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Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« on: June 03, 2007, 11:41:44 PM »
He got first place based on how he looked the past two shows, not how he looked last night, because both darrem and ronnie rockel were more complete!

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Im taking nothing away from Kai, but this is the worst he's looked in the past 3 shows but he won today, he should have won last week at the keystone, and should have placed higher than sixth at the NYP!

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2007, 11:45:45 PM »
Nothing to discuss. I agree, Kai (IMO) won on the back of momentum from the last two shows both Rockell and Darrem Charles were (again IMO) better/more complete BBer's

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2007, 11:47:24 PM »
well your opinion AVBG is very respected, and I just wanted a post like yours to justify what i was thinking! :)

Nothing to discuss. I agree, Kai (IMO) won on the back of momentum from the last two shows both Rockell and Darrem Charles were (again IMO) better/more complete BBer's

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2007, 06:11:21 AM »
Nothing to discuss, Kia brought more size and codititioning than any other competitor on stage.  Darrem, Silvio and Ronnie looked good, just not good enought to beat Kia.

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2007, 06:22:10 AM »
Kai looked good and has great muscularity and conditioning.

But Rockell should have won. He's more complete and aesthetically pleasing.

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2007, 07:00:49 AM »
Kai won because he was most improved from last year, the rest of the guys looked the same as always. The Colorado Pro seems to like a more athletic look where New York likes the guys big and freaky.  I would like to see some consistency in judging though.

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2007, 07:09:38 AM »
He got first place based on how he looked the past two shows, not how he looked last night, because both darrem and ronnie rockel were more complete!

Please Discuss.

Im taking nothing away from Kai, but this is the worst he's looked in the past 3 shows but he won today, he should have won last week at the keystone, and should have placed higher than sixth at the NYP!

Great observations here and my feelings  are similar. Here is my take on the top guys vs Kai at the Col Pro.
     Kai was given the award for best presentation and while he is a good poser/performer, his music got cut (not his fault) and he was unable to complete his full routine. I also noticed that his chest, arms an delts semed to flatten and smooth out as the night wore on . I feel that it was very close, but he deserved 3rd.

Rockel looked incredible from head to toe is the poster guy for what a balanced, full physique should look like.
He held his conditioning the entire show and had the best calfs on stage in the finals. Again , it was VERY close but I would have given him first in this event. I suspect he will continue to make an impact in the pros and feel he has enough size and thickness to do real damage. In my humble opinion, Ronny Rockle has the potential to be a top tier, Olympia finalist without question.

Darrem Charles looked fantastic at the night show and contended for the top spot. He should have won the best presentation award as well. His posing is awesome but he has been doing the same kind of routine for a awhile now.
This may have caused him to NOT win the presentation award???? He is one of my favorite pros and always exudes class and come sin shape.I would have placed him a close 2nd just behind Rockel.

Silvio - Small waist ,great upper body V shape and full pecs. Incredible thigh sweep and in shape.
No problem with him in 3rd, I would have placed him 4th however. Not to knock the guy, but their is "something" about his overall line /asthetics that just doesn't look right?

George Farah - In fantastic  condition only lacksa bit more mass/thickness for the top spots. Farah has some impressive guns and his body just comes alive on stage. I would have had him in 5th.

David Henry - Pound for pound a near perfect physique, what else can you say. His only fault is his smaller frame and stature. Guys like him (and Farah) are the main reason the IFBB pro men need one lighter wt class.I would have had him in 6th
I think it would add drama to have the lighter but incredible guys go head to head for an under 210 div.
I believe this will happen at the SW pro in Dallas?

Dennis James - He was clearly off but huge and thick overall. He has that rare shape that makes him look huge on stage. Come in lighter and sharper DJ and keep that waist under control and you can easliy regain your top spots.

Branch Warren -  He was off ,but not horrible like some said. He was hard as a rock when flexing from the front.
He looks best when he comes in big and freaky looking. That is his look and it stiill gets a lot of fans.

Hon. mention - Ed Vanasterdam fro Holland- The guy is big and thick as a brick with full muscle bellys.
If he comes in really shredded , look out, he still has all the mass and shape to do damage if he comes in ripped.


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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2007, 07:24:09 AM »
He got first place based on how he looked the past two shows, not how he looked last night, because both darrem and ronnie rockel were more complete!

Please Discuss.

Im taking nothing away from Kai, but this is the worst he's looked in the past 3 shows but he won today, he should have won last week at the keystone, and should have placed higher than sixth at the NYP!

Very good point.  Imagine if Kai didn't do the NY and Keystone and this was his first show of the year.  Would he have won?  Not in a million years. 

Looks like the judges get carried away with the hype.  Same with Wolf, as good as he looked at the Keystone (IMO he deserved the win), had he not done the NY and sparked the hype then I doubt he would've won.

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2007, 07:25:42 AM »
Bodybuilding is subjective and when it is close sometimes a guys momentum or buzz around him will push him over the top. Good pt :)
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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2007, 07:31:06 AM »
Kai deserves 1st, he was the best bb that night!
rockel should have taken 2nd and darrem 3rd

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2007, 07:42:51 AM »
Rockell's had size, symetry, AND conditioning....his physique was near flawless in my opinion

kia looked good but i thought Rockell had it....

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2007, 07:48:05 AM »
Kai deserves 1st, he was the best bb that night!
rockel should have taken 2nd and darrem 3rd

Kai looked great but I feel that both Rockel and Darrem looked a bit better at the night show.
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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2007, 07:55:32 AM »
Nothing to discuss. I agree, Kai (IMO) won on the back of momentum from the last two shows both Rockell and Darrem Charles were (again IMO) better/more complete BBer's

Agree.  Not to take anything away from what he has accomplished this year.  He looks great but Rockell looked better

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2007, 03:19:46 PM »
Agree.  Not to take anything away from what he has accomplished this year.  He looks great but Rockell looked better

exactly KK.

Howie, your review was spot on.

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2007, 04:24:57 PM »
Kai looked great but I feel that both Rockel and Darrem looked a bit better at the night show.
Did you go to the show? Just curious.   Howard
 

there were so few people there it turned into a meet and greet

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2007, 04:49:24 PM »
Great observations here and my feelings  are similar. Here is my take on the top guys vs Kai at the Col Pro.
     Kai was given the award for best presentation and while he is a good poser/performer, his music got cut (not his fault) and he was unable to complete his full routine. I also noticed that his chest, arms an delts semed to flatten and smooth out as the night wore on . I feel that it was very close, but he deserved 3rd.

Kai in my opinion wasn't big enough to be considered top 3. Especially thickness from behind poses such as lat spread, you can clearly notice the lack of substance to his whole pose and triceps. However I would placed him 4th, and possibly 2nd at keystone.

Rockel looked incredible from head to toe is the poster guy for what a balanced, full physique should look like.
He held his conditioning the entire show and had the best calfs on stage in the finals. Again , it was VERY close but I would have given him first in this event. I suspect he will continue to make an impact in the pros and feel he has enough size and thickness to do real damage. In my humble opinion, Ronny Rockle has the potential to be a top tier, Olympia finalist without question.

Rockel is definetly the man, and i had him/Charles at 1-2. But come night show show he seemed to loose alot of the conditioning/confidence that made me want to put him 1st. I still would have given 2nd.

Darrem Charles looked fantastic at the night show and contended for the top spot. He should have won the best presentation award as well. His posing is awesome but he has been doing the same kind of routine for a awhile now.
This may have caused him to NOT win the presentation award???? He is one of my favorite pros and always exudes class and come sin shape.I would have placed him a close 2nd just behind Rockel.

Would have given him the win.

Silvio - Small waist ,great upper body V shape and full pecs. Incredible thigh sweep and in shape.
No problem with him in 3rd, I would have placed him 4th however. Not to knock the guy, but their is "something" about his overall line /asthetics that just doesn't look right?

Definetly know what your talking about regarding him symmetry. It is not really his back, infact his back is better than most, its his chest/triceps/abs and most is evident in his side-tri pose. It comes down to an inbalance in training more than anything. But there is also his terrible shaped abs. But his conditioning and incredible fullness deserved 3rd-4th.

George Farah - In fantastic  condition only lacksa bit more mass/thickness for the top spots. Farah has some impressive guns and his body just comes alive on stage. I would have had him in 5th.

Not really a fan of his physique, looked ok but not great. 8-10 for me.

David Henry - Pound for pound a near perfect physique, what else can you say. His only fault is his smaller frame and stature. Guys like him (and Farah) are the main reason the IFBB pro men need one lighter wt class.I would have had him in 6th
I think it would add drama to have the lighter but incredible guys go head to head for an under 210 div.
I believe this will happen at the SW pro in Dallas?.

Underrated IMO and would have had him 5th, possibly 4d after Darrem, Rockel, Silvio, Kaye... Could have even pushed for top 3.

Dennis James - He was clearly off but huge and thick overall. He has that rare shape that makes him look huge on stage. Come in lighter and sharper DJ and keep that waist under control and you can easliy regain your top spots.

Was not "on". Definetly doing something wrong, and needs to work out why he isn't hitting the spot come show time.

Branch Warren -  He was off ,but not horrible like some said. He was hard as a rock when flexing from the front.
He looks best when he comes in big and freaky looking. That is his look and it stiill gets a lot of fans.

IMO this guy offers little in terms of displaying a top physique, no lines/seperation, bad skin. Just not the type of physique i think should be considered one of the best. Just my opinion, and would have had him 7-8.

Hon. mention - Ed Vanasterdam fro Holland- The guy is big and thick as a brick with full muscle bellys.
If he comes in really shredded , look out, he still has all the mass and shape to do damage if he comes in ripped.

Agreed, i noticed this guy, he came in very dry and well conditioning. Good physique, but something still missing, can't figuire it out.

Overall, a high quality show, and enjoyed it very much.

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2007, 04:51:17 PM »
Kai was the deserved winner but I do agree Ronnie Rockell should have been in at least second place.

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2007, 04:59:46 PM »
I had Kai in first and Rockel in second.

Kai wasn't given a gift... but Rockel was robbed.
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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2007, 05:10:57 PM »
I had Kai in first and Rockel in second.

Kai wasn't given a gift... but Rockel was robbed.

look at rockel in the night show and u will see he didn't pose or present with any authority at all. Also, conditioning died off as the night went on. Night show is large part of the show and dont think his overall prsentation there deserved first.

With Greene, i can't see someone as noticably lacking as him can argued for 1st? And also, considering he was so much better at other shows?

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2007, 05:25:01 PM »
look at rockel in the night show and u will see he didn't pose or present with any authority at all. Also, conditioning died off as the night went on. Night show is large part of the show and dont think his overall prsentation there deserved first.

With Greene, i can't see someone as noticably lacking as him can argued for 1st? And also, considering he was so much better at other shows?
He may have faded a bit but not by much to drop him from second to fourth, in my opinion.

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2007, 05:28:14 PM »
Darrem's quad sweep is terrible.

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Re: Kai Greene given a gift at the Colorado Pro .
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2007, 06:07:01 PM »
He may have faded a bit but not by much to drop him from second to fourth, in my opinion.



DSM18, I still had him in second for the very reason Lift provided. IMO his being placed in fourth was not a travesty, but curious at least. 
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