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Kobe departure? This ride could make Laker faithful queasy
« on: October 16, 2007, 10:24:15 PM »
I think he is getting traded.   :'(

Kobe departure? This ride could make Laker faithful queasy
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
Updated: October 17, 2007

After the latest wild spin on the Kobe Coaster, another 24-hour scramble of disorienting turns and steep drops with No. 24, things were actually pretty clear at the end of the ride.


So clear that the end of the Kobe Bryant Era in Lakerland has never seemed closer.

The events of a zany Tuesday allowed for no other conclusion. You inevitably wondered, once your stomach settled, if the Lakers are going to have to live like this for the rest of Bryant's days in purple and gold, however many are left, with the smothering expectation that he's headed to the airport any minute.

It's difficult to believe otherwise when Kobe asks to skip his third successive practice to give his legs some rest … and is promptly asked by reporters if he thinks he's played his last game as a Laker.

It's especially difficult to imagine a different ending when the famously quotable and revealing Phil Jackson responds to almost every Kobe question he gets by saying he either can't comment or doesn't know the answer.

The Zen Master? At a loss for words? Dark days, indeed.

The Lakers, according to NBA front-office sources, have no looming intentions to initiate any Bryant trade discussions and would still prefer to hang onto to their most popular player since Magic Johnson. There is nonetheless a growing belief around the league that the proposals will be flooding in now and that Bryant will indeed be moved -- possibly even before the season starts -- after last week's admission from Lakers owner Jerry Buss that "would certainly listen" to trade offers for Bryant in the wake of Kobe's loud declaration last May that he wants out … and Kobe's subsequent refusals to recant the request.

So edgy is Lakerland that Bryant, after dodging the media for a few days, was forced to address reports Tuesday that he has already cleaned out his locker at the team's practice facility. One team source insisted to ESPN.com that Bryant indeed removed his personal belongings, but Bryant and agent Rob Pelinka told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that Kobe had merely cleaned up his locker after Monday's practice, leaving plenty behind.

Yet such is the tension around the team now that Bryant can't sit out a practice without sparking an immediate panic that he's leaving for Chicago or Dallas, with multiple sources insisting that Bryant -- who possesses the league's only active no-trade clause -- lists the Mavericks as his No. 1 destination.

It's a tension Kobe created, of course, when he demanded a trade nearly five months ago with a slew of critical comments aimed at the organization that helped make him a worldwide brand and which backed him steadfastly through a sexual-assault trial in the 2003-04 season. But Buss' comments -- which Bryant admitted Tuesday "caught me off guard a little bit '' -- appear to have permanently changed the dynamic.

Those comments marked the first-ever acknowlegment from the Lakers of any openness to parting with Bryant, after months of scoffing at the mere suggestion.

Fears that Bryant might skip training camp or hold out for a time in an attempt to force the Lakers to move him proved unfounded. The 29-year-old reported for camp on time and with the apparent intention to put the turbulence of the offseason behind him, announcing that he was prepared to move forward with the only team he has ever played for. "Priority No. 1 for me," Kobe said on Oct. 1, "is to bring the title back here in Los Angeles."

The healing didn't even last 10 days, though. In that short span, Bryant's status was officially changed from the ultimate untouchable to stunningly available.

Jackson tried, in the wake of Buss' revelations, to remind us all that the owner's "initial statement was that we're not interested in trading Kobe Bryant." The coach, however, has since conceded that the resulting uncertainty has been a "distracting thing" for Bryant and the team and backed even further away from a hopeful tone when he met with L.A. reporters for a post-practice briefing Tuesday.

Asked if Bryant would play in Thursday's exhibition in Bakersfield against Seattle, Jackson said: "I can't comment on that."

Asked if Bryant would at least be with the team for that game, Jackson said: "I don't know about that, either."

Told that his no-comments could give the impression that a Bryant trade was imminent, Jackson said: "I can't comment on that. There's nothing imminent. So I can't comment on anything imminent."

Asked finally if he thinks Bryant has played his last game in purple and gold, Jackson said: "I can't comment on that. I don't know that at all. I mean, who knows that? Do you know it? We just can't comment on that. There's certain things I think that have to be discussed and will be and then we'll move forward from there."

Make that nervously forward … and headed for a Hollywood blockbuster (deal) that seems more inevitable than ever before.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=KobeTradestein

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Re: Kobe departure? This ride could make Laker faithful queasy
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2007, 08:05:37 AM »

Not a Kobe fan, but you cannot trade him.

Let him opt out in 2 years and then wash your hands of him.

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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2007, 08:46:00 AM »
So get nothing in return?  Nah.  I'm a huge Kobe fan, but if he's going to opt out, they have to try and get something for him.  Dallas will talk.  Marion wants out of Phoenix.  Chicago has some pieces. 

I just hope they can work everything out.  This is a potential disaster.  Mitch Kupchak should quit.  Trading Shaq and Kobe?  :-\ 

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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2007, 09:33:22 AM »
So get nothing in return?  Nah.  I'm a huge Kobe fan, but if he's going to opt out, they have to try and get something for him.  Dallas will talk.  Marion wants out of Phoenix.  Chicago has some pieces. 

I just hope they can work everything out.  This is a potential disaster.  Mitch Kupchak should quit.  Trading Shaq and Kobe?  :-\ 

I'm no Kupchak defender, but blaming him is like blaming the mirror for the ugly reflection (of Buss).

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2007, 10:21:58 AM »
I'm no Kupchak defender, but blaming him is like blaming the mirror for the ugly reflection (of Buss).

If I were the Wizards, I would trade Gilbert Arenas, Andray Blache, and Deshawn Stevenson for Kobe. Maybe throw in 2009 1st round pick.

But I think he's staying in the Western Conference.

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2007, 11:07:18 AM »
I'm no Kupchak defender, but blaming him is like blaming the mirror for the ugly reflection (of Buss).

Good point. 

On the other hand, with the exception of signing Malone and Payton, Kupchak has been horrible.  Dude, he drafted Brian Cook over Leandro Barbosa and Josh Howard.  :-\  He botched the trade of Payton and Fox to Boston and failed to get Marcus Banks, resulting in Smush Parker starting at the point for two years.  While teams like Boston land two all stars in the offseason, we sign Derrick Fisher (who I like, but is not going to bring us a title).  Suffice to say he is no Jerry West.     

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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2007, 11:09:13 AM »
If I were the Wizards, I would trade Gilbert Arenas, Andray Blache, and Deshawn Stevenson for Kobe. Maybe throw in 2009 1st round pick.

But I think he's staying in the Western Conference.

Actually, I think McGrady for Kobe straight up is about as close to equal value as you can get.

He's probably going to stay in the West because the East doesn't have the horses to make a trade. 

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Re: Kobe departure? This ride could make Laker faithful queasy
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2007, 02:35:12 PM »
If Kobe goes anywhere, Bulls or Mavs
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Re: Kobe departure? This ride could make Laker faithful queasy
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2007, 02:48:14 PM »
kobe going to the bulls just wouldn't be right.

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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2007, 03:41:30 PM »
So get nothing in return?  Nah.  I'm a huge Kobe fan, but if he's going to opt out, they have to try and get something for him. 

No.

Remember what the Lakers got 'in return' for Shaq?  Just a bunch of scrubs and the Brian Grant contract which completely handcuffed the team. 

The deal right now is that the current Laker roster - with or without Kobe - is nowhere close to being a title contender.  Given that reality, you pack the arena for the next 2 years with him, then begin rebuilding without him.

I absolutely do not agree with sending him directly to a contender. 

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2007, 04:50:12 PM »
No.

Remember what the Lakers got 'in return' for Shaq?  Just a bunch of scrubs and the Brian Grant contract which completely handcuffed the team. 

The deal right now is that the current Laker roster - with or without Kobe - is nowhere close to being a title contender.  Given that reality, you pack the arena for the next 2 years with him, then begin rebuilding without him.

I absolutely do not agree with sending him directly to a contender. 

I understand, although it would be better to get some value instead of nothing.  Even Odom and Kwame are better than nothing for Shaq.  If Kobe opts out and walks, the Lakers get nothing.  If they trade him, they get Deng from Chicago, Howard and Terry from the Mavs, Marion/Barbosa from the Suns, etc.  Huge difference. 

I agree the current roster is not a title contender.  They could be if, for example, they trade Kwame for Artest, but Sac isn't that stupid. 

Sending him to a contender isn't going to matter much, because the Lakers aren't winning a title without Kobe anyway. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2007, 05:30:35 PM »
Actually, I think McGrady for Kobe straight up is about as close to equal value as you can get.

He's probably going to stay in the West because the East doesn't have the horses to make a trade. 

No way. Mcgrady is too injury-prone (constant bad back)and Kobe doesn't miss games.

Mcgrady for Kobe straight up? Not even close. Houston would have to include at least one more decent player are two extra mid-level bench players in order to land Kobe.

And the East does have horses. I know you're west coast and there's an obvious bias on your part, but you're wrong.

Guys like Garnett, Paul Pierce, Dwight Howard, Dwayne Wade, Rasheed Wallace, Arenas, the list goes on.

The East has horses, bro.

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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2007, 05:39:35 PM »
No way. Mcgrady is too injury-prone (constant bad back)and Kobe doesn't miss games.

Mcgrady for Kobe straight up? Not even close. Houston would have to include at least one more decent player are two extra mid-level bench players in order to land Kobe.

And the East does have horses. I know you're west coast and there's an obvious bias on your part, but you're wrong.

Guys like Garnett, Paul Pierce, Dwight Howard, Dwayne Wade, Rasheed Wallace, Arenas, the list goes on.

The East has horses, bro.

I guess when Kobe is in a class by himself, it is impossible to get equal value.  Maybe LeBron, but even he doesn't play great defense.  I don't think T-Mac is in Kobe's class, but if you look at the numbers (scoring, etc.) and salary (which has to match) they are pretty close.  I agree T-Mac is fragile. 

I don't really have a West coast bias.  They just have better teams and better players overall.  The East does have some great players, but keep in mind the team that works a trade has to give value and keep enough to field a competitive team.  Who can do that in the East outside of Chicago?   

 

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Re: Kobe departure? This ride could make Laker faithful queasy
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2007, 09:34:57 PM »
I hate KOBE and PRAY MY BULLS DON"T EVEN FUCK WITH HIM!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2007, 01:50:23 PM »
I understand, although it would be better to get some value instead of nothing.  Even Odom and Kwame are better than nothing for Shaq.  If Kobe opts out and walks, the Lakers get nothing.  If they trade him, they get Deng from Chicago, Howard and Terry from the Mavs, Marion/Barbosa from the Suns, etc.  Huge difference. 

I agree the current roster is not a title contender.  They could be if, for example, they trade Kwame for Artest, but Sac isn't that stupid. 

Sending him to a contender isn't going to matter much, because the Lakers aren't winning a title without Kobe anyway. 



It's time to get something for Kobe and let the healing begin.  I hate to say that as a Lakers fan and a Kobe fan, but there it is.

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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2007, 03:30:51 PM »
I understand, although it would be better to get some value instead of nothing.  Even Odom and Kwame are better than nothing for Shaq.  If Kobe opts out and walks, the Lakers get nothing.  If they trade him, they get Deng from Chicago, Howard and Terry from the Mavs, Marion/Barbosa from the Suns, etc.  Huge difference. 

I agree the current roster is not a title contender.  They could be if, for example, they trade Kwame for Artest, but Sac isn't that stupid. 

Sending him to a contender isn't going to matter much, because the Lakers aren't winning a title without Kobe anyway. 


That guy was a fricken bum douchebag when he was with the Wizards. Just a classless, uneducated, underachieving, overrated  piece of shit.

Enjoy Kwame, Laker fans.

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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2007, 06:58:28 PM »

It's time to get something for Kobe and let the healing begin.  I hate to say that as a Lakers fan and a Kobe fan, but there it is.

 :'(  I hope he stays.  They just need one more piece. 

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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2007, 07:02:49 PM »
That guy was a fricken bum douchebag when he was with the Wizards. Just a classless, uneducated, underachieving, overrated  piece of shit.

Enjoy Kwame, Laker fans.

Thanks for reminding me.   :-\  My nephew saw him play in Washington and said he has the worst hands in the NBA.  It's true.  The guy has abnormally small hands for someone his size.  He can't even palm the basketball.   :o  Next time you watch a Laker game watch how often he has trouble handling an entry pass or getting the ball in transition.  Awful.

To think we traded Caron Butler for this guy.  Kupchak couldn't close the deal on a Butler, etc. for Carlos Boozer trade and settled on Kwame.