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my 2nd cycle
« on: September 25, 2007, 11:52:21 PM »
i wanted to know if you guys thought test E or sus my cycle plan is:
1-10 500mgs of test e or sus
1-8 deca 400mgs
1-1o nolva 15mgs
10-14 nolva 40mgs
10-14 clomid start and 150mgs and drop it by 50mgs every ten days
**** i cant get hcg at least i dont think i havent been able to yet, but i can get letrozole and i wondered if it would be worth using some guys said only to prevent gyno if i felt symptoms were coming buttt another dude on here said it would make you shredded so i would like to use it for even that purpose alone please critique the cycle please. this is my second cycle that i have done my first none of you will approve... it was eq 600mgs for 12 weeks  gained about 15lbs lost about 7lbs of that. got strong but not as much size i felt for my strength wasnt not reallly complaining though cause i kept almost all my strength gains depending on the lift any help is appreciated thankss
 

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Re: my 2nd cycle
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2007, 04:58:54 AM »
Cycle min 12-16week.
1-12 sust 500mg
1-10 deca 200mg
Pct 10-14 nolva 40,30,20,20 maybe some clomid after that if needed

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Re: my 2nd cycle
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2007, 05:00:44 AM »
Go w/ TE. Most Sus out there is not legit unless in 1cc amps.
ANd unless you have lots of experience or  chem/ Bio chem/ pharma knowldge,
 knowing what Testo blood  level you have going w/ sus is gona be a problem for you.

Letro AND Nolva IMO IN STOCK. Nothing wrong w/ a good assortment of Ai's.
Foolish to start a course w/ out them on hand.

400-600mg Te for 3-4 months  with
1/2 as much Deca (200-400max) for 3-4 weeks less than the Testo is run.

If you want to be "Hard" Letro will likely help that.
If you want Max Size while on, skip any Ai or nolva untill/ unless necessary. (and Post cycle of course)
I personaly tapper test down to 200mg every 5th day over the last month.

You'll live w/ out HCG.

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Re: my 2nd cycle
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2007, 06:27:06 AM »
i wanted to know if you guys thought test E or sus my cycle plan is:
1-10 500mgs of test e or sus
1-8 deca 400mgs
1-1o nolva 15mgs
10-14 nolva 40mgs
10-14 clomid start and 150mgs and drop it by 50mgs every ten days
**** i cant get hcg at least i dont think i havent been able to yet, but i can get letrozole and i wondered if it would be worth using some guys said only to prevent gyno if i felt symptoms were coming buttt another dude on here said it would make you shredded so i would like to use it for even that purpose alone please critique the cycle please. this is my second cycle that i have done my first none of you will approve... it was eq 600mgs for 12 weeks  gained about 15lbs lost about 7lbs of that. got strong but not as much size i felt for my strength wasnt not reallly complaining though cause i kept almost all my strength gains depending on the lift any help is appreciated thankss
 

Cycle length 12 week minimum, preferably 16.

Test e over sus for a newbie, although this is based more on personal preference than actual science.

Deca to test ratio is too high.  If your set on deca, drop it to 250mg.  For newbies, I would actually rather see EQ.  Your newbie test dose is reasonable at 500mg, and I think it just doesn't allow a high enough deca  to get any real growth from it.  I would recommend EQ at 400mg instead.

Nolva is good for PCT, but not an ideal choice as your anti-estrogen during cycle.  This is for two reasons.  Nolva acts as a powerful estrogen at abdominal fat stores, so while it is a very good estrogen blocker at periareolar sites, it will not be favorable around the midsection.  Also, it inhibits IGF-1 production by the liver, which may be OK during the short course of PCT, but not something I would want to experience over a 12 week or longer cycle.  Use Arimidex or letrozole instead.

Nolva at 40mg per day during PCT is probably overkill.  It's expensive and you can save half the cost by using 20mg per day.  Obviously, if you noticed some estrogenic sides during PCT from the unopposed estrogen in your system you could bump it up but this probably will not be necessary.

As many on here know, I am a fan of low-dose hcg throughout the cycle.  Your balls will thank you some day. 

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Re: my 2nd cycle
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2007, 12:59:59 PM »
hey freak......im a little confused did you say dont use the nolva? and use letro instead or did you say drop the novla dose down and use letro with it??? im gonna try to see if i can hcg but im not sure if i can i can get the others for sure though... and do you think about running a small amt of nolva throughout take away from gains..plus should i start pct 15 days after my last deca shot or after the test shot???

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Re: my 2nd cycle
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2007, 03:02:57 PM »
hey freak......im a little confused did you say dont use the nolva? and use letro instead or did you say drop the novla dose down and use letro with it???

and do you think about running a small amt of nolva throughout take away from gains..

plus should i start pct 15 days after my last deca shot or after the test shot???

To answer your questions:

1. I only use Nolva for PCT.  I do not use it as an anti-estrogen during the cycle itself.  For that, I use Arimidex (or letrozole is fine).  During PCT, I only use 20mg per day for 4 weeks, and I do not run letro with it.  (Of note, on my present cycle I am experimenting with low dose Arimidex [0.5mg per day] for the first 2 weeks of PCT concomitantly with Nolva).

2. Again, I gave my thoughts on Nolva during cycle--I don't think I could have made it any clearer. 

3.  This question makes no sense.  You are stopping the deca 2 weeks before the test ends.  The answer is "yes" to both of these parts of your question (am I missing something here?)

I like to stop deca 2-4 weeks before the end of my cycle, and I like to switch to a shorter acting ester (test prop) for my last 4 weeks.  I then start PCT immediately after the last test shot. 

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Re: my 2nd cycle
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2007, 05:20:04 PM »
no you answered my question right after your number three comment thanks helping