts of steroids induced mass ...and vice versa
etc...

without drugs i would say black guys would dominate bodybuilding even more!

[theworm]

Please Doctor tell me which University you got your Degree. You must be the most uneducated and ignorant MD ever. Did they teach you Shit and fag in Medical shcool. You are no MD. Your statments are idiotic. Steriods are a part of any sport. If you know anything you know that genetics and bone structure are much more fundamental than high hormonal levels. Mr MD, I challenge you anytime to a discussion on these subjects. Your qualifications are definitely bogus, since you have to mention the fact that you have a degree every time you try to make an argument.

I still really wanna know how "the syntense" of protein works.  anyway, bottom line:  ALL DRUGS.

Lets take a look at Jay Cutler, Branch, Art Atwood, Markus, etc... these people have horrible structures and horrible "bone structure."  the one thing they have is they respond great to steroids, and work really hard.  I honestly believe that someone like Adonis can reach pro potential is he took 10,000 grams of test a week and who knows what else.  The only pro that remains big off drugs is Ronnie.  thats about it.  All others look like the ave joe at the local gym.  Look at these retired pros (Flex, Kevin, etc), if I didn;t know them, I wouldn't even think these people worked out, less much, used pounds of steroids over the years.  natural is the way to go,,,,keep all your grains, and is much heathier.

[theworm]

Are there guys with good bodybuilding genetics (Wide shoulders, small waist, full muscle bellies, small joints) who don't respond well to gear?

If so, that would put a dagger in the "If there were no steroids, the same guys would be champs" argument.

Yes there is.  Mike Arillva, that Mexican dude on here.  He had an OK structure, but then he took roids, and he looks like he got SMALLER.

[slaveboy1980]

I still really wanna know how "the syntense" of protein works.  anyway, bottom like:  ALL DRUGS.

Lets take a look at Jay Cutler, Branch, Art Atwood, Markus, etc... these people have horrible structures and horrible "bone structure."  the one thing they have is they respond great to steroids, and work really hard.  I honestly believe that someone like Adonis can reach pro potential is he took 10,000 grams of test a week and who knows what else.  The only pro that remains big off drugs is Ronnie.  thats about it.  All others look like the ave joe at the local gym.  Look at these retired pros (Flex, Kevin, etc), if I didn;t know them, I wouldn't even think these people worked out, less much, used pounds of steroids over the years.  natural is the way to go,,,,keep all your grains, and is much heathier.

the guys you mention (cutler, atwood etc) are guys who have got to the top by packing on so much mass (thanks to good steroid response) that their structures have become secondary. without steroids these guys would be nowhere near the top.   in natural bodybuilding structure is even more imporant than in hormonized bodybuilding. (cuz you cant "hide" structural flaws with insane amounts of mass ...)

[BDG]

  I honestly believe that someone like Adonis can reach pro potential is he took 10,000 grams of test a week and who knows what else.

Jesus. Lets not take it that far...   He could get bigger, but he would have to learn how to properly train to get a balance and a flow to his physique lines.. Which he currently lacks. 

The only pro that remains big off drugs is Ronnie.  thats about it.

Not to kill your theory, but have you even seen or stood next to Quincy Taylor???   The man is monsterous.

[MassInMass]

I know Melvin is on these boards from time to time ( he was polite eneough to point out to me that he is 270 in the off-season )...Melvin, if your reading this, why don't you shed some light on this for us?

[210 and growing]

what it also means is that there are probably numerous f cuking mutants out there that would respond like a muthafcuka to gear, but just never ever try it in the first place as they naturally dont even think about bodybuilding in the 1st place as they dont think they are built right for it.

[theworm]

As a teen, I used to idolize these guys.  I read flex and thought these guys trained 4 hours a day and ate 10,000 "clean" calories every day and got this big with a 'little help' from steroids.  But now I see these pros shrink up when off and they look like they never lifted weights in their lives.  And in a matter of a FEW months!!!   

I don't expect them to be 'on' their whole lives, at least work out still and they maybe would keep some size....maybe.


does anyone ever remember the "undercover pro" from Muscle Media 2000 back in the early 90s???  He had a list of 20-30 drugs he was using and said he rarely worked out???

[Tamer Razor]

I still really wanna know how "the syntense" of protein works.  anyway, bottom line:  ALL DRUGS.

Lets take a look at Jay Cutler, Branch, Art Atwood, Markus, etc... these people have horrible structures and horrible "bone structure."  the one thing they have is they respond great to steroids, and work really hard.  I honestly believe that someone like Adonis can reach pro potential is he took 10,000 grams of test a week and who knows what else.  The only pro that remains big off drugs is Ronnie.  thats about it.  All others look like the ave joe at the local gym.  Look at these retired pros (Flex, Kevin, etc), if I didn;t know them, I wouldn't even think these people worked out, less much, used pounds of steroids over the years.  natural is the way to go,,,,keep all your grains, and is much heathier.

Dr theworm,

10,000grams of Test weekly as you have learned in medical school would exhaust your receptors acentuating only the side effects. If you had ever been to a show or competed yourself you would know the thousands of competitor all using anabolics on regional and national shows compete yearly. Just a had full of those make to the pro ranks. From those just a hand full became great pros. ALL of them are talking anabolics in large quantities just very few have sucess. (several genitic factors) If you know any any any thing about bodybuiding you would know the when out of dieting and training bodybuilders stop following their exetreme food regiment. Kevin was known to weight 220 offseanson and compete at 240 same with Gunter using  a lower caloric intake during the offseason. Please stop Dreaming and thinking that you could be bodybuider if you want to or a NFL player or a astronaut....sure...

[theworm]

evil angel,,,blah blah blah. 

what is your point?  These guys would be shit without drugs.  Evidence:  look at Gunter, Melvin, and Kevin a FEW MONTHS off drugs!!  Off drugs, they still have the SAME genetics!  so how do they shrink up in a few months?  I thought they had superior genetics?  Its that they use a boat load of drugs and have an excellent response to them. 

BTW some pros do use multiple grams of test a week, educate yourself on bodybiulding, son.  It is rumored that Dorian used a gram per week injected into each major muscle...  Some pros in MM2000 back in the 90's said they were using a vial of test a week.... 

[Tamer Razor]

We all dure respect,You are illuding yourself if you thing that anabolics make a PRO. Muscle is a luxury to the body. It is nothing more that a defense to stress provoke by training. We the lack of trainning and reduce caloric intake the body would reduce its muscle mass very rapidly. Anabolics are obviously a part of bodybuiding but to ignore training, dieting, and most of all genetic potetion is absurd.

[brian36]

theworm is adonis.

[Campeon Del Mundo]

His androgen receptors will respond better when he starts up again,  less is more.

    I agree 100%....very intelligent post..

[theworm]

We all dure respect,You are illuding yourself if you thing that anabolics make a PRO. Muscle is a luxury to the body. It is nothing more that a defense to stress provoke by training. We the lack of trainning and reduce caloric intake the body would reduce its muscle mass very rapidly. Anabolics are obviously a part of bodybuiding but to ignore training, dieting, and most of all genetic potetion is absurd.

No pro would be a pro without steroids.  Its all how one responds to steroids.  Mike Arivlla (the mexican dude on here) can take 10 grams of test a week and still look small, whereas Lee Priest can take 400mg of deca and grow like a weed (muscle wisee).  if there were no steroids Jay Culter would be about 200 pounds at his heaviest. maybe 220.

[theworm]

LOL,,,this is from the "afterparty" thread....  this is a guy who was runner up at Mr. O a few years ago!!!!

[MassInMass]

LOL,,,this is from the "afterparty" thread....  this is a guy who was runner up at Mr. O a few years ago!!!!
Levrone looking huge

[divcom]

haha,,,some retard teaching me about "science."  Bitch, I am a MD.  Bottom line is that without steroids, these people are SHIT and you know it.  Melvin couldn't even win a local show at the Y lookin like he does.

Just to entertain me, please tell me more about "the syntense" of protein.   fag.

It's M.D., not MD.  I guess you live in Maryland. 

[HERACLES]

Its true though- take away the gear, and they arent near anything what they are- no way no how. That pic says it all. Monster difference.