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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2007, 12:11:40 PM »
Decker there are two different issues here:

1.  How the law deals with homosexuals, bisexuals, cross-dressers, etc.  On this issue, I think we're talking about things like the 14th Amendment.

2.  Religious objections to homosexuality.  I think the 20-plus-year-old quote you referenced relates to his religious objections to homosexuality.
1.  yes we are.  Lawrence v. Texas, the SCT case striking down a texas law prohibiting the practice of sodomy btn consenting adults seems to be a step in the direction favoring homosexuals.  The sct recognized that the def.'s liberty was protected by substantive due process of the 14th A.  Anti-sodomy laws are everywhere in the country.  Now they are history.

I think it is only a matter of time before gay marriage is a federally protected right b/c it is in the interest of liberty & the pursuit of happiness and consistent with the 14th A.

But that's my opinion.

2.  Religious objections...no no.  I stand by that 20 year quote of his.  A sin is a sin.  This man, in his mind, thought he was doing god's work on earth.  Homosexuality is a sin counter to godliness.  This man would not stop at 'suspect classes.' 

I think that quote is closer to whom he really was than what you profess him to be.

 “brute beasts”... “one day be utterly annihilated and there will be a celebration in heaven.”


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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2007, 12:23:57 PM »
1.  yes we are.  Lawrence v. Texas, the SCT case striking down a texas law prohibiting the practice of sodomy btn consenting adults seems to be a step in the direction favoring homosexuals.  The sct recognized that the def.'s liberty was protected by substantive due process of the 14th A.  Anti-sodomy laws are everywhere in the country.  Now they are history.

I think it is only a matter of time before gay marriage is a federally protected right b/c it is in the interest of liberty & the pursuit of happiness and consistent with the 14th A.

But that's my opinion.

2.  Religious objections...no no.  I stand by that 20 year quote of his.  A sin is a sin.  This man, in his mind, thought he was doing god's work on earth.  Homosexuality is a sin counter to godliness.  This man would not stop at 'suspect classes.' 

I think that quote is closer to whom he really was than what you profess him to be.

 “brute beasts”... “one day be utterly annihilated and there will be a celebration in heaven.”



1.  I think we are well on our way to legalizing homosexual marriage.  It's only a matter of time.  But homosexual marriage can hardly be considered a federally (or state) protected right when we have the federal Defense of Marriage Act and something like 40+ states that have expressly rejected homosexual marriage. 

I don't see equating homosexuality, bisexuality, cross-dressing, etc. with things like race and national origin.  We are contorting our Constitution to put these lifestyle choices on par with innate qualities and things that are expressly mentioned, like religion. 

2.  The man was a preacher.  He was very consistent.  Any intellectually honest preacher who reads the Bible will oppose those lifestyle choices.  I don't fault him for that at all.

But I don't condone his delivery.  That kind of rhetoric, which he softened over the years, is wrong. 

I also disagreed with his views on church-state separation.   

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2007, 12:33:53 PM »
1.  I think we are well on our way to legalizing homosexual marriage.  It's only a matter of time.  But homosexual marriage can hardly be considered a federally (or state) protected right when we have the federal Defense of Marriage Act and something like 40+ states that have expressly rejected homosexual marriage. 

I don't see equating homosexuality, bisexuality, cross-dressing, etc. with things like race and national origin.  We are contorting our Constitution to put these lifestyle choices on par with innate qualities and things that are expressly mentioned, like religion. 

2.  The man was a preacher.  He was very consistent.  Any intellectually honest preacher who reads the Bible will oppose those lifestyle choices.  I don't fault him for that at all.

But I don't condone his delivery.  That kind of rhetoric, which he softened over the years, is wrong. 

I also disagreed with his views on church-state separation.   

He was controversial. 

That was fun.

You argue well.

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2007, 04:54:53 PM »
He was controversial. 

That was fun.

You argue well.

Thanks mang.  So do you.   :)

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #54 on: May 18, 2007, 03:27:37 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkAPaEMwyKU

Here is Christopher Hitchens on CNN pwning Falwell. Awesome stuff!

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« Reply #55 on: May 18, 2007, 03:41:55 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkAPaEMwyKU

Here is Christopher Hitchens on CNN pwning Falwell. Awesome stuff!

Haha, the only time CNN has a conservative on and he happends to be an athiest!

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #56 on: May 18, 2007, 04:55:08 PM »
I saw Hitchens on Hannity & Colmes as well. I must say, he defended himself quite eloquently and Hannity got pwnd!!!

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #57 on: May 18, 2007, 06:37:08 PM »
Good riddance.

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Re: Jerry Falwell dead
« Reply #58 on: January 13, 2008, 07:54:21 PM »
BUMP for Christopher Hitchens.

His multiple TV appearances to discuss Falwell's death came just as his book "god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything" was coming out, and he was starting his book tour.

Needless to say, this got him a lot of extra exposure. It was certainly the way I heard of the book, and it changed me completely.