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Statement of Faith - By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
« on: December 07, 2007, 06:51:13 AM »
We live in times of great uncertainty when men of faith must stand up for our values and our traditions lest they be washed away in a sea of fear and relativism. As you likely know, I am running for President of the United States, and I am asking for your support.

I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.

I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore those rights for all Americans, born and unborn alike. The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, H.R. 1094. I am also the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. I have also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.” Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken and will continue to advocate direct action to restore protection for the unborn.

I have also acted to protect the lives of Americans by my adherence to the doctrine of “just war.” This doctrine, as articulated by Augustine, suggested that war must only be waged as a last resort--- for a discernible moral and public good, with the right intentions, vetted through established legal authorities (a constitutionally required declaration of the Congress), and with a likely probability of success.

It has been and remains my firm belief that the current United Nations-mandated, no-win police action in Iraq fails to meet the high moral threshold required to wage just war. That is why I have offered moral and practical opposition to the invasion, occupation and social engineering police exercise now underway in Iraq. It is my belief, borne out by five years of abject failure and tens of thousands of lost lives, that the Iraq operation has been a dangerous diversion from the rightful and appropriate focus of our efforts to bring to justice to the jihadists that have attacked us and seek still to undermine our nation, our values, and our way of life.

I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression, However, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan. I also authored H.R. 3076, the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. A letter of marque and reprisal is a constitutional tool specifically designed to give the president the authority to respond with appropriate force to those non-state actors who wage aggression against the United States while limiting his authority to only those responsible for the atrocities of that day. Such a limited authorization is consistent with the doctrine of just war and the practical aim of keeping Americans safe while minimizing the costs in blood and treasure of waging such an operation.

On September 17, 2001, I stated on the house floor that “…striking out at six or eight or even ten different countries could well expand this war of which we wanted no part. Without defining the enemy there is no way to know our precise goal or to know when the war is over. Inadvertently more casual acceptance of civilian deaths as part of this war I'm certain will prolong the agony and increase the chances of even more American casualties. We must guard against this if at all possible.” I’m sorry to say that history has proven this to be true.

I am running for president to restore the rule of law and to stand up for our divinely inspired Constitution. I have never voted for legislation that is not specifically authorized by the Constitution. As president, I will never sign a piece of legislation, nor use the power of the executive, in a manner inconsistent with the limitations that the founders envisioned.

Many have given up on America as an exemplar for the world, as a model of freedom, self-government, and self-control. I have not. There is hope for America. I ask you to join me, and to be a part of it.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul
http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm

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Re: Statement of Faith - By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2007, 07:16:36 AM »
I like Paul in general, his religiosity and his Jebus bug, not at all.

But he keeps it to himself and doesn't talk about it much so that is good.

It'd be nice if there were a smart, secular man running but that will never happen in the USA.

Of course talking about god in European politics generally garners ridicule, which is a good thing.
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Re: Statement of Faith - By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2007, 07:17:46 AM »
So much for Ron Paul's fans of claiming him being a Libertarian.

No Libertarian would ever oppose abortion.

What a fcuking joke.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2007, 07:19:12 AM »
I like Paul in general, his religiosity and his Jebus bug, not at all.

But he keeps it to himself and doesn't talk about it much so that is good.

It'd be nice if there were a smart, secular man running but that will never happen in the USA.

Of course talking about god in European politics generally garners ridicule, which is a good thing.

Are you insane? (j/k)

The man is anti-abortion, meaning he opposes women's right's to their own bodies.
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Re: Statement of Faith - By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2007, 07:25:52 AM »
Are you insane? (j/k)

The man is anti-abortion, meaning he opposes women's right's to their own bodies.

You could put it that way(focus on the mother), or you could also say

The man is anti-abortion, meaning he defends the rights of conceived, unborn human beings(focus on the child, who can neither defend nor speak for himself/herself).

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2007, 07:30:43 AM »
You could put it that way(focus on the mother), or you could also say

The man is anti-abortion, meaning he defends the rights of conceived, unborn human beings(focus on the child, who can neither defend nor speak for himself).

If we reason libertarian, and lets do so for a minute here, then the right is clearly the mothers.

She was here first.

Her body, her right.

Right or wrong, but the Libertarian perspective is clear.

The government, or anyone else should not tell the woman what to do with her body. Or try to prevent her from doing it.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2007, 07:32:10 AM »
Are you insane? (j/k)

The man is anti-abortion, meaning he opposes women's right's to their own bodies.

He's not a pure Libertarian, that is true but I don't care. Abortion isn't a top issue and I am strongly pro-choice. There are other birds to kill; foreign policy and economics for example...
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Re: Statement of Faith - By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2007, 07:37:37 AM »
He's not a pure Libertarian, that is true but I don't care. Abortion isn't a top issue and I am strongly pro-choice. There are other birds to kill; foreign policy and economics for example...

I agree!  I never said he is a Libertarian, nor do I care.  He is a Republican.  And as I said before, there will never be a candidate who will agree with everybody on every issue, but Ron Paul still looks like the best choice for America compared to the alternative.

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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2007, 07:43:53 AM »
I agree!  I never said he is a Libertarian, nor do I care.  He is a Republican.  And as I said before, there will never be a candidate who will agree with everybody on every issue, but Ron Paul still looks like the best choice for America compared to the alternative.

Bible Thumper...yeah, I don't give a fuck what he is. I just want him to change American foreign policy and get the dollar back up as an expat, since those are the only things that affect me abroad.
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Re: Statement of Faith - By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2007, 07:50:44 AM »
Bible Thumper...yeah, I don't give a fuck what he is. I just want him to change American foreign policy and get the dollar back up as an expat, since those are the only things that affect me abroad.

See?  Ron Paul even manages to get Bible Thumpers and atheists to agree on something.    ;D

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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2007, 08:45:17 PM »
Bible Thumper...yeah, I don't give a fuck what he is. I just want him to change American foreign policy and get the dollar back up as an expat, since those are the only things that affect me abroad.

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Re: Statement of Faith - By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2007, 12:08:25 AM »
We live in times of great uncertainty when men of faith must stand up for our values and our traditions lest they be washed away in a sea of fear and relativism. As you likely know, I am running for President of the United States, and I am asking for your support.

I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.

I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore those rights for all Americans, born and unborn alike. The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideal of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, H.R. 1094. I am also the prime sponsor of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn. I have also authored H.R. 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.” Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken and will continue to advocate direct action to restore protection for the unborn.

I have also acted to protect the lives of Americans by my adherence to the doctrine of “just war.” This doctrine, as articulated by Augustine, suggested that war must only be waged as a last resort--- for a discernible moral and public good, with the right intentions, vetted through established legal authorities (a constitutionally required declaration of the Congress), and with a likely probability of success.

It has been and remains my firm belief that the current United Nations-mandated, no-win police action in Iraq fails to meet the high moral threshold required to wage just war. That is why I have offered moral and practical opposition to the invasion, occupation and social engineering police exercise now underway in Iraq. It is my belief, borne out by five years of abject failure and tens of thousands of lost lives, that the Iraq operation has been a dangerous diversion from the rightful and appropriate focus of our efforts to bring to justice to the jihadists that have attacked us and seek still to undermine our nation, our values, and our way of life.

I opposed giving the president power to wage unlimited and unchecked aggression, However, I did vote to support the use of force in Afghanistan. I also authored H.R. 3076, the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. A letter of marque and reprisal is a constitutional tool specifically designed to give the president the authority to respond with appropriate force to those non-state actors who wage aggression against the United States while limiting his authority to only those responsible for the atrocities of that day. Such a limited authorization is consistent with the doctrine of just war and the practical aim of keeping Americans safe while minimizing the costs in blood and treasure of waging such an operation.

On September 17, 2001, I stated on the house floor that “…striking out at six or eight or even ten different countries could well expand this war of which we wanted no part. Without defining the enemy there is no way to know our precise goal or to know when the war is over. Inadvertently more casual acceptance of civilian deaths as part of this war I'm certain will prolong the agony and increase the chances of even more American casualties. We must guard against this if at all possible.” I’m sorry to say that history has proven this to be true.

I am running for president to restore the rule of law and to stand up for our divinely inspired Constitution. I have never voted for legislation that is not specifically authorized by the Constitution. As president, I will never sign a piece of legislation, nor use the power of the executive, in a manner inconsistent with the limitations that the founders envisioned.

Many have given up on America as an exemplar for the world, as a model of freedom, self-government, and self-control. I have not. There is hope for America. I ask you to join me, and to be a part of it.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul
http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm

Very nice.  Didn't agree with all of it, but well said. 

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Re: Statement of Faith - By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2007, 12:10:36 AM »
I like Paul in general, his religiosity and his Jebus bug, not at all.

But he keeps it to himself and doesn't talk about it much so that is good.

It'd be nice if there were a smart, secular man running but that will never happen in the USA.

Of course talking about god in European politics generally garners ridicule, which is a good thing.

What difference does it make if a public figure talks about his faith?  Why does that bother you? 

You are right that a "secular" person will never be elected president.

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Re: Statement of Faith - By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2007, 12:11:29 AM »
If we reason libertarian, and lets do so for a minute here, then the right is clearly the mothers.

She was here first.

Her body, her right.

Right or wrong, but the Libertarian perspective is clear.

The government, or anyone else should not tell the woman what to do with her body. Or try to prevent her from doing it.


Except it's not just her body. 

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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2007, 12:29:38 AM »
Except it's not just her body. 

And yet the woman has worldly obligations, ties and relationships. A first trimester foetus has none of these things.
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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2007, 02:04:41 AM »
And yet the woman has worldly obligations, ties and relationships. A first trimester foetus has none of these things.

Neither does a second trimester baby, a third trimester baby, or a newborn baby. 

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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2007, 04:23:03 AM »
Neither does a second trimester baby, a third trimester baby, or a newborn baby. 

That's true. That is why a mother's choice ought to be prioritised.
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Re: Statement of Faith - By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2007, 11:48:52 AM »
That's true. That is why a mother's choice ought to be prioritised.

Are you saying a woman should have the right to choose to kill a second trimester, third trimester, and newborn baby? 

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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2007, 04:20:46 PM »
Are you saying a woman should have the right to choose to kill a second trimester, third trimester, and newborn baby? 

Yes, I am saying that and you can interchangeably call a 'baby' a foetus.

It is a part of her body and I don't have the right to tell her what to do with it. I may not like certain things but safe, legal abortion is far better than dangerous, illegal back alley abortions which endanger the mother's life.
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Re: Statement of Faith - By Rep. Ron Paul, MD.
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2007, 05:39:34 PM »
Yes, I am saying that and you can interchangeably call a 'baby' a foetus.

It is a part of her body and I don't have the right to tell her what to do with it. I may not like certain things but safe, legal abortion is far better than dangerous, illegal back alley abortions which endanger the mother's life.

I've been around a lot of pregnant women and I've never heard one of them call her baby a fetus.

You wouldn't even draw the line with newborns?  That's pretty harsh.