Author Topic: Do you ever wonder why genuine believers are not classed as being mentally ill?  (Read 2917 times)

MCWAY

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you've missed dawkins whole point unfortunately, that science not theology is accountable for all of our knowledge, and stuff in the bible is obvious. life plant crops, stay away from blood, man at that time understood this, and its extremely primitive. if the bible had the genome id be impressed, but it doesnt it just has some very basic, life instructions.

So obvious, yet when "modern" man finally implemented such practices, he's heraled as a "genius"  ::) .


cosmology, biology,chemistry, biochem, medicine etcc..... is all based on naturalistic explanations nothing in science or in life is based on supernatural explanations.

All of which are observations of already-existing things and principles, put in place by a supernatural God. Science, no matter how you slice, is simply the observation of natural phenomena....phenomena that man did not and cannot create and laws governing such phenomena that man cannot violate. At best, he can manipulate certain principles to achieve certain tasks.


you also seem to liken people who beleive in god performing science as evidence for god, when in actual fact its just science. newton beleived in god and may have wanted to observe gods work, what he came up with was a naturalistic law based in science with nothing to do with god, he just said "its gods work" when in actual fact its just gravity. theology is a philosophy and is basic, science in super complex and is the basis of life, not theology.

Newton didn't come up with a naturalistic law. Gravity was already there, before Newton coined the term or even existed; he merely "discovered" it and explained it to his fellow man. He is not responsible for its existence or for its design.

Discovering already-existing principles and manipulating such for certain purposes has no bearing on the fact that those princples were put in place by a sentient being.

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So obvious, yet when "modern" man finally implemented such practices, he's heraled as a "genius"  ::) .

All of which are observations of already-existing things and principles, put in place by a supernatural God. Science, no matter how you slice, is simply the observation of natural phenomena....phenomena that man did not and cannot create and laws governing such phenomena that man cannot violate. At best, he can manipulate certain principles to achieve certain tasks.

Newton didn't come up with a naturalistic law. Gravity was already there, before Newton coined the term or even existed; he merely "discovered" it and explained it to his fellow man. He is not responsible for its existence or for its design.

Discovering already-existing principles and manipulating such for certain purposes has no bearing on the fact that those princples were put in place by a sentient being.

"So obvious, yet when "modern" man finally implemented such practices, he's heraled as a "genius"  ::) "

clearly obvious, again this computer is  a million times more complex then anything in the bible. also, who heraled these people as genius? so your saying that if it wasnt for the bible man would not know that blood carries infection and that cleanliness is healthy? yet he made it to the moon and formulated string theory? ::) good point ::)

"All of which are observations of already-existing things and principles, put in place by a supernatural God. Science, no matter how you slice, is simply the observation of natural phenomena....phenomena that man did not and cannot create and laws governing such phenomena that man cannot violate. At best, he can manipulate certain principles to achieve certain tasks."

thank you for stating the obvious, firstly your arguing from ignorance because you do not know and have no proof that god put these laws in place, your geussing. nothing can violate the laws of nature, of NATURE.


"Newton didn't come up with a naturalistic law. Gravity was already there, before Newton coined the term or even existed; he merely "discovered" it and explained it to his fellow man. He is not responsible for its existence or for its design. "

yes he did, gravity is an abstract concept he formulated mathematics to describe what happens to objects under the act of what he called gravity. the laws are formulations that we impose, there could be one governing law or gut, and we could be wrong in our laws? we know newtonian gravity is incorrect by the way in terms of small bodies aka quantum physics.

"Discovering already-existing principles and manipulating such for certain purposes has no bearing on the fact that those princples were put in place by a sentient being."


proof of these being created by a sentient being is where?

is this the best you can offer? some fallacies based on design and complexity and your personal beliefs. cant you offer one piece of verifiable evidence?