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« on: November 16, 2007, 08:36:42 AM »
Gents--Starting to put together thoughts for my next cycle.  Pretty much going with 6 months on/6 months off for awhile.   First time (ever) that I am going to go without deca.  Appetite needed improvement last time, although I did get ripped as sh*t.  Thought I'd switch out deca for EQ for that reason. Anyway, here's what I'm contemplating:

Week 1-24 test enanthate 1000mg/wk
Week 1-15 EQ 600mg/wk 
Week 16-24 tren a 100mg eod

Week 16-20 winny 50mg ed
Week 21-24 anavar 40mg ed

Anti-e's, hcg, PCT as usual.

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Re: next cycle
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2007, 08:38:09 AM »
No kick start oral? Other then that it looks like a lot of fun.

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Re: next cycle
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2007, 08:40:24 AM »
Looks great!

i'd throw something in at the beginning like Rim suggested.

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Re: next cycle
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2007, 08:48:06 AM »
No kick start oral? Other then that it looks like a lot of fun.

I'm ending with orals so I thought I'd give the my 43 year-old liver a break.  I have about 3 weeks worth of test prop left over from my last cycle, though, and I may start out with that to get things rolling a bit quicker and then sort of transition over to the enanthate completely by the fourth week (I have to thank trab, I think, for that one--hadn't ever thought of running it first instead of at the end).

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Re: next cycle
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2007, 10:14:04 AM »
Hey freak, I'd actually consider using the prop at both the front and end of the cycle...works great both ways IMO.

If it were me, I'd prob drop the var...girl steroid lol! I think things would be a little better if you simply continued the winny for those 4wks in place of the var.

I've also gotten into some relatively new ways of spacing out my test injections, I've mentioned it all over the board though so I want bore you with it here...even so, something to think about IMO.

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Re: next cycle
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2007, 01:00:26 PM »
Tprop is great at start and finish.
I also like the Var @ very end.
In fact its about the only oral  I have used by itself without a inj base and have anything good to say about.
Used at the bitter end with nothing else for a week or two prior to  PCT surprised me.
Recovery was best ever.
It ain't a asskicker, but I think some guys lose a little muscle they thought was water then.

But, Id spent about a month+ prior to that on Tprop and Stanoz though.

I think giving the body ample time to clear the long acting stuff helps recovery.
Even though we don't "Feel" the long testo after a couple weeks, do the 1/2 life division on the TE.
What we got? About 17 weeks or so after the last shot?
Huh, that coincides about with how long it takes to feel 100% after dumping a big test load....

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Re: next cycle
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2007, 10:17:49 PM »
With all these long esters why not use tren e?  It'll save you a few pokes and sides aren't half as bad (so i've read)
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Re: next cycle
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2007, 11:01:35 PM »
With all these long esters why not use tren e?  It'll save you a few pokes and sides aren't half as bad (so i've read)
I really don't have a good "scientific" answer for this, so what I say will be simply based on experience. For whatever reason, although you wouldn't think it would matter, tren-a seems to work a lot better...seems much more potent...it's seems to be much more what you'd expect when using tren.

You know, scientific evidence is great. It's hard to argue with what you read when you read actual data about a substance...but actual field knowledge, this wins out every time IMO.

Here's another example. I've been saying for a while now that when injecting long estered test, eod injections seem to be a little bit better. How can this be when test such as say test-e or cyp have such a long ester attached to them? Doesn't everything we read about these esters tell us that one injection per wk is sufficient? This is true, in terms of actual scientific evidence, 1 injection per wk is more then enough. For some one simply running an HRT run of test, even less frequently can be just fine.

So I'll offer you this. A typical and standard dose of test for me is around 1000mg/wk, For a good while now, I'd simply split this into 2 injections per wk and did just fine with this...made gains, felt great. But then Dave had me try forgetting about wkly schedules, and basing my cycles more along the "now." With that, I began running my test, long estered test, with every other day injections...it still equals out to roughly the same amount of test per wk, it's just split into smaller doses per injection and more frequently.

Guys, the difference is not neglagable...it is quite noticeable...very, very much so. I usually always try to give some sort of "reasonable" explanation as best I can when I make a post, but in this instance, sorry, i don't have any scientific data to back this up. All I can say is that you noticeably feel much better doing it this way...cycles run much smoother, and gains do not seem to stagnate like they do sometimes with more conventional methods.

Last off, doing it this way is by no means for everyone. Most cannot stomach injecting this often for long periods of time. Hey, that's fine, and there is nothing wrong with sticking to the "standard" method...you still make gains either way. But for the few of you who want every last inch you can get no matter what, this is the way to do it IMO.