Jesus and God - The thing with them being the same person

[Hustle Man]

ok, so let me get this straight.........    no one can believe in Jesus on their own, the father (Jesus, HS) has to draw them? 

So True Christians are chosen?

If yes, then why even try and give testimony?

why try and spread the good news if God will draw who he chooses anyway?

Because,

Romans 10:13-18

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

We are to spread the Gospel into all the earth!

Matthew 24:14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

We share our faith in obedience to the call of salvation and the marching orders given by Jesus!

This should help!

[loco]

The Amalekites had no children?  right.   

Fact is if you destroy an entire nation as describe in the Bible you are destroying the children too.   I'm not saying God shouldn't have destroyed murderers.   So don't try an put words in my mouth.  Read the words for what they are not for how you can  attempt to twist them around.

Com on loco.  please, let's try  not to be so silly.



Yeah,  they loved them to death. 

 

Did I say they had no children?  You said they were "an entire nation of children" who got speared in the belly by Israel.

OzmO,
I love you man, but sometimes you can be a drama queen.

Are you 100% certain, and would you bet your body and soul on it that this God who ordered Israel to destroy these murderers is not the One True God, your Creator?

[OzmO]

Did I say they had no children?  You said they were "an entire nation of children" who got speared in the belly by Israel.

OzmO,
I love you man, but sometimes you can be a drama queen.

Here's what you said:

We don't know how many children they had if they had any at all.

You are the one who suggested an entire nation of people didn't have children NOT me.

But you are correct in one thing:  Entire nation of children can be interpreted as a nation of people with out adults.

The more accurate way of saying it would be a Nation of people and their children.

I'm sure you knew exactly what i meant.....

Are you 100% certain, and would you bet your body and soul on it that this God who ordered Israel to destroy these murderers is not the One True God, your Creator?

No, I am certain that the SOB who said GOD told him to slaughter children is lying.

Therefore in my mind the Bible is not the 100% word of God and cast doubt on the many other vicious, jealous and violent acts int he OT.

[OzmO]

Because,

Romans 10:13-18

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

We are to spread the Gospel into all the earth!

Matthew 24:14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

We share our faith in obedience to the call of salvation and the marching orders given by Jesus!

This should help!

HM thanks for spending time explaining this to me, but it still doesn't make sense.

first you point out:

No one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws him/her! You can use whatever verb you want but NO ONE has the power to believe on Jesus on their own volition!

But then you point out:

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

which is it?  or is it both?

[Hustle Man]

The Amalekites were enemies with Israel wars do/did happen guy! The Amalekites distroyed many Israelites as well!

[Hustle Man]

HM thanks for spending time explaining this to me, but it still doesn't make sense.

first you point out:

But then you point out:

which is it?  or is it both?

Both!

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

[Hustle Man]

You have to read the scriptures in their entirety bro we can't pull out what suits or individual beliefs!

Point is we are commanded to witness and the Holy Spirit does the rest!

Cut and dry this is our duty to God, yes we fall short but we have to spread the word daily and to as many that will receive the word! Yes we will encounter rejection and disbelief more often than not but it is for God's glory that we preach the Gospel in hopes that God will take the grab a hold of some.

I do not come into this pulpit hoping that perhaps somebody will of his own free will return to Christ. My hope lies in another quarter. I hope that my Master will lay hold of some of them and say, "You are mine, and you shall be mine. I claim you for myself." My hope arises from the freeness of grace, and not from the freedom of the will.
Charles Haddon Spurgeon

[OzmO]

The Amalekites were enemies with Israel wars do/did happen guy! The Amalekites distroyed many Israelites as well!

What the Amalekites adults did is not the issue here, Why is it so hard for you or loco to comprehend this in my responses?  why do you always go back to what the adults were doing? 

We all know that, it's not about that, it's about slaughtering children as something "god" would do.


For God assuming his Jesus persona existed then , to order the slaughter of children is not consistent with Jesus's teachings.

[OzmO]

You have to read the scriptures in their entirety bro we can't pull out what suits or individual beliefs!

that's interesting.   I've never seen a person follow the bible 100%.  It's always been tainted with individual or anothers, be it organized religion's or some alleged holy man's, personal interpretation.

Otherwise there would be no debate on the "word" and there would be just one denomination in Christianity. 

[nzhardgain]

What the Amalekites adults did is not the issue here, Why is it so hard for you or loco to comprehend this in my responses?  why do you always go back to what the adults were doing? 

We all know that, it's not about that, it's about slaughtering children as something "god" would do.


For God assuming his Jesus persona existed then , to order the slaughter of children is not consistent with Jesus's teachings.

They would of kept coming back until Israel was dead.The male children were a lot tougher than i think you can picture.It had gotten that bad.

[OzmO]

They would of kept coming back until Israel was dead.The male children were a lot tougher than i think you can picture.It had gotten that bad.

yeah 3 year old boys and girls are very set in their ways and are very dangerous.   Good thing someone invented sesame street.

[Hustle Man]

What the Amalekites adults did is not the issue here, Why is it so hard for you or loco to comprehend this in my responses?  why do you always go back to what the adults were doing? 

We all know that, it's not about that, it's about slaughtering children as something "god" would do.


For God assuming his Jesus persona existed then , to order the slaughter of children is not consistent with Jesus's teachings.

That is a good question/debate; 
God's wrath/judgments on the unrighteous in the old testament  as compared to Jesus' teachings on forgiveness, love, turning the other cheek and judging others. I will attempt to answer this to the best of my ability as soon as I can.

Keep in mind the plan of God is progressive so we need to look at the progression of the plan from the fall to the redemption. be back shortly

[nuyork143]

or Catholicism   

hahahaha