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Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates
« on: December 29, 2007, 11:08:16 AM »
This about sums it up.  Pretty weak field leaves lots of people undecided. 

Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates 

Friday, December 28, 2007 6:30 PM

WASHINGTON -- The 2008 presidential race began so early that voters have been on a first-name basis for months with Hillary and Barack, Rudy, Mitt and the other contenders. Yet people seem no closer to choosing from among them.

Democrats are hopeful of reclaiming the White House, helped by President Bush's unpopularity, general unhappiness with the Iraq war and fears about the worsening housing and credit crunches. Those issues will be waiting for whoever succeeds him.

If dollars are any indication, the Democrats have generated more enthusiasm, pulling in about 50 percent more money than the Republican presidential candidates. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards and the other Democrats had raised $225.3 million to the Republicans' $149 million, as of Sept. 30.

In national polling, New York Sen. Clinton held a big lead throughout the year and was seen as the candidate to beat. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani dominated the Republican field; his closest competitor, Arizona Sen. John McCain, plunged in the polls after spending too much money and losing several top aides. McCain righted his campaign and slowly began to climb. Actor-politician Fred Thompson was supposed to invigorate the GOP, but his entry into the race was late and lackluster. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney crept up steadily and led in early-voting states until Mike Huckabee, a Baptist preacher and conservative favorite, threatened to win Iowa.

The year ended as it began, with national leads for Clinton and Giuliani despite arguments that the former first lady is too polarizing and he is too liberal for his party.

The nomination races were far from settled where it really counts, in states where the nomination battles will be waged.

Why so chaotic? Two reasons, said David Rohde, political science professor at Duke University. There is no president or vice president running _ for the first time in half a century _ and people don't necessarily like their choices for new leaders.

"The main reason is that each of the candidates has some significant weakness," Rohde said. "This is more than not perfect. These are serious deficits."

Among Democrats, voters worry that if Clinton wins the nomination she might not win the general election, that Illinois Sen. Obama lacks experience and that former North Carolina Sen. Edwards isn't much different from when he and John Kerry ran and lost four years ago, Rohde said.

Among Republicans, voters are uncomfortable with Giuliani's left-leaning positions as New York mayor on abortion and other social issues. They're also concerned about Romney's flexible stances and his Mormonism, about McCain's independent inclinations and Thompson's muted campaigning, he said.

After nearly a year of presidential politicking, voters in Iowa and New Hampshire are divided among the leading candidates, and more than half are still undecided, according to CBS/New York Times polls in the two states.

That makes the race up for grabs in the states voting in the opening weeks of 2008.

Among Democrats, Clinton is essentially tied with Obama and Edwards in Iowa, which begins the voting with caucuses on Jan. 3. Her rivals view Iowa as the one place they might block Clinton.

Clinton is targeting women who are new to the Iowa caucuses, while Obama is courting young voters and Edwards is working to turn out traditional caucus attendees, especially those in rural areas. Clinton has a comfortable lead in New Hampshire, which votes on Jan. 8, and the former first lady has millions of dollars to compete in the states that come next.

As for Republicans, Romney hopes victories in Iowa and New Hampshire will clear a path for him in the later states though Huckabee had seized the edge in Iowa. Giuliani aims to win in bigger, later-voting states such as Florida on Jan. 29 and California, New York and Illinois on Feb. 5, but he still is taking on Romney in New Hampshire, where he recently began running his first TV ads of the campaign.

Thompson hopes to win on Jan. 19 in South Carolina, where he runs close to Giuliani and Romney in polls. McCain could do well in New Hampshire.

Potential spoilers lurk in Ron Paul, an underdog GOP Texas congressman who managed to raise more than $4 million in one day, and in New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a billionaire who could launch an independent bid next year.

Democrats have been arguing lately about health care; Clinton and Edwards offer universal plans requiring everyone to have insurance, while Obama opposes such a requirement.

Immigration has become a dominant issue for Republicans: Many voters tell pollsters it's No. 1. Romney and Thompson are running ads that call for secure borders and denounce amnesty for illegal immigrants. Giuliani, who as mayor advocated some pro-immigrant policies, is calling for a "virtual" fence with high-tech monitoring to stop illegal immigration; his ads have focused on his crime-fighting and tax-cutting in New York.
 
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/ye_presidential_politics/2007/12/28/60379.html

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Re: Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2007, 11:36:58 AM »
Here is one thing I am completely convinced about. IF the Clinton's get the democratic nomination next year(YES Hillary is running with "Slick Willy" to become president again)I will be voting for the Republican nominee regardless of who he is. I am voting against Hillary and Bill Clinton IF it a race between her and any republican that wins the nomination.

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Re: Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2007, 11:53:44 AM »
Here is one thing I am completely convinced about. IF the Clinton's get the democratic nomination next year(YES Hillary is running with "Slick Willy" to become president again)I will be voting for the Republican nominee regardless of who he is. I am voting against Hillary and Bill Clinton IF it a race between her and any republican that wins the nomination.

Same here.  Along with millions of others.  Her negatives are through the roof.  Many people will be voting against her, instead of for the Republican candidate.  That's why I don't think she can win the general. 

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Re: Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2007, 12:11:38 PM »
However, I would consider voting for John Edwards based on how successful he was in the primaries four years ago despite him being Kerry's choice for VP because General Wesley Clark should have definitely been instead. I would also consider Obama but I don't know how the "is he black" race factor would play out in the general election partly because the media will deliberately play up whether or not he can become the first black president when Obama comes from a interracial background.

A Clinton nomination will seal the deal for me to vote Republican for the first time since the year 2000 and the two main reasons are the democrats who controlled Congress this year as well as what Bill Clinton did as one of the worst presidents in the 20th Century.

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Re: Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2007, 12:18:42 PM »
I'd hold my nose and vote for Clinton if the Republican candidate were Rudy or Mit but I'd consider voting for McCain over Clinton.

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Re: Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2007, 12:22:44 PM »
I won't vote for them(the Clintons)regardless of whoever the Republican nominee is. >:(

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Re: Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2007, 12:31:56 PM »
I guess it comes down to  who you hate the least.  I think Hilary is repugnant but I loathe Mit and Rudy.

Of the three I think Hilary would do the least damage - and that ain't saying much

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Re: Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2007, 01:09:42 PM »
I don't know why the Dems are so damned stupid.  They keep pushing Hillary and Obama on us.  Clinton stands a good chance at losing the general electrion, partly due to perhaps empowering those who would otherwise sit on the sidelines in the coming election to come and vote against her.......whether it be because she is a woman, is a Clinton, or whatever.  The same for Obama....some people actually think he is a Muslim, and Race will play a huge factor, like it or not.  His inexperience looms largely as well.  The only reason these two candidates are even going to have a shot is because largely, people are so put out of Dubya and the Iraq War. 

Why can't they just push Edwards real hard?  A Southern Democrat would almost assuredly get the nod.  He Has a southern twang and is a pretty good looking guy.  I know those two shouldn't be reasons as to how someone should get elected, but people oft(when JFK and Nixon were running, the majority thought Nixon won the radio debates...but JFK won the television debates...despite the actual debate being almost identical....this is attributed largely to JFK's good looks and charisma).  Besides, Southern Democrats have worked for the Dems in the past....Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.  Then, look at the ones that failed:  Walter Mondale, John Kerry, Michael Dukakis. 

The good thing here is that Ron Paul does have a legitimate chance at getting the nomination, or at the very least finishing near the top. 

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Re: Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2007, 01:12:54 PM »

The good thing here is that Ron Paul does have a legitimate chance at getting the nomination, or at the very least finishing near the top. 

He has no shot to get the nomination.  He will probably finish behind Rudy, Romney, Huck, and probably McCain and Thompson. 

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Re: Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2007, 01:49:50 PM »
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Here is one thing I am completely convinced about. IF the Clinton's get the democratic nomination next year(YES Hillary is running with "Slick Willy" to become president again)I will be voting for the Republican nominee regardless of who he is. I am voting against Hillary and Bill Clinton IF it a race between her and any republican that wins the nomination.

My first choice in Ron Paul, but if he is not in the race at the end, then my second choice is A.B.H.  ( anybody but Hillary )
This woman is a evil  :o


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Re: Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2007, 02:15:51 PM »
Rudy and Mitt both parrot Bush foreign and domestic policy.

So...

It comes down to this.

Would you prefer 4 more years of Bush, or 4 more years of Clintons?

If you're okay with invading Iran and growing the war in Iraq, then by all means, vote republican.  The borrowing cannot last forever, your 401k and mutuals WILL collapse at some point in the future, and you'll have no one but yourselves to thank for voting for a borrower.

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Re: Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2007, 02:53:00 PM »


Here is a nice video of your Hillary:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2cP8

Hillary say's even though their were no WMD's found in Iraq, she would still have voted for the war !   


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Re: Voters Still Undecided on '08 Candidates
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2007, 06:34:38 PM »


Here is a nice video of your Hillary:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2cP8

Hillary say's even though their were no WMD's found in Iraq, she would still have voted for the war !   



 :o  Is that picture photoshopped?