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Venison
« on: September 15, 2007, 08:40:58 AM »
It's opening day (bow).

I know a lot of guys who would be happy to package whatever I want while they are field dressing.

What do I want?

Heart, lungs, pancreas, liver, stomach...  ?  What else?  They will also give me any leftover scrap during the processing stage.
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Re: Venison
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2007, 08:50:28 AM »
It's opening day (bow).

I know a lot of guys who would be happy to package whatever I want while they are field dressing.

What do I want?

Heart, lungs, pancreas, liver, stomach...  ?  What else?  They will also give me any leftover scrap during the processing stage.

I know it is for animals but yuck  :-X

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Re: Venison
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2007, 08:54:52 AM »
i live a little too far away for delievery.... and i think the mailman might object...  ;D

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Re: Venison
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2007, 09:13:31 AM »
Avoid all nervous tissue meat---the brain, any backbones etc.  I don't know where you live, but I'd be careful with nervous tissue because of CWD.  Also I'd avoid the kidneys because of risk of Lepto--its possible for a deer to have a subclinical infection and not show outward signs, but the kidneys are loaded with Lepto bacteria.  If its systemic--meaning lepto has led to kidney failure or is in organs other than the kidney, such as the lung, liver, or reproductive organs the deer should appear sick---and not be one that a human would eat.   Again Lepto prevelance depends on what part of the US you live in. 

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Re: Venison
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2007, 10:09:50 AM »
becareful the deer doesn't have lyme disease


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Re: Venison
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2007, 10:34:11 AM »
Avoid all nervous tissue meat---the brain, any backbones etc.  I don't know where you live, but I'd be careful with nervous tissue because of CWD.  Also I'd avoid the kidneys because of risk of Lepto--its possible for a deer to have a subclinical infection and not show outward signs, but the kidneys are loaded with Lepto bacteria.  If its systemic--meaning lepto has led to kidney failure or is in organs other than the kidney, such as the lung, liver, or reproductive organs the deer should appear sick---and not be one that a human would eat.   Again Lepto prevelance depends on what part of the US you live in. 

The DNR seems to have the CWD situation under control.  I'm in SE Wisconsin.  So what specific organs should I request or should I just say "thanks but no thanks"?

becareful the deer doesn't have lyme disease


and.... how would I know that?
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Re: Venison
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2007, 11:09:46 AM »


and.... how would I know that?


pretty hard....you're just taking a chance.

Some areas are more prone than others.  My father, who used to hunt a lot, basically wont eat venison anymore because of the area where he lives is very prone to lyme disease.

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Re: Venison
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2007, 06:13:03 PM »
pretty hard....you're just taking a chance.

Some areas are more prone than others.  My father, who used to hunt a lot, basically wont eat venison anymore because of the area where he lives is very prone to lyme disease.


Thats being kind of silly.....


There has been quite a bit of discussion/studies about the possibilities of hunters contracting lyme disease from deer that are "carriers".  The general consensus is that as long as the meat is adequately cooked, the risk is basically nonexistant.  Now if you are eating raw meat, then the risk is increased, but even then it's not a guarantee.  You can even get a adult tick housing borellia burgdorfi (the organism that causes lyme disease) and remove that tick and as long as you remove it gently, without traumatizing the tick, never develop the disease.  The majority of lyme disease cases reported have invovled bites with nymph stage ticks, not adults. 

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Re: Venison
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2007, 06:15:34 PM »

Thats being kind of silly.....


There has been quite a bit of discussion/studies about the possibilities of hunters contracting lyme disease from deer that are "carriers".  The general consensus is that as long as the meat is adequately cooked, the risk is basically nonexistant.  Now if you are eating raw meat, then the risk is increased, but even then it's not a guarantee.  You can even get a adult tick housing borellia burgdorfi (the organism that causes lyme disease) and remove that tick and as long as you remove it gently, without traumatizing the tick, never develop the disease.  The majority of lyme disease cases reported have invovled bites with nymph stage ticks, not adults. 

yeah...but it's not 100% vet

there are always risks.

Secondly.....I'm not sure....but Princess L may want it for raw purposes

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Re: Venison
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2007, 06:28:30 PM »
yeah...but it's not 100% vet

there are always risks.

Secondly.....I'm not sure....but Princess L may want it for raw purposes

oh, I don't disagree, I just like deer meat too much.    I don't think the risk is great enough to warrant not eating it if you really like it.  Just make sure its cooked. 


And I wouldn't feed it raw.   The thing is a deer with lyme disease should have many of the symptoms that other animals with the disease have--it'd obviously be one that wouldn't be good for human consumption.  The person doing the butchering should have enough wherewith all to recognize that. 


Remember the life cycle of lyme disease isn't really a simple one.  There are key componants to the Lyme disease triangle: the deer tick, the white-footed deer mouse (in the Eastern US) and the white-tail deer. In the spring, hibernating female deer ticks start to become active when the weather warms. Eggs are deposited in the leaf litter on the ground. A short time later a deer tick larva hatches from the egg. A larva cannot carry the disease (i.e., it cannot be passed from infected adult female to egg to larva). The new larva must find a mammal to feed on or it will die. The most likely foodsources are small mammals such as mice, squirrels, etc. If the small mammal is carrying the bacterial disease it is passed on to the deer tick larva. This is where the white footed deer mouse is so importnat becaus ethis is a major source of lyme disease infection for ticks.

After the larva has fed successfully, it drops off the mammal, molts and turns into a nymph.  The deer tick will remain a nymph throughout the summer. Meanwhile, if it has been infected with Lyme disease, the bacteria will begin to multiply within the body of the host (carrier) deer tick nymph. The nymph will overwinter until the following spring.  By spring the nymph must get another blood meal or it will starve.  This is the time that an infected deer tick is most likely to give the disease to a human or a dog or any other mammal.  Remember in a human, infected deer tick nymph must feed for at least 24 hours to transfer enough bacteria to cause an infection. This is very important to remember because simply removing ticks from yourself and your dog after going out into the woods or using a good flea and tick preventative will virtually eliminate the risk of infection with lyme disease. 

Each nymph will feed only once. After it feeds, it molts and turns into the adult form in mid to late summer.  The adult deer tick needs a blood meal in order to mate and manufacture eggs. The most likely host for deer tick adults is the white-tailed deer.  This is the primary association with deer that we think of with lyme disease.   As you can see the risk of deer getting the organism is actually relatively low. 

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Re: Venison
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2007, 06:38:23 PM »

What do I want?

Heart, lungs, pancreas, liver, stomach...  ? 


you're gross

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Re: Venison
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2007, 09:15:09 PM »
I think Knny has Lyme disease  ;D
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