my cycle

[smoothasf]

ive been taking tren Ace on its own 1ml EOD for 4 weeks, no side effects what so ever no tren dick, great strength and look different just in case though im gonna stack 2ml a week of test enanthate for the next 8 weeks.

I notice how much more effective this cyle is compared to my first of test eth only.
is my current cycle good and where would you recommend to go for my next?

[Arnold jr]

ive been taking tren Ace on its own 1ml EOD for 4 weeks, no side effects what so ever no tren dick, great strength and look different just in case though im gonna stack 2ml a week of test enanthate for the next 8 weeks.

I notice how much more effective this cyle is compared to my first of test eth only.
is my current cycle good and where would you recommend to go for my next?

First off, saying things like I'm taking this many ML's per wk does not tell us anything...we have no clue as to what the actual dose is. Tour tren could be dosed at 100mg/ml, 50mg/ml etc...same for the test.

Yes, you should be taking test with this cycle.

As for saying what you should take for your next cycle...that is a very vague question and it's imposable to answer without any details given by you.

[smoothasf]

sorry tren 75mg/ml test 250mg/ml

26yo, 182 pounds 5'11 aint got a clue of my body fat but i dont carry much at all, athletic build

[freakfestMD]

"no side effects...no tren dick..."  This is because it has only been 4 weeks.

I would not advise tren on it's own.  What would the rationale be?  If you're pinning tren eod then it certainly isn't fear of needles.

8 weeks does not constitue a cycle.  It is merely foreplay for HPTA shutdown.

You need to do some research on these compounds, first.  Read, at least, through the stickies at the top of this page. 

That being said, since you have already started, and since I can't stand the thought of another misinformed gear head walking around the gym confusing estrogen bloat with a muscular physique:

Week 1-12 test enanthate 500mg per week
Week 1-10 tren a 75mg eod

Arimidex 0.5mg ed throughout
Consider hcg 300iu every 5 days throughout.

Nolvadex for PCT, at least 20mg per day for 4 weeks for PCT.


If you do not know what arimidex is or why you should take it, if you thing hcg is growth hormone, and if you do not know what PCT is, then I suggest you become more informed before you decide to f*ck yourself up again.

[4thAD]

And freakfest takes him to the ropes.... Tell like it is brotha! Nice response.

SmoothASF I hope you listen to the good doctor. He knows what he is talking about. There's a bro on another board I go to that is still having a problem with libido 8 months after PCT because he ran a tren only cycle. Becareful man and listen to the Doc.

[smoothasf]

thats why ive started taking test.
can i take nolvadex instead of Arimidex throughout? it easier for me to get hold of.
the only reason i started taking the tren on its own was because a few guys on here said they could take it on its own without any problems whatsoever.
anyway thanks for the advise inbetween the usual bit of abuse

[4thAD]

Were just busting your balls bro! We don't mean anything by it. I think you should name the moron that told you to run a tren only cycle so we can all ridicule his stupid advice! 

[trab]

8 weeks does not constitue a cycle.  It is merely foreplay for HPTA shutdown.

   That's precious Doc! I also got a big kick out of your previous "End up a Castorated depressed,,," From too short a cycle analogy.

Problem is the general public thinks, Take a pill - get a effect.   Headache? - Tylenol, problem solved.

Therefore, I want muscle. Take steroid, get muscle??   Sorry, not that simple. Its more like you are messing w/ the
controls of a elaborate thermostatically controlled machine (for lack of better simplistic comparison).
You make adjustments, it selfcorrects, and recorrects each time you do something new.
And it does NOT share your passion for a 20" arm!

[Luv2Hurt]

  That's precious Doc! I also got a big kick out of your previous "End up a Castorated depressed,,," From too short a cycle analogy.

Problem is the general public thinks, Take a pill - get a effect.   Headache? - Tylenol, problem solved.

Therefore, I want muscle. Take steroid, get muscle??   Sorry, not that simple. Its more like you are messing w/ the
controls of a elaborate thermostatically controlled machine (for lack of better simplistic comparison).
You make adjustments, it selfcorrects, and recorrects each time you do something new.
And it does NOT share your passion for a 20" arm!

Nice post, its right on the money. Cant fool your body for ever, it will find a way.

[smoothasf]

lol nicely put trab. 
I should have posted the full 16 weeks
trenACE75 1ml EOD up till now (week 4 cant change that now) 500mg test eth a week for the next 8 weeks then tren, test and Stanozolol for the last 4.  Ive got hold of some nolva already

[freakfestMD]

can i take nolvadex instead of Arimidex throughout? it easier for me to get hold of.

Nolvadex is a poor choice for control of estrogen during a cycle.  While it does block estrogen receptors, mostly in the periareolar tissue, it is also acts as a powerful estrogen at fat stores, particularly those in the abdominal area.  Nolvadex is also known to suppress IGF-1.

During a cycle, aromatase inhibitors, such as arimidex, are a superior choice.  They are easy and cheap to get.  Check your PM.

[trab]

...also acts as a powerful estrogen at fat stores, particularly those in the abdominal area.  Nolvadex is also known to suppress IGF-1.

Md.FreakFest, are you saying that Nolva can contribute to abdominal fat accumulation???
There's something going on these days w/  the  - "Pregnant w/ alien's being"  Distended Belly some members of the BBing tribe is sportin'.

I thought it was the HGH and insulin. Can Nolva also contribute?

I've Personally noticed a very nice  hardening effect w/ 40mgs:Day Nolva coming on @ about the 1 week point at times on myself.
I'd throw Nolva in the "Dieting drug" collection myself.
I just don't feel that great on A'dex, and it just don't work that well 4 me. Also, Deca gets weird on me fast at > 400mgs/wk.  Libido issues, nipple swell, foul mood (Wife compares it to PMS ). I suspect my bod converts progest  easier. I think that's what that irrational PMS temper is from on (some  )women.

I've never used any of these anti-aromatose drugs newer than A'dex, just stuck w/ Nolva as needed.
Nolva hasn't  put a belly on me over the years. I do think it knocks down androgen effectiveness though. 
Bottom line is learn what works and use it.

[Arnold jr]

Nolvadex is a poor choice for control of estrogen during a cycle.  While it does block estrogen receptors, mostly in the periareolar tissue, it is also acts as a powerful estrogen at fat stores, particularly those in the abdominal area.  Nolvadex is also known to suppress IGF-1.

During a cycle, aromatase inhibitors, such as arimidex, are a superior choice.  They are easy and cheap to get.  Check your PM.

Indeed, I've been preaching this for longer then I can remember.

Trab, have you might give letro a try in your next cycle. Although I prefer adex myself, but if it doesn't work for you well, I'd give letro a shot because I believe like Freak said it would better serve your purpose.

[Luv2Hurt]

Indeed, I've been preaching this for longer then I can remember.

Trab, have you might give letro a try in your next cycle. Although I prefer adex myself, but if it doesn't work for you well, I'd give letro a shot because I believe like Freak said it would better serve your purpose.

Could try the letro but Im guessing if arimidex makes him feel bad so will letro. Kind of wondering what you mean trab by a-dex does not work for you?

Nolvadex is a feel good drug.  Is also good for lipid profiles, unlike the AI's.  Unless trying to get under 6% BF You just might be fine on low dose nolva.  Nolva for the most part is pretty free of sides and allows enough E for a good mood and sex drive.  I have been on letro for over a year and can say Im pretty much a bitch.  When you would rather rest and eat right for the mornings training session than get laid....something is out of whack.

[trab]

A'dex - I tried it a few times back when it 1st caught on. I just don't feel good on it. I cant take enough of it to run a Test dose up where it belongs .
Also, I don't compete, so ultra low BF% is not a issue. Cost & availability is too.

 I'm naturally lean anyway, hard for me to lose abs even w/ Anapolon & 1gr Test/wk when I was younger. And with wrists that I can squeeze a tapeMeasure to 6 1/4",  I'm not ever cut out to be that huge no matter what. Eating is the real issue as Arnie points out often enough. I don't like to feel bloated on food.
I could actually diet down to 165lbs and pull off a 400lb shirted bench when I get my act in order.
500lbs shirted @ that BW is not all that uncommon these days, but 500's not a realistic target at the moment. 400 is.

At 47yrs old it's just a ongoing garage science project of sorts   I'll check into letro and consider it when I get some back related issues in control and feel up to cranking up the dose again. That positively is not now. I just use around 200-300mgs enanthate every 5 days or so as HRT.


I also usually pull very outstanding lipid profiles (This actually seems to piss my steroid-phobic jerk Dr off )
I really do think Nolva helps there.

Nolva definitely blunts test bloat. Sometime a guy wants bloat, sometime not.