Global Warming

[Old_Rooster]

The same temperature change that has occured on earth has also been discovered to have happened on Mars , so i'm hoping we dispatch Al Gore to mars to find out about their factories and cars to find a better and more efficient way for the martians to assist them in this universerse warming.

[militarymuscle69]

The same temperature change that has occured on earth has also been discovered to have happened on Mars , so i'm hoping we dispatch Al Gore to mars to find out about their factories and cars to find a better and more efficient way for the martians to assist them in this universerse warming.

just let them go, it will be funny in 10 years when they are screaming we need more sweaters. I guess they didn't see the cleveland series moved to milwaukee because of snow...

[Decker]

just let them go, it will be funny in 10 years when they are screaming we need more sweaters. I guess they didn't see the cleveland series moved to milwaukee because of snow...

They are charging only $10 a ticket.  But I sit here in my office looking out over downtown milwaukee and it is literally a whiteout.

The concept of Global Warming includes the increase in weather volatility.  This report is another in a long line which concludes that mankind's industrial and commercial activities are increasing the planet's carbon levels.

http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf

Conclusion:  Global atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide have increased markedly as a result of human activities since 1750 and now far exceed pre-industrial values determined from ice cores spanning many thousands of years (see Figure SPM-1). The global increases in carbon dioxide concentration are due primarily to fossil fuel use and land-use change, while those of
methane and nitrous oxide are primarily due to agriculture.


The Mars findings have absolutely no relevance to earths GreenHouseGas Global Warming.

the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, written and reviewed by 1,000 scientists convened by the World Meteorological Society and the U.N. It concluded that global warming is ''unequivocal,'' that human activity is the main driver, and that ''changes in climate are now affecting physical and biological systems on every continent.

[militarymuscle69]

"The Mars findings have absolutely no relevance to earths GreenHouseGas Global Warming"  But the one similiartiy in this instance is the Sun and her rise in Temp...no one is denying that the earth is warmer but it isn't man made. If the sun's temp hadn't have risen, would the greenhouse gasses (the most abundandt being water vapor) alone have raised the temp?

[Tre]

While I agree that we could take better care of our planet, Gore and the like are clearly nothing more than alarmists hoping to use fear-mongering the same way our current president has. 

[Decker]

While I agree that we could take better care of our planet, Gore and the like are clearly nothing more than alarmists hoping to use fear-mongering the same way our current president has. 

Then you are at odds with the vast majority of climate experts in the world.  The people that know best would disagree with your conclusion.

[Decker]

"The Mars findings have absolutely no relevance to earths GreenHouseGas Global Warming"  But the one similiartiy in this instance is the Sun and her rise in Temp...no one is denying that the earth is warmer but it isn't man made. If the sun's temp hadn't have risen, would the greenhouse gasses (the most abundandt being water vapor) alone have raised the temp?

It is man-made carbon emissions that are exacerbating the problem here.  The GHG effect is a natural one.  It occurs on other planets.  But on this planet, our industrial activity is accelerating the process.

[ieffinhatecardio]

The thing I don't understand about the Global Warming debate is the partisanship. Why has this become another Democrat vs. Republican hot topic? I can't stand that the issue has become politicized.

I don't think searching for alternative fuels is a bad thing. I don't think lessoning our massive dependency on fossil fuels is a negative.

There's a great show on Discovery called Planet Earth and they did a great piece on Global Warming the other night. It wasn't particularly in depth but it was good none the less. The cinematography in particular is incredible. Whoever shot and directed the footage is fantastically talented.

[Old_Rooster]

The sky is falling, run chicken little run!

[kh300]

The thing I don't understand about the Global Warming debate is the partisanship. Why has this become another Democrat vs. Republican hot topic? I can't stand that the issue has become politicized.

I don't think searching for alternative fuels is a bad thing. I don't think lessoning our massive dependency on fossil fuels is a negative.

There's a great show on Discovery called Planet Earth and they did a great piece on Global Warming the other night. It wasn't particularly in depth but it was good none the less. The cinematography in particular is incredible. Whoever shot and directed the footage is fantastically talented.

anyone that says pollution isnt causing problems is a jackass.. i had to fly into la a few weeks ago.. completely sunny, and no clouds in the air, then you fly through a giant cloud of shit hanging over the city.. that cant be good

the problem is, they say "dont vote for me or else this and this will happen". they've turned it into a political debate

[Camel Jockey]

The thing I don't understand about the Global Warming debate is the partisanship. Why has this become another Democrat vs. Republican hot topic? I can't stand that the issue has become politicized.

I don't think searching for alternative fuels is a bad thing. I don't think lessoning our massive dependency on fossil fuels is a negative.

There's a great show on Discovery called Planet Earth and they did a great piece on Global Warming the other night. It wasn't particularly in depth but it was good none the less. The cinematography in particular is incredible. Whoever shot and directed the footage is fantastically talented.

The footage of the snow leopard chasing its pray was awesome. 

[Thin Lizzy]

Then you are at odds with the vast majority of climate experts in the world.  The people that know best would disagree with your conclusion.

How do you know that's their REAL opinion on the subject?  Often in the scientific world, once an idea becomes the prevailing opinion, disagreeing with that idea can result in the scientist losing his funding.

[Old_Rooster]

I'm glad I never had kids so i don't much have to worry about what will happen to my kids or kids kids.

Nope, I can abuse the fuck out of this planet all I want and then toss me in the polluted dirt 6 foot under when i go belly up.  Park my damn tahoe beside me at my grave site too.  Hope the planet explodes the day after i'm gone so it will take all of you out with me.  Bring back styrofoam!  I loved tossing those cups out my window:)

[ieffinhatecardio]

anyone that says pollution isnt causing problems is a jackass.. i had to fly into la a few weeks ago.. completely sunny, and no clouds in the air, then you fly through a giant cloud of shit hanging over the city.. that cant be good

the problem is, they say "dont vote for me or else this and this will happen". they've turned it into a political debate

Sadly, I think Gore has become the face of man made global warming. When he shouldn't be, he's clearly an opportunist to at least some degree.

I think much of the blame on this being a partisan issue lies with Gore's effect on people. His involvement has politicized the way people view the issue.

I agree with your point about L.A., seeing their smog issues it's hard not to think that man played at least some role in Global Warming. 

[Camel Jockey]

How do you know that's their REAL opinion on the subject?  Often in the scientific world, once an idea becomes the prevailing opinion, disagreeing with that idea can result in the scientist losing his funding.

Show me an example of a scientist being blackballed for challanging man made global warming.

Whether global warming is man made or not, environmental problems are very real.

[Decker]

How do you know that's their REAL opinion on the subject?  Often in the scientific world, once an idea becomes the prevailing opinion, disagreeing with that idea can result in the scientist losing his funding.

If these scientists across the world were motivated by money (i.e., perpetuating a lie to keep academic funding rolling in) then they would be wiser to sell-out to the oil companies.

They pay a hell of alot more.

Don't the fossil fuel companies have vested interests in misleading the public about global warming/GHG?

Much like in the same manner that every single executive of import in the cigarette industry testified before Congress that smoking does not cause cancer?

[Oldschool Flip]

I believe all scientific prooof that there is much more carbon in the atmosphere since the progression of the industrial revolution, but I am NOT convinced that it is the CAUSE of Global Warming. Almost all scientists will agree about the CO2 emmisions, but these same scientists also say that they CANNOT CONCLUDE that this has lead to Global Warming. Attribute to it yes, but no conclusive as to why the Earth is warming. Last ice age was approximately 10,000 years ago and trends in Earths warming, according to these same scientists, is usually every 10,000 years.
Do we need to TRY to find alternatives? Yes, but with people like DiCaprio and Gore being alarmists, the public hasn't responded in kind. I feel we should go nuclear, but then the enviromentalists start yapping. Hard to win in this situation unless energy companies can come up with an AFFORDABLE way to convert without passing on the costs to the consumer. My energy bill is about 110.00 a month and if it doubled I would have to give up my Whey Protein.

[Decker]

I believe all scientific prooof that there is much more carbon in the atmosphere since the progression of the industrial revolution, but I am NOT convinced that it is the CAUSE of Global Warming. Almost all scientists will agree about the CO2 emmisions, but these same scientists also say that they CANNOT CONCLUDE that this has lead to Global Warming. Attribute to it yes, but no conclusive as to why the Earth is warming. Last ice age was approximately 10,000 years ago and trends in Earths warming, according to these same scientists, is usually every 10,000 years.
Do we need to TRY to find alternatives? Yes, but with people like DiCaprio and Gore being alarmists, the public hasn't responded in kind. I feel we should go nuclear, but then the enviromentalists start yapping. Hard to win in this situation unless energy companies can come up with an AFFORDABLE way to convert without passing on the costs to the consumer. My energy bill is about 110.00 a month and if it doubled I would have to give up my Whey Protein.

http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/basic_science/

That link above will take you to a site that is fairly thorough.

"How Do We Know that Atmosphere Increases in Greenhouse Gases are Due to Human Activity?

Some greenhouse gases, such as industrial halocarbons, are only made by humans, and thus their presence in the atmosphere can only be explained by human activity.


Naturally occurring gases such as CO2 and CH4 are generated by natural processes such as plant and animal respiration and decomposition.  However, scientists can quantify the various sources (both natural and human) of such gases and measure their contribution to atmospheric concentrations.  Current concentrations of the primary greenhouse gases (see above) cannot be accounted for without considering human activities, particularly the combustion of fossil fuels.   Furthermore, global warming may increase the release of greenhouse gases from natural resources."  http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/faq_s/glance_faq_science.cfm

Global warming is a natural phenomenon.

Man's industrial activity is making it progress at a faster than normal rate.

Gore is not an alarmist.  I have yet to see anyone back up that accusation with hard facts.  Gore is merely mentioning what is already well established worldwide scientific consensus.

[ieffinhatecardio]

http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/basic_science/

That link above will take you to a site that is fairly thorough.

"How Do We Know that Atmosphere Increases in Greenhouse Gases are Due to Human Activity?

Some greenhouse gases, such as industrial halocarbons, are only made by humans, and thus their presence in the atmosphere can only be explained by human activity.


Naturally occurring gases such as CO2 and CH4 are generated by natural processes such as plant and animal respiration and decomposition.  However, scientists can quantify the various sources (both natural and human) of such gases and measure their contribution to atmospheric concentrations.  Current concentrations of the primary greenhouse gases (see above) cannot be accounted for without considering human activities, particularly the combustion of fossil fuels.   Furthermore, global warming may increase the release of greenhouse gases from natural resources."  http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/faq_s/glance_faq_science.cfm

Global warming is a natural phenomenon.

Man's industrial activity is making it progress at a faster than normal rate.

Gore is not an alarmist.  I have yet to see anyone back up that accusation with hard facts.  Gore is merely mentioning what is already well established worldwide scientific consensus.

Gore is not the right person to be the face of man's effect on Global Warming. Not only does he polarize people politically he also leads an extremely luxurious life and uses more natural resources and produces more emissions than 10 average Americans. Also there are still questions on whether he financially gains from his Global Warming position.

[Decker]

Gore is not the right person to be the face of man's effect on Global Warming. Not only does he polarize people politically he also leads an extremely luxurious life and uses more natural resources and produces more emissions than 10 average Americans. Also there are still questions on whether he financially gains from his Global Warming position.

Ironically it was the 'liberal' New York Times and Washington Post that are largely responsible for portraying Gore as: habitual liar, inventor of the Internet, discoverer of Love Canal, model for Love Story, earth tones, Alpha Male etc.  The millionaire pundits at those papers spread the republican talking points like typhoid Mary.

He's an ex-vice president.  He will use more resources by virtue of that fact: security details, ambassador trips etc.  If the criterion for leading the charge on global warming is powering one's home with sunlight and fart gas, then it will die in its tracks.

Besides fighting the good fight is still important my friend.  We are all hypocrites.  But we try.

[ieffinhatecardio]

Ironically it was the 'liberal' New York Times and Washington Post that are largely responsible for portraying Gore as: habitual liar, inventor of the Internet, discoverer of Love Canal, model for Love Story, earth tones, Alpha Male etc.  The millionaire pundits at those papers spread the republican talking points like typhoid Mary.

He's an ex-vice president.  He will use more resources by virtue of that fact: security details, ambassador trips etc.  If the criterion for leading the charge on global warming is powering one's home with sunlight and fart gas, then it will die in its tracks.

Besides fighting the good fight is still important my friend.  We are all hypocrites.  But we try.

Yes, and I know that many of those claims attributed to him were never actually said by him. I also agree that fighting the good fight is still very important.

My main point is that Global Warming is too important an issue to be politicized yet I think that is exactly what Gore's involvement produces. Take this board for example, nearly everyone that says Global Warming is not effected by man is a Republican and nearly all of the people claiming that man has had an effect on Global Warming are Democrats and I fear this board is nearly a mirror image of what the general population believes.

Somehow the issue became politicized and my opinion is that Gore is the main reason for that. Again, it's too important an issue to be bogged down by politics. Well, at least that's my opinion.

[Decker]

Yes, and I know that many of those claims attributed to him were never actually said by him. I also agree that fighting the good fight is still very important.

My main point is that Global Warming is too important an issue to be politicized yet I think that is exactly what Gore's involvement produces. Take this board for example, nearly everyone that says Global Warming is not effected by man is a Republican and nearly all of the people claiming that man has had an effect on Global Warming are Democrats and I fear this board is nearly a mirror image of what the general population believes.

Somehow the issue became politicized and my opinion is that Gore is the main reason for that. Again, it's too important an issue to be bogged down by politics. Well, at least that's my opinion.

I understand your point.  It is difficult for me to reward deliberate lies and marginalize the forward thinking Gore.  I would hope that my fellow forum dwellers here would accept truth for what it is instead of consciously choosing decptions.

But for whatever reason, you are correct:  Gore is viewed as polarizing by many people.