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Re: Off the Chain - Pit Bull Documentary
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2007, 05:21:55 AM »
I had to stop watchin that after about 15 minutes. Those fucken dog fighters should be covered with lambs blood and thrown in the pit with a human aggressive pitbull. Human trash at its finest!!
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Re: Off the Chain - Pit Bull Documentary
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2007, 07:35:49 AM »
it is hard to watch but more people really need to see stuff like this.  most people know dog fighting is wrong and cruel but until you actually see it you dont really get the full picture of the immense cruelty and violence these dogs suffer. 

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Re: Off the Chain - Pit Bull Documentary
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2007, 12:20:35 PM »
I can't believe that anybody who fights dogs can turn around and say that they love them... Oxymoron.  we should issue a death penalty to them, because they are not fit for our society, just like they would issue a death penalty to a dog for not wanting to fight anymore. 

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Re: Off the Chain - Pit Bull Documentary
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2007, 01:19:52 PM »
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=737567328566379082

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would it be a crime to fuck these guys up if you caught them?

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Re: Off the Chain - Pit Bull Documentary
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2007, 06:49:08 AM »
What part does the breed play?

Ie, if only breeds that were passive and submissive were allowed, would these idiots still be interested?

What can be done to prevent people from breeding unhappy dogs?

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Re: Off the Chain - Pit Bull Documentary
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2007, 02:53:11 PM »
What part does the breed play?

Ie, if only breeds that were passive and submissive were allowed, would these idiots still be interested?

What can be done to prevent people from breeding unhappy dogs?

-Hedge

hedge, its never the breeds fault.

from the time these dogs are pups they are beaten, chained, abused, fed gun powder, drugs, ect.

if these punks didnt have pits they would use whatever breed of dog they could get.

they get off on the brutality, violence, and money that goes along with dog fighting.

the pitbull is the innocent victim in all of this.

if you watch the begining of the documentary you see how they are talking about how the pitbull used to be the top choice as a family pet.

how respected, trusted, and loved the breed was.  to see the breed go from that to being public enemy number one today is really sick.

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Re: Off the Chain - Pit Bull Documentary
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2007, 03:31:51 PM »
What part does the breed play?

Ie, if only breeds that were passive and submissive were allowed, would these idiots still be interested?

What can be done to prevent people from breeding unhappy dogs?

-Hedge
I know you're not a dog person, so let me give you an example of another aggressive breed of dog.

As f'd up as this may sound Golden Retrievers can be very aggressive. I know some people are going to call bullshit and that's OK.  When I was a kid, my parents used to breed Golden Retrievers for show and hunting, championship lines, beautiful dogs.
Anyways, the males we had would try to take your face off if you were a stranger, my pits wag their tails. Quite often the male and female would fight, very aggressively, we used to put the hose down their throats and pull them apart, we would have to seperate them for hours before they could be put back together.

I know it's crazy, Hedge, and it seems like it's the breed, but don't forget, several breeds are lumped together as "pits". Fact of the matter is, if you tied up a Golden, fed it gun powder, beat it, taught it to be aggressive, it would be just as aggressive in a fight as a pit. It's too bad the minority of owners ruin it for the majority. :'(
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Re: Off the Chain - Pit Bull Documentary
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2007, 12:39:37 PM »
havn't watched the documentary but I hope it underscores that fact that these animals are bred  for their aggressivness and are even given steroids. They are killing machines created by human beings. It always amazes me how angry people get at the dogs as if it is their fault. 

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Re: Off the Chain - Pit Bull Documentary
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2007, 05:50:21 AM »
havn't watched the documentary but I hope it underscores that fact that these animals are bred  for their aggressivness and are even given steroids. They are killing machines created by human beings. It always amazes me how angry people get at the dogs as if it is their fault. 

  Most are NOT bred to be aggressive, they are bred like any other breed of dog.  It is the BAD breeders/owners that give the dog it's bad rep. 

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Re: Off the Chain - Pit Bull Documentary
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2007, 10:07:12 PM »
hedge, its never the breeds fault.

from the time these dogs are pups they are beaten, chained, abused, fed gun powder, drugs, ect.

if these punks didn't have pits they would use whatever breed of dog they could get.

they get off on the brutality, violence, and money that goes along with dog fighting.

the pitbull is the innocent victim in all of this.

if you watch the beginning of the documentary you see how they are talking about how the pitbull used to be the top choice as a family pet.

how respected, trusted, and loved the breed was.  to see the breed go from that to being public enemy number one today is really sick.

I'm probably going to catch hell for what I write in this post, but oh well....   The post above is a very good post.  If you look back through American history, the "pit bull" helped forge the US.  I have pictures of family members going across Ohio in a wagon with a "pitbull dog" beside the wagon in the early 1800's.   They were a common media dog up through WWII, including the dog on "Our Gang"---the little rascals, the Sony records dog, and the pitbull that was featured on many posters during WWI and WWII. 

Pits as a breed are large, powerful dogs.   Its the owners that determine the behavior in these dogs---right now, my older female (a 68 lb APBT) is sitting on my wife, who's passed out asleep in our big chair in the living room, shaking because its thundering outside.  Its kind of funny because my wife is snoring and the dog is jumping each time it thunders. 

I've worked with literally 100's of pits---I used to run a rescue when I was in veterinary school that has placed dogs all over the US.  In terms of human aggression, there was a very strong selection in pit fought dogs against human agression---historically, they were shot in the pit if they attacked a judge or handler.   I don't condone dog fighting in any way and I've served as an "expert" witness to prosecute more than one individual involved with dog fighting. But it does play a role with this particular breed, and the only way to understand the breed is to acknowledge the history invovled with it.  Its only been in the last 15 years or so that poor breeding has become an issue.  I won't lie, I've seen a couple of very, very aggressive pitbulls, but in the case of those dogs, I know without a fact that the owners did everything they could to make these dogs as mean as hell in an attempt to have a "status symbol" ---including administering a plethora of drugs from LSD to methamphetamine to anabolic steroids.  A pitbull on a permenant acid trip is not a fun dog. 

Remember, pitbulls are a terrier--a group of breeds that have a stubborn tenaciousness to do what they think will make their owners happy.  That is a huge, huge factor.  I've also seen pits who have been horribly abused---burned, stabbed, tied up, starved, drugged, become some of the most devoted family pets you will ever see.   Pits want their owners to be happy.  If you love them, they will love you back with everything they've got.  Yet because of their breed, these dogs can legally be taken from the people who are finally giving them a loving home and euthanized in some parts of the US.  That to me is just pitiful. 

The media likes to make a big deal out of pitbulls because it sells.... its that simple.   Far more dog bites occur with smaller breed dogs---these bites aren't reported.  You will never see a headline of a child getting bit in the face by a Lhasa apso, but it will be all over the media a pit so much as growls at a child. 

The bottom line is dogs will be dogs.  Its the owners who are ultimately responsible for their pets.   Banning a breed or passing judgement against a breed---which seems to be the current mindset in America is not the answer.   What will happen is the dog owners will find something "bigger", "meaner" and "tougher" to keep if they cant keep pitbulls.