training shoulders

[bigsteal809]

Ive been doing front and side laterals for shoulders.  I'm looking to add more into my workout.. what else is good to add?  I perfer dumbbell or barbell only because thats what I have available.   

[The Squadfather]

no presses? that's like making chili without the meat or beans.

[mass 04]

Squads right pressing a heavy barbell or dumbells is what gives you the size.  You could also add bent laterals with a neutral grip for rear delts, and wipe grip upright rows, for these I keep my hands around 12 inches apart and lean slightly at the waist and pull to my chest, just my .02

[Meso_z]

no presses? that's like making chili without the meat or beans.

True.....ALWAYS a pressing move.

[John O]

For mass, like the others have said you got to do some type presses. Those other movements have there place of course,  but for mass, you got to press! 

[powerpack]

Side laterals, dumbell press and reverse flys (kneel on a bench with you head down on the padding and then just do flys in reverse with dumbells)

[thewickedtruth]

Two things above all else will blow your shoulders up and imho, you only need these two and these two only...upright rows, and seated overhead presses either with dumbbells, smith machine, freeweight barbell push presses, you name it. They build AWESOME shoulder strength and size.

[John O]

True, but upright rows destoryed my shoulders 

[thewickedtruth]

True, but upright rows destoryed my shoulders 

they did the same thing to mine until i change my grip width...span the hands abit wider and you get zero issues..even though you can only raise the bar to your nipple line...it still gets the job done.

[bigsteal809]

I'm going to switch off some old exercises and do barbell upright rows and probably these too..
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidAnterior/DBShoulderPress.html Thanks.

[candidizzle]

even if you dont want monster front delts.....even if you have a weak chest and your front delts over power them....

you still gotta do a pressing movement. just do behind the neck presses, but BE CAREFUL. you can injure yourself real easy doing them...but they can be an awesome way to put some serious mass on your entire shoulder, not just the front delt like most presssing movements that hardly incorporate the side delt at all.

[Bobby]

Dumbell presses
Barbell presses (alternate between behind the neck and in front for each workout)
Dumbell or cable side laterals
Dumbell or cable front raises
Barbell upright rows (aproximately shoulder width)
Cable cross rear delt (don't know what it's called, Coleman does it alot)

[bigsteal809]

These are some of the things I got now for shoulder training..

Front/Side Lateral
Snatch (dont know exact name, use it on exercise ball with db)
Bench Side (dont know name but same movement as side lateral just more bent in knee on bench)
DB Shoulder Press
Barbell Upright Row
Barbell Shrug 

I know that shrugs work more of the back but I just decided to put them in with shoulders.  Maybe i'll put them back into back day where I had them before.

[bigsteal809]

I'm still editing my routine but I do about 3 exercises for shoulders per workout along with shrugs at the end.  I'm thinking of switching shrugs to back day because I have only a few exercises for back and a lot for shoulder so moving shrugs will allow me to add maybe another shoulder exercise to my workout.  I dunno yet.. still figuring things out but I will see how it goes.  Thanks for the help.

[CalvinH]

no presses? that's like making chili without the meat or beans.

Truth

[theworm]

military presses and dumbell presses

screw that gay side lateral crap.  you need presses!

[The Squadfather]

military presses and dumbell presses

screw that gay side lateral crap.  you need presses!

nothing wrong with lateral raises as long as you're doing 3-4 sets of intense heavy presses but laterals without presses is just stupid and pointless.

[Bobby]

nothing wrong with lateral raises as long as you're doing 3-4 sets of intense heavy presses but laterals without presses is just stupid and pointless.

+1 have to get those presses in before doing the light stuff

[John O]

they did the same thing to mine until i change my grip width...span the hands abit wider and you get zero issues..even though you can only raise the bar to your nipple line...it still gets the job done.

Good advice! to late for me though my right shoulder hurts just to raise my arm! LOL But good tip for others to see!

[HERACLES]

even if you dont want monster front delts.....even if you have a weak chest and your front delts over power them....

you still gotta do a pressing movement. just do behind the neck presses, but BE CAREFUL. you can injure yourself real easy doing them...but they can be an awesome way to put some serious mass on your entire shoulder, not just the front delt like most presssing movements that hardly incorporate the side delt at all.

I wouldnt reccomend behind the neck, unless you go light and use it as a finisher..

[webcake]

I feel the whole behind-the-neck-presses debate is very overhyped. I, for one, perform my presses to the front of the body. But at saying that, i have performed them behind the neck, and they did not bother me at all. I feel it comes down to how flexible your shoulders are. If you have tight shoulders, that position would be very uncomfortable, but if you have relatively flexible shoulder/joints, they probably won't hurt you.

At saying that though, i still would recommend performing them in front of the body.

[wes]

If behind the neck presses bother your shoulders,bring the bart down to ear lobe level only and press just short of lockout............much easier on the joint and provides continuous tension as an added benefit.