could crocop beat up rampage jackson in a fight

[JOHN MATRIX]

have these 2 ever fought? i saw a special on rampage yesterday and im suprised he hasnt killed anyone

[Fury]

have these 2 ever fought? i saw a special on rampage yesterday and im suprised he hasnt killed anyone

Yes, he would dismantle Rampage. Rampage got annihilated twice by Wandy and we all saw what CroCop did to him. It would be ugly.

[americanbulldog]

Yes, he would dismantle Rampage. Rampage got annihilated twice by Wandy and we all saw what CroCop did to him. It would be ugly.

Come on BF, we all know MMAth is flawed.   

BJ Penn beats Matt Hughes, Matt Hughes beats GSP, then BJ should beat GSP? 

[Fury]

Come on BF, we all know MMAth is flawed.   

BJ Penn beats Matt Hughes, Matt Hughes beats GSP, then BJ should beat GSP? 

You really think Rampage could beat CroCop? I doubt it. CroCop's bigger, stronger and faster. It's not like Rampage would be slamming him anytime during the fight. Couple that with CroCop's takedown defense and it'd be a standup war that Rampage would lose. And before everyone starts chiming in with "but Rampage knocked out CHUCK LIDDELL," it was a 30 second fight, one punch KO and Rampage hasn't done shit in years. The guy's one of my favorite fighters but to think he'd beat CC is foolish.





Also, BJ should beat GSP. MMAth is fun to use sometimes. It's hard to use with BJ and GSP because BJ never fights to his potential and GSP is always hurt or something stupid like that.

[Earl1972]

cro cop would beat him 8-9 out of 10 times

all it takes is one lucky punch ie kevin randleman

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[americanbulldog]

You really think Rampage could beat CroCop? I doubt it. CroCop's bigger, stronger and faster. It's not like Rampage would be slamming him anytime during the fight. Couple that with CroCop's takedown defense and it'd be a standup war that Rampage would lose. And before everyone starts chiming in with "but Rampage knocked out CHUCK LIDDELL," it was a 30 second fight, one punch KO and Rampage hasn't done shit in years. The guy's one of my favorite fighters but to think he'd beat CC is foolish.





Also, BJ should beat GSP. MMAth is fun to use sometimes. It's hard to use with BJ and GSP because BJ never fights to his potential and GSP is always hurt or something stupid like that.

BJ works against the MMAth analogy.  Page's style is unique in that he normally doesn't shoot to get takedowns.  Takedowns result of his being in the clinch.  He LOVEs the highcrotch slam, I think he'd be able to work his way in with his hands, clinch, and then get the TD out of the clinch.  He has a tough as nails jaw, has good defensive stucture (shelling, crazy monkey, any other name you want to call it) has KO power in both hands, rarely uses kicks.  CC would settle into a striking match and Page would land a heavy shot to damage CC and get inside, then it would be slam city.  CC's takedown defense is legendary off the shoot.  Page wouldn't shoot.  Page wins 6 out of 10 times.  IMHO

[Fury]

BJ works against the MMAth analogy.  Page's style is unique in that he normally doesn't shoot to get takedowns.  Takedowns result of his being in the clinch.  He LOVEs the highcrotch slam, I think he'd be able to work his way in with his hands, clinch, and then get the TD out of the clinch.  He has a tough as nails jaw, has good defensive stucture (shelling, crazy monkey, any other name you want to call it) has KO power in both hands, rarely uses kicks.  CC would settle into a striking match and Page would land a heavy shot to damage CC and get inside, then it would be slam city.  CC's takedown defense is legendary off the shoot.  Page wouldn't shoot.  Page wins 6 out of 10 times.  IMHO

I don't think he has the strength to get inside and go with his normal takedowns against CroCop. I'm not saying his strength is weak but CroCop is arguably one of the strongest fighters around. I still remember him completely overpowering a Coleman that was driving into him with everything he had. I don't see him tagging CC well enough to be able to catch him inside for a slam. His boxing isn't that good. I have him winning 2/3 out of 10 times, based on either CroCop carelessness or another factor causing CroCop not to fight to his potential.

I think they call his defense the Chicken Wing defense. The Philly Shell defense (if that's what you're talking about) is a different technique.

I can actually see him getting his head taken off by a CC high kick. He fights carelessly sometimes.

Anyways, here's one of my favorite CC highlights.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3958472439361488216&q=crocop+highlight

[americanbulldog]

I don't think he has the strength to get inside and go with his normal takedowns against CroCop. I'm not saying his strength is weak but CroCop is arguably one of the strongest fighters around. I still remember him completely overpowering a Coleman that was driving into him with everything he had. I don't see him tagging CC well enough to be able to catch him inside for a slam. His boxing isn't that good. I have him winning 2/3 out of 10 times, based on either CroCop carelessness or another factor causing CroCop not to fight to his potential.

I think they call his defense the Chicken Wing defense. The Philly Shell defense (if that's what you're talking about) is a different technique.

I can actually see him getting his head taken off by a CC high kick. He fights carelessly sometimes.

Anyways, here's one of my favorite CC highlights.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3958472439361488216&q=crocop+highlight

Mirko is careless as well.  Mirko is also a bully, who when things don't go well for him, he has a tendency to back off.  (See Mark Hunt fight in Pride)  Page has a HARD head, he took sixteen knees to the kisser in the first Wandy fight.  Page is STRONG. 

[Fury]

Mirko is careless as well.  Mirko is also a bully, who when things don't go well for him, he has a tendency to back off.  (See Mark Hunt fight in Pride)  Page has a HARD head, he took sixteen knees to the kisser in the first Wandy fight.  Page is STRONG. 

Yeah, 16 knees to the kisser and hasn't been the same fighter since.

Let's keep in mind in that Mark Hunt fight he was fighting on a broken foot. I'd fight defensively too if my biggest weapon was in a few pieces.

I'm not saying he's not strong. But Mirko is ridiculously strong too. He threw Aleks and Coleman around like they were ragdolls. And Aleks is easily 270 and carrying at least a 50+ pound weight advantage on Mirko.

[americanbulldog]

Yeah, 16 knees to the kisser and hasn't been the same fighter since.

Let's keep in mind in that Mark Hunt fight he was fighting on a broken foot. I'd fight defensively too if my biggest weapon was in a few pieces.

I'm not saying he's not strong. But Mirko is ridiculously strong too. He threw Aleks and Coleman around like they were ragdolls. And Aleks is easily 270 and carrying at least a 50+ pound weight advantage on Mirko.

I don't buy that he isn't the same fighter.  Page has problems against fighters who use the muay thai plum (Wandy 2X, Shogun, Ninja, whom he should have lost to).  Mirko does not use the plum like the Chute Boxe fighters, if anything, he pushes off and gets back to kicking, punching range.  Page walks at 220, and according to Randy, is one of the strongest guys he has pummeled with. 

[Fury]

I don't buy that he isn't the same fighter.  Page has problems against fighters who use the muay thai plum (Wandy 2X, Shogun, Ninja, whom he should have lost to).  Mirko does not use the plum like the Chute Boxe fighters, if anything, he pushes off and gets back to kicking, punching range.  Page walks at 220, and according to Randy, is one of the strongest guys he has pummeled with. 

Maybe it's just me that's seen him do nothing over the last 3 years besides KO an overrated Chuck Liddell 45 seconds into a fight with one punch and wiggle out decisions against second tier fighters.

It would be an entirely different ball game when he tries to close the distance against a striker of CC's caliber. He wouldn't get kneed on the way in but he sure as hell would get picked apart by the punches. CC can throw a decent knee when he needs to and Page might have the worst defense against the clinch I've ever seen next to Rich Franklin of course.

CC's amazing at keeping the distance between his opponents so expecting Page to close that distance enough to slam a fighter that's stronger than him without getting annihilated on the way in would be a mighty feat.

[americanbulldog]

Maybe it's just me that's seen him do nothing over the last 3 years besides KO an overrated Chuck Liddell 45 seconds into a fight with one punch and wiggle out decisions against second tier fighters.

It would be an entirely different ball game when he tries to close the distance against a striker of CC's caliber. He wouldn't get kneed on the way in but he sure as hell would get picked apart by the punches. CC can throw a decent knee when he needs to and Page might have the worst defense against the clinch I've ever seen next to Rich Franklin of course.

CC's amazing at keeping the distance between his opponents so expecting Page to close that distance enough to slam a fighter that's stronger than him without getting annihilated on the way in would be a mighty feat.

Crocop had a helluva time with Napao when Napao had top on him.  When standing, his strength comes from his hips and he can push out of the temple block.  His knees are an underated tool that he needs to utilize more.  His left cross is another weapon I wished he threw more.  Page was able to take Lindland down twice, and he did it out of the clinch.  I think he could get past Mirko's hands to pick him up. 

[LatsMcGee]

When Crocop is on he can beat just about anyone.  If Mirko doesn't get off first he seems to have issues. 

[americanbulldog]

When Crocop is on he can beat just about anyone.  If Mirko doesn't get off first he seems to have issues. 

Finally someone else who sees my point of view.  That is why he wasn't a K1 champ, and wasn't Pride heavyweight champ. 

[Fury]

Finally someone else who sees my point of view.  That is why he wasn't a K1 champ, and wasn't Pride heavyweight champ. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with that point of view. I just see Mirko being too sound technically and smart to let Rampage get close enough to do what he does best. It'd be an interesting fight. Good to know I'm not the only one that thinks Mirko can throw a decent knee out of the clinch.

[Faust]

Crocop his head is into schooling right now. 

[americanbulldog]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with that point of view. I just see Mirko being too sound technically and smart to let Rampage get close enough to do what he does best. It'd be an interesting fight. Good to know I'm not the only one that thinks Mirko can throw a decent knee out of the clinch.

Both Coleman and Randleman got Mirko in the clinch, both attempted double leg takedowns.  Page KOed Randleman because of the clinch.  He slammed Olympic Silver medalist Matt Lindland out of the clinch, TWICE.  Rampage's achilles heel has been his plum defense, something Mirko does not use ala Muay thai trained fighters.  Walking weight for both of them is very close, I think it would be a good fight.  (I was on record predicting Page's dismantling of Chuck)  Styles make fights, and stylistically, Page matches up well against Mirko.  Hendo, though is gonna give Page problems. 

[Fury]

Both Coleman and Randleman got Mirko in the clinch, both attempted double leg takedowns.  Page KOed Randleman because of the clinch.  He slammed Olympic Silver medalist Matt Lindland out of the clinch, TWICE.  Rampage's achilles heel has been his plum defense, something Mirko does not use ala Muay thai trained fighters.  Walking weight for both of them is very close, I think it would be a good fight.  (I was on record predicting Page's dismantling of Chuck)  Styles make fights, and stylistically, Page matches up well against Mirko.  Hendo, though is gonna give Page problems. 

Right now I'm leaning towards Hendo grinding out a decision.

[gymrat75]

Tito beat Wandy
Chuck Lidell beat Tito
Wandy beat Page
Page beat Chuck Lidell

Go Figure.............

[milfer]

the only person crocop can't beat when he's on is fedor. plus their's no such thing as a lucky punch in fighting.

[Truman]

Crocop's not unbeatable, any of the top fighter in that division could have a chance of beating crocop. Saying that I would say that if they were both at their best Crocop should beat him..but not dismantle him, only someone with a good muay thai clinch and vicious knees could do that.

[Fury]

Rampage is so overrated it's sad.

[Truman]

I think it's the opposite..Rampage is underrated, I'm not saying he one of the greats. People go on about Chuck and how great he is all the time, but his technique is sloppy, he got dominated by Rampage the first time they fought and have to give up, his flaws were exposed and he got knocked out the second time. I just think he has great stamina, is strong, can take shots, and can throw them as well, thats gonna make it tough for any stand up fighter to destroy him.

[Fury]

How is he underrated? What has he done in the last 4 years, besides knock out an incredibly overrated Liddell in one punch? He's done nothing since the first time he beat Chuck, unless you count getting three of the worst beatdowns in MMA history to be something. Beat Hendo and he might be considered elite.