Markus Ruhl is soft. Rockel got shafted

[GR]

well,making mass the main bb's goal and making them constantly seeking ways to put more pounds on their bodies made pro bodybuilding ugly.Full of mass monsters with bloated stomachs,oils in bad condition just ugly...

[Palpatine Q]

Good post, I disagree with the highlighted point, I think RR is every bit Melvins equal is shape size and structure and just over all looks the better bodybuilder. But the rest of it is spot on

Melvin is genetically head and shoulders above Rockel.

Ronnie does his homework and always looks good, but he's not an elite guy. needs more thickness

[Dballn247]

well,making mass the main bb's goal and making them constantly seeking ways to put more pounds on their bodies made pro bodybuilding ugly.Full of mass monsters with bloated stomachs,oils in bad condition just ugly...

It's not just mass, You need to have the structure to hold it. There are some really big guys out there with narrow shoulders that look like dog crap.  Conditioning ties it all together.

[wordy]

As to your argument that he is flawless.....well he is missing about 30lbs of mass.  When he does a FDB and you look at him from an off center angle you can see how much thickness he is missing in his chest. 

the way is pulling that FDB he has his back straight and his arms pulled back Markus is doing it different his back is bent forward and his arms are not pulled back so much so his chest looks thicker. Look at RR ST and you can see he has plenty of muscle on his chest

Being cut alone doesn't win shows.  You needs a good structure, muscle mass and conditioning.  The other guys that beat him had two out of the three, RR just brought the last of the three.  RR is great for what he is, but unless everyone over 5'6" dies, he's not going to be Mr. O.  He'd have a hard time getting past David Henry.

Sorry but there is no way on earth that Paco Bautista has better structure than RR. more muecle mass thats obvious, conditioning obviously goes to RR so RR should win with two out of the three categories you put foward

Melvin has wider shoulders and is capable of carrying more mass with an equal or slightly smaller waist than RR.  Hence better structure.  Just looks at what they both weigh.

I always thought melvin was quite narrow (seen him in person), and without seeing them next to each other could say one way or the other. Is capable can't really be used as an arguement as is something that has not happened. Could comment on what they both weigh though.

[GR]

ok,look at it this way,we have Jay Cutler as the best bodybuilder,mr.Olympia.Do you like this?

[GR]

Dballn247 i agree with what you say but the top names are all about mass,the bb that combines genetics,mass,condition,presentation,structure should win...

[Dballn247]

the way is pulling that FDB he has his back straight and his arms pulled back Markus is doing it different his back is bent forward and his arms are not pulled back so much so his chest looks thicker. Look at RR ST and you can see he has plenty of muscle on his chest

If he had enough mass, it wouldn't matter how he posed, he would look thick even in the transitions.

 Sorry but there is no way on earth that Paco Bautista has better structure than RR. more muecle mass thats obvious, conditioning obviously goes to RR so RR should win with two out of the three categories you put foward

If Rockell has a better structure than Paco, then how is it that his back is that much wider and thicker.  He's a bigger heavier boned guy capable of carrying much more muscle.

 I always thought melvin was quite narrow (seen him in person), and without seeing them next to each other could say one way or the other. Is capable can't really be used as an arguement as is something that has not happened. Could comment on what they both weigh though.

 

Melvin by far is not the widest pro.  It's about proportions shoulder width to waist.  Melvin without working out would still have a Mesomorph structure, while Rockell would have an ecto-mesomorph structure. 

Difference in stage weight is about 20 lbs give or take.

[GR]

and all that i wrote above must be equally combined so that the whole package is eye-pleasing...

[Elra]

Martin Kjällström got shafted he should have been 2nd after Ronny Rockel

[Hunter86]

Best bodybuilder in the world

agreed

[BayGBM]

Martin Kjällström got shafted he should have been 2nd after Ronny Rockel

I was sort of thinking the same thing... but I dunno.  I’d have to study the comparison shots before I said that with conviction.  This is the best I’ve seen Martin look though. 

[WOOO]

agreed rockel looked awesome

[SWOLETRAIN]

Rockell is nothing from the back shots. If he had a back, hed be with vic dex top 6 material

[BayGBM]

Rockel beats Ruhl!

[WOOO]

Rockel beats Ruhl!

christ ruhl is huge!!!!! 

[BayGBM]

Rockell is nothing from the back shots. If he had a back, hed be with vic dex top 6 material

You shouldn't get points just for being taller. 

[Dballn247]

Lets not get it twisted, Rockell looked good on his own, but disappeared when he stood next to the bigger guys.

[Palpatine Q]

Lets not get it twisted, Rockell looked good on his own, but disappeared when he stood next to the bigger guys.

Geez, I had no Idea he was that short.

[BayGBM]

Lets not get it twisted, Rockell looked good on his own, but disappeared when he stood next to the bigger guys.

Being bigger because you are taller does not make one a better bodybuilder.  I like bigger guys too, but Rockel simply out conditions Ruhl, plus he has better aethetics.  Ruhl looks lumpy and was holding water. 

[Dballn247]

Being bigger because you are taller does not make one a better bodybuilder.  I like bigger guys too, but Rockel simply out conditions Ruhl, plus he has better aethetics.  Ruhl looks lumpy and was holding water. 

Agreed, he was better conditioned, however, he just does not look as impressive when next to the bigger guys.  And the contest is primarily judged in comparison rounds.  So when standing next to freaks, being super shredded doesn't really matter.  Judges just look at how much less muscle he has.  This is a pro BB show.  Not a weight class show.  He could have done well if there were weight classes, however as a pro you are up against everyone.  Most BB fans that go to shows don't really care if the guy is that cut, most of them don't have the seats to appreciate it anyway.  They want to see the freaks.  In the posedowns when everyone is out, it looks bad for the little guy. 

NPC shows are judged evenly since there would not be a freak standing to the left or right of you until the overall if you make it that far.

Edit:  Ruhl also knew that he didn't really need to peak for this show, cause the O and the Grand Prix is a week away, easier to peak once and ride it out (as the Grand prix shows are back to back ) vs peaking and waiting a week to compete again. 

[WOOO]

Agreed, he was better conditioned, however, he just does not look as impressive when next to the bigger guys.   And the contest is primarily judged in comparison rounds.  So when standing next to freaks, being super shredded doesn't really matter.  Judges just look at how much less muscle he has.  This is a pro BB show.  Not a weight class show.  He could have done well if there were weight classes, however as a pro you are up against everyone.  Most BB fans that go to shows don't really care if the guy is that cut, most of them don't have the seats to appreciate it anyway.  They want to see the freaks.  In the posedowns when everyone is out, it looks bad for the little guy. 

NPC shows are judged evenly since there would not be a freak standing to the left or right of you until the overall if you make it that far.

Edit:  Ruhl also knew that he didn't really need to peak for this show, cause the O and the Grand Prix is a week away, easier to peak once and ride it out (as the Grand prix shows are back to back ) vs peaking and waiting a week to compete again. 

on any stage, during any era.... ruhl would be the biggest freak

[Robbie]

You shouldn't get points just for being taller. 

Exactly!

[Hypo]

Rockel should be used to getting the shaft. He always comes in well conditions and has great lines.

He has as good a structure as Chris Cormier, but is actually in shape at shows these days.