Humalog plus Giant Sets

[bigmac77]

Okay, I've posted this in two threads over at G&O, but those guys are to busy arguing over who called who fat. We all know the theory of Milos's giant sets and his 3 workout drinks, but we aren't totally clued in on the hormone protocol. In regards to the slin usage, it has always been said by all bodybuilders in the know to take it immediately after the workout to get the supercompensation effect. I'm thinking his clients use it PRIOR to the workout, which justifies the overwhelming amount of carbs during the workout. Example: Slin shot of Humalog at 5-8iu, 5-15 minutes later have your preworkout drink, begin workout and continue with the second workout drink. Workout should last 90-120 minutes, since that is how long the slin will last. Post workout have you last workout shake and the slin is pretty much out of the system and more than enough carbs are there in case hypo does creep up. The old saying has always been to never use slin prior to workout unless you really know your body and how it will react. Well look at his clients, I believe its safe to say they all know more than enough about how there body will react to slin. In the GH15 thread on Pros AAS dose, Milos claimed a dose of 1,000-1500mg a week. To me that is extremely justifiable,IF the slin is used this way.Less reliance would be needed with the other hormones, especially offseason. I'm sure you could make good gains without the slin as well, but not remarkable as with the slin. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Oh and newbies, do not even think about trying it!

[Captain Equipoise]

I've heard the same from a few pro's.. most guys nowadays are using less and less gear and more and more slin/gh/igf
there's a few guys that are masters of this.. R. Cziurlok apparently was the best in this.. Levrone as well

[SWOLETRAIN]

Okay, I've posted this in two threads over at G&O, but those guys are to busy arguing over who called who fat. We all know the theory of Milos's giant sets and his 3 workout drinks, but we aren't totally clued in on the hormone protocol. In regards to the slin usage, it has always been said by all bodybuilders in the know to take it immediately after the workout to get the supercompensation effect. I'm thinking his clients use it PRIOR to the workout, which justifies the overwhelming amount of carbs during the workout. Example: Slin shot of Humalog at 5-8iu, 5-15 minutes later have your preworkout drink, begin workout and continue with the second workout drink. Workout should last 90-120 minutes, since that is how long the slin will last. Post workout have you last workout shake and the slin is pretty much out of the system and more than enough carbs are there in case hypo does creep up. The old saying has always been to never use slin prior to workout unless you really know your body and how it will react. Well look at his clients, I believe its safe to say they all know more than enough about how there body will react to slin. In the GH15 thread on Pros AAS dose, Milos claimed a dose of 1,000-1500mg a week. To me that is extremely justifiable,IF the slin is used this way.Less reliance would be needed with the other hormones, especially offseason. I'm sure you could make good gains without the slin as well, but not remarkable as with the slin. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Oh and newbies, do not even think about trying it!

To me this entire protocol is unnecessary unless you are either pro and do this for a living, or at a highly competitive national level and have to break current plateau. not for somebody looking to get big or for the weekend warrior with a wife and kids st home. I have worked out with dudes on slin and sometimes it scared the shit out of me. They get this weird glare on their face when shits about to hit the fan. Distention is also a bitch... Better be damn sure of how your body will react prior to using this type of regimen.

[Arnold jr]

To me this entire protocol is unnecessary unless you are either pro and do this for a living, or at a highly competitive national level and have to break current plateau. not for somebody looking to get big or for the weekend warrior with a wife and kids st home. I have worked out with dudes on slin and sometimes it scared the shit out of me. They get this weird glare on their face when shits about to hit the fan. Distention is also a bitch... Better be damn sure of how your body will react prior to using this type of regimen.

Agreed. To add, there is no way to know if Milos has his clients follow this type of slin protocol...not unless you yourself were one of his clients...otherwise it's simply speculation and the truth could go either way IMO.

[bigmac77]

Trust me, I'm not even debating on trying this method. I'm just speculating here and just wanted to see what others thought. With the claims of 30-40 IB gains within a months time with the secret Milos drinks and "super supplements" I just wanted to see if their was a new twist to an old method of slin administration.

[trab]

Interesting food for though BigMac.
Swole Pretty much made a solid case against 99% of BBers messing with this protocol...

BUT   Something is clearly up for certain guys w/ the right genetics and slin/ HGH / diet.

Kevins ability to blow up like he did is amazing... Its just outrageous.
Im not detracting from all the work he put in at all...

But, Better NOT to die trying. Perhaps it scared him?

[bigmac77]

Interesting food for though BigMac.
Swole Pretty much made a solid case against 99% of BBers messing with this protocol...

BUT   Something is clearly up for certain guys w/ the right genetics and slin/ HGH / diet.

Kevins ability to blow up like he did is amazing... Its just outrageous.
Im not detracting from all the work he put in at all...

But, Better NOT to die trying. Perhaps it scared him?

If you think about it there are only three differences from todays guys and the guys from the 70's, pro bodybuilders that is. Both
had/have access to top of the line AAS, but the guys today have gh,igf and slin, and thats the difference. Now that these three
hormones have been in prominence for the last 15 years, you have to think out of the box and apply them in new and unique ways, at least for the pros, (not your local gym rat). And when Milos talks of his guys gaining 30-40 pounds in a month, it has to be a new way of harnessing these compounds.
Most guys can gain 20-30 pounds of weight on their VERY FIRST run of slin, but that is usually over a 2-3 month period. To gain 40 pounds
in one month,for a seasoned pro, the compounds would have to be used much differently, not only administering the compounds at specific times, but
the type of workout as well. Hence the giant sets, one bodypart a session, slin PRIOR to workout with the three nutrient dense drinks.
If this protocol was used right after a competition , or when bf % is very low and the body is starved, 40 pounds would be very possible.
As far as the GH and IGF, the protocols, I would imagine they are using more of a blast protocol. Also, these guys train
 in packs of two to five guys, and they all would know the signs of hypo and when to step in.These three compounds are why
Arnold only weighed 230 or so at competetion and Ronnie weighs upwards of 300 at competition. Sorry for the long winded post, just
something I've been thinking of for a while when the hysteria for these drinks started.

[GetBigOrDieTrying]

Ive taken slin and it makes me want to go to sleep I would hate to think what it feels like to try and train on it...

Ive taken a 3 iu shot of act rapid 2 hour before a work out with Vitargo , had a great pump but a very lazy not motivated type of work out.

I wouldnt mess around with slin to much like I did. I wont take it again and I used low dose always under 7 iu.

[MaTrlx]

I have only tried slin once in my lifetime with just a 10iu shot and it was hell of an experience. Did it to carb up hugely a day out of the contest (big mistake)) and ended up being smooth as hell the next day.

Funny thing is that is made me very sleepy too, felt like i could sleep till the next day and had to resist the temptation to doze off while i was stuffing myself silly with 10 potatoes at a go. It may work for me post-workout but hell no for pre-workout. Dont wanna doze off while on the bench or riding the cardio bike!

Insulin is a very interesting compound i must say which takes many times of trial and error to find the right dose/timing combo to suit your body and make it work right for you, which i have yet to figure it out for myself.

[nder98]

Okay, I've posted this in two threads over at G&O, but those guys are to busy arguing over who called who fat. We all know the theory of Milos's giant sets and his 3 workout drinks, but we aren't totally clued in on the hormone protocol. In regards to the slin usage, it has always been said by all bodybuilders in the know to take it immediately after the workout to get the supercompensation effect. I'm thinking his clients use it PRIOR to the workout, which justifies the overwhelming amount of carbs during the workout. Example: Slin shot of Humalog at 5-8iu, 5-15 minutes later have your preworkout drink, begin workout and continue with the second workout drink. Workout should last 90-120 minutes, since that is how long the slin will last. Post workout have you last workout shake and the slin is pretty much out of the system and more than enough carbs are there in case hypo does creep up. The old saying has always been to never use slin prior to workout unless you really know your body and how it will react. Well look at his clients, I believe its safe to say they all know more than enough about how there body will react to slin. In the GH15 thread on Pros AAS dose, Milos claimed a dose of 1,000-1500mg a week. To me that is extremely justifiable,IF the slin is used this way.Less reliance would be needed with the other hormones, especially offseason. I'm sure you could make good gains without the slin as well, but not remarkable as with the slin. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Oh and newbies, do not even think about trying it!

Honestly, I would never mess with POST slin shots, seems too risky for ME. Anyone else maybe different.. I very sensitive to humalog and always pounded at least 130 grams of carbs after with 10 units. Even then sometimes when its peaking and I just walked up the stairs I almost went hypo. I guess everyone is different though. I was always curious about post shots. Maybe a 2 or 3 unit you can get away with but anything more would be dangerous IMO....

[bigmac77]

Honestly, I would never mess with POST slin shots, seems too risky for ME. Anyone else maybe different.. I very sensitive to humalog and always pounded at least 130 grams of carbs after with 10 units. Even then sometimes when its peaking and I just walked up the stairs I almost went hypo. I guess everyone is different though. I was always curious about post shots. Maybe a 2 or 3 unit you can get away with but anything more would be dangerous IMO....

I assume you mean PRE and not POST. It would be extremely risky, but the people I am referring to have years and years of experience. To do it pre workout, you would not need as much as postworkout anyways, so 2-3iu would probably be optimal. Think about it this way, by doing giant sets, on only one bodypart at a time, the body will use all its energy to send all it's recuperative measures to that one bodypart. It will do a good job of this on its own, but add in a supercarrier, exogenous slin, along with a LARGE amount of carbs and Protein(BCAA/EAA) and the rebuilding process has already begun to an exagerated extent. For years bodybuilders have taken slin postworkout and it has always worked and always will. This is just a different approach, way to risky for 99.9% of us, but it is interesting to discuss.

[nder98]

I assume you mean PRE and not POST. It would be extremely risky, but the people I am referring to have years and years of experience. To do it pre workout, you would not need as much as postworkout anyways, so 2-3iu would probably be optimal. Think about it this way, by doing giant sets, on only one bodypart at a time, the body will use all its energy to send all it's recuperative measures to that one bodypart. It will do a good job of this on its own, but add in a supercarrier, exogenous slin, along with a LARGE amount of carbs and Protein(BCAA/EAA) and the rebuilding process has already begun to an exagerated extent. For years bodybuilders have taken slin postworkout and it has always worked and always will. This is just a different approach, way to risky for 99.9% of us, but it is interesting to discuss.

Your right, I made a typo, I ment PRE.  Im just wondering if its the same rule of thumb with the amount of carbs taken in for pre slin use? It is a very interesting topic and heard the pumps are insane, I just hate taking that chance of going hypo in the middle of the gym...