whats the best pct

[bigstacks]

Hi guys,
           I was just wondering what is the best pct and what is out there to use as substitute if you can not get hold of the stuff you would usually reccommend. Also how do get a doctor to prescribe you some stuff for pct, as i have tried and he said that he would not prescribe me anything for legal reasons.
Thanks
Bigstacks

[Rimbaud]

I would say the best is still Nolva. However, Clomid is just as good (IMO) but you just need to take more to get the same effect. I've also noticed more sides with Clomid.

As for the doctor: Your guess is as good as mine.

[bigstacks]

yeah im in Australia and i think most people that i know take nolva tabs, what do think is better tabs or liquid
Thanks
Bigstacks

[Rimbaud]

yeah im in Australia and i think most people that i know take nolva tabs, what do think is better tabs or liquid

It depends on what you have to settle for (i.e. pharm or UG).

[trab]

Hi guys,
           I was just wondering what is the best pct and what is out there to use as substitute if you can not get hold of the stuff you would usually reccommend. Also how do get a doctor to prescribe you some stuff for pct, as i have tried and he said that he would not prescribe me anything for legal reasons.
Thanks
Bigstacks

Docs will only write 'scripts for a medical problem or deficancy,... so...  do your nips hurt/itch post-cycle or other legit side effect? Do you want it in your Med write up?  Is it worth the overinflated price they charge? Does he have the slightest idea about AAS ( I doubt it, even if hes a endrocrinologist as far as I've seen)
IMO they arent worth screwin with at all. F'n idiots for the most part.
Go there when you have a problem. Carefull what gets written up in your file. check your records periodicaly.

[bigstacks]

So wheres the best place for me to get this stuff that i need, should i try and get dodgy stuff or fake the symptoms to the doc
Thanks
Bigstacks

[trab]

So wheres the best place for me to get this stuff that i need, should i try and get dodgy stuff or fake the symptoms to the doc
Thanks
Bigstacks

I see your in Australia? I'm writing w/ a USA twisted point of view. Your Drs MAY be more educated and progressive. I dont know. I did hear years back that the Aussie Public health services were prescribing
like 200mgs Deca wk as male contraceptive. I've no idea if there is any basis in fact to that, but if so...
Call your public health dept and ask about that . Hell, that'd be great. Your Doc may writ a script, I dont know. But mine here in the US are just not even worth the time and gas money to see re: any AAS issue.
There are a few "Anti-aging" type private clinics here that have knowledgable progressive staff, but very $pendy.
The US is so assbackwards (and prolly will get worse) it's incomprehensible.

I dont know how tightly your mail is controlled, but US customs lets lots of meds pass thru.Often even small amts
of steroid and narcotic painkillers I'm told. I wont try that. Dont want to run afoul of your law there. You have a better Idea than US residents on this. I'd ask other dudes Down under there to get a feel. Sorry I cant be of more help. There are many a intnl pharmacy that ships most anything worldwide if you search on the net.

[Rimbaud]

I see your in Australia? I'm writing w/ a USA twisted point of view. Your Drs MAY be more educated and progressive. I dont know. I did hear years back that the Aussie Public health services were prescribing
like 200mgs Deca wk as male contraceptive. I've no idea if there is any basis in fact to that, but if so...
Call your public health dept and ask about that . Hell, that'd be great. Your Doc may writ a script, I dont know. But mine here in the US are just not even worth the time and gas money to see re: any AAS issue.
There are a few "Anti-aging" type private clinics here that have knowledgable progressive staff, but very $pendy.
The US is so assbackwards (and prolly will get worse) it's incomprehensible.

I dont know how tightly your mail is controlled, but US customs lets lots of meds pass thru.Often even small amts
of steroid and narcotic painkillers I'm told. I wont try that. Dont want to run afoul of your law there. You have a better Idea than US residents on this. I'd ask other dudes Down under there to get a feel. Sorry I cant be of more help. There are many a intnl pharmacy that ships most anything worldwide if you search on the net.

From what I understand Australia's mail is very tightly controlled & strict.

[Slintowin]

Best Pct by far igf

[bigstacks]

Hey Guys,
              the customs here are tighter than a sparrows ass, your lucky to get panadol through here. As for decca for birth control , maybe but i don't think so. The doctors over here are pretty fucked though, i had a friend who was on some pretty bad drugs, so to get him off the doctor put him on this oral drug that mimics the bad shit like coke, and cause the dude said he didn't feel strong & was tired all the time the doc prescribed him sus 250, crazy eh. I suppose I'll just have to have a look around. By the way is there anything you would recommend to take at the end of a cycle if i can't get the proper stuff to help me through.
Thanks
Bigstacks

[trab]

Clomid once or twice a day for 10-14 days, then, Nolva (20mg/day for 2wks. Could taper down to 10 even) seems to help.

I'd also say this, some will dissagree. If someone does a real stupid end of cycle, and drops a heavy cycle real hard and fast, and is having real probs still at wk 6-8... Go back on  a moderate test course for a few weeks and then slowly taper off and do it right... Going down to prop and stanoz 50-100mg eod for a month at end even.  The new jolt of androgen can almost seem to have a clomid type of effect on the Testes in my experience.
 
Sudden Androgen jolt can mess up the contraceptive effect of a HRT type Testo dose acording to Mr Jumbo Palumbo. I've read similar assertion by Arthor L Rea. I believe it.   

[Luv2Hurt]

Clomid once or twice a day for 10-14 days, then, Nolva (20mg/day for 2wks. Could taper down to 10 even) seems to help.

I'd also say this, some will dissagree. If someone does a real stupid end of cycle, and drops a heavy cycle real hard and fast, and is having real probs still at wk 6-8... Go back on  a moderate test course for a few weeks and then slowly taper off and do it right... Going down to prop and stanoz 50-100mg eod for a month at end even.  The new jolt of androgen can almost seem to have a clomid type of effect on the Testes in my experience.
 
Sudden Androgen jolt can mess up the contraceptive effect of a HRT type Testo dose acording to Mr Jumbo Palumbo. I've read similar assertion by Arthor L Rea. I believe it.   

I have also started back up a cycle after a botched PCT.  Was horrible, taught me never to end a cycle on just deca. Recovery just did not seem to be happening after 4 months so I jumped back and as Trab said did it right for PCT and things went fine, or at least much better, not as good as while on 

[trab]

I have also started back up a cycle after a botched PCT.  Was horrible, taught me never to end a cycle on just deca. Recovery just did not seem to be happening after 4 months so I jumped back and as Trab said did it right for PCT and things went fine, or at least much better, not as good as while on 

Yeah, this is kinda "against the rules" but it can produce better results than if guy just dropped a big load SUS + Deca cold.And wait FOREVER to recover.
Somebody else here mentioned a stiff dose of D'bol AT END OF CYCLE once.  Sounds crazy huh? I swear I've seen that
jolt business seem to increase nut size and cum output like HCG/CLomid. Some research Ive looked at also suggest
big Teso change up-regulates Nat output temporarily. THis is not a PCT method for guys to try, this is stuff seen from
"Botched and screwups" IMO.  But learning how YOUR bodies respond is the trick.  Wait a few years till this genetic
science spills over to BBing. We'll have guys like the Pro Wrestler Big Show at ripped Body Fat %ages!

[nder98]

Best Pct by far igf

I wanted to do the same... igf alone? or with clomid also?

[Daddy240]

PM'd Palumbo on this issue, to which he replied:

2000IU HCG E3D x 5 shots (2 weeks following last shot of AAS)
100mg Clomid ED for 3 weeks following HCG
.5mg to 1mg Arimidex EOD for full 5 weeks of PCT.  Dosage dependent on propensity to estrogen related sides, strength of cycle, etc.

Don't know why Clomid over Nolvadex, but it looks sound otherwise.