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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2008, 05:15:20 PM »
You seem to be undercutting your statements, here

"Perhaps, it was just her time to die".......According to whose schedule? Who booked her to be killed?

"maybe she wasn't meant for anything else in life but to be killed by an ill-placed Indian carnivore.".......Who's defining her purpose?



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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2008, 06:50:48 PM »
Another good question would be why do good things happen to bad people?

It is not a good question. It is a question for a puerile, immature mind. As I said, objective observation and empirical evidence show us quite readily that the universe itself is neither good nor evil but simply pitilessly indifferent in its happenings and actions; since sentient beings such as ourselves are confined to this universe we are subject to its underlying structure. Good, Bad, Evil, etc. are all man made concepts that man himself gives to events and actions. Is it a bad thing that 99% of every species that has ever lived has gone extinct? It is neither good, nor bad, it simply is. It's amazing that grown men still struggle with something like this or similar nonsense such as the theodicy when the explanation is both known and simplicty itself. Pathetic, really.
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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2008, 08:03:14 PM »
It is not a good question. It is a question for a puerile, immature mind. As I said, objective observation and empirical evidence show us quite readily that the universe itself is neither good nor evil but simply pitilessly indifferent in its happenings and actions; since sentient beings such as ourselves are confined to this universe we are subject to its underlying structure. Good, Bad, Evil, etc. are all man made concepts that man himself gives to events and actions. Is it a bad thing that 99% of every species that has ever lived has gone extinct? It is neither good, nor bad, it simply is. It's amazing that grown men still struggle with something like this or similar nonsense such as the theodicy when the explanation is both known and simplicty itself. Pathetic, really.

Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people. It's simply human nature to find answers to events that we cannot control.  It is not an immature mind but instead more of what our mind is.  It is our nature to search for meaning from these events, the simple and the complicated, that we cannot control.  This is how we were born or what we have evolved to.   We are still hunter gathers aren't we?  We look for answers and some are real while others very remote and not true, we connect unrelated events to the answer.  The core of this evolutionary step (mentally) is that if it rains just once after we dance then rain dancing works, while at the same time sticking a spear in the heart of a goat kills it faster.

So when a bad thing happens we look to blame or attribute it to something greater than us to make us feel better about it happening.  Nothing can prevent you or I from feeling this need.  You can call that immature, but i call it human nature.

They funny thing is, none of what we ever figure out changes the truth.

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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2008, 08:10:47 PM »
Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people. It's simply human nature to find answers to events that we cannot control.  It is not an immature mind but instead more of what our mind is.  It is our nature to search for meaning from these events, the simple and the complicated, that we cannot control.  This is how we were born or what we have evolved to.   We are still hunter gathers aren't we?  We look for answers and some are real while others very remote and not true, we connect unrelated events to the answer.  The core of this evolutionary step (mentally) is that if it rains just once after we dance then rain dancing works, while at the same time sticking a spear in the heart of a goat kills it faster.

So when a bad thing happens we look to blame or attribute it to something greater than us to make us feel better about it happening.  Nothing can prevent you or I from feeling this need.  You can call that immature, but i call it human nature.[/i]

They funny thing is, none of what we ever figure out changes the truth.

Perhaps. Some of us however, have moved beyond this silliness.
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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2008, 08:12:52 PM »
Perhaps. Some of us however, have moved beyond this silliness.

Do you have children Trap?

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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2008, 08:20:40 PM »
Do you have children Trap?

Not yet. Perhaps I will propagate my DNA once though. 50/50 chance. Biologically, it is a sound idea but only once as we are rapidly overpopulating this mudball we are stuck on.

Ozmo, I know the question you are going to ask so don't bother asking it. Though I am sure I would be saddened by the death of my child, beyond physiological causes I would not seek a 'higher cause'. There universe is indifferent to human suffering.
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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2008, 08:36:12 PM »
Not yet. Perhaps I will propagate my DNA once though. 50/50 chance. Biologically, it is a sound idea but only once as we are rapidly overpopulating this mudball we are stuck on.

Ozmo, I know the question you are going to ask so don't bother asking it. Though I am sure I would be saddened by the death of my child, beyond physiological causes I would not seek a 'higher cause'. There universe is indifferent to human suffering.

You will never know that until you have a child.  the child doesn't even have to die for you feel what I'm talking about.  you will always fear it and as you may not act on a spiritual answer you will be constantly aware of your propensity for it and it will grow inside you form the day your child is born.

And if a bad thing happen like that, you can sit here and say you wouldn't seek one, but you would becuase the pain would not end and you would yearn for answers.  It is who you are.  You cannot deny what you are even though you think you are aware of it.

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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2008, 09:25:51 PM »
You will never know that until you have a child.  the child doesn't even have to die for you feel what I'm talking about.  you will always fear it and as you may not act on a spiritual answer you will be constantly aware of your propensity for it and it will grow inside you form the day your child is born.

And if a bad thing happen like that, you can sit here and say you wouldn't seek one, but you would becuase the pain would not end and you would yearn for answers.  It is who you are.  You cannot deny what you are even though you think you are aware of it.

Not true. I lost a close friend some time ago. Tragic. No particular reason. Indifferent Universe.

The fear of the loss of the child is just a fear of loss of the self, since it is the carrier of your DNA; with its death, you die as well. Since I do not fear death I do not fear the loss of a child in that sense.
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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2008, 09:28:35 PM »
Not true. I lost a close friend some time ago. Tragic. No particular reason. Indifferent Universe.

The fear of the loss of the child is just a fear of loss of the self, since it is the carrier of your DNA; with its death, you die as well. Since I do not fear death I do not fear the loss of a child in that sense.

Yeah, what ever you say.   ;)


PS:  A close friend and child are a universe apart.

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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2008, 11:39:23 PM »
Yeah, what ever you say.   ;)


PS:  A close friend and child are a universe apart.

You are correct. A close friend is not a carrier of one's own DNA and is not an investment in the future. One's own child is; ensuring that it survives means that you too in a way, survive. Nothing magic about it as you are inclined to believe.
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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2008, 12:57:12 PM »
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In other words, you believe in a sentient being higher than man, that you likely have not seen or observed. Hmmmm..... Wouldn't that put you in a similar boat as those who believe in God? Hmmmm.....

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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2008, 08:13:43 PM »
In other words, you believe in a sentient being higher than man, that you likely have not seen or observed. Hmmmm..... Wouldn't that put you in a similar boat as those who believe in God? Hmmmm.....

Well actually, whether or not I've seen something doesn't make it less or more real; some people have never seen an African tiger but that doesn't mean that they don't exist. And what does this have to do with sailing with christians?

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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2008, 01:04:09 PM »
Not true. I lost a close friend some time ago. Tragic. No particular reason. Indifferent Universe.

The fear of the loss of the child is just a fear of loss of the self, since it is the carrier of your DNA; with its death, you die as well. Since I do not fear death I do not fear the loss of a child in that sense.

humans arent indifferent, evolutionary speaking we have emotions like love for a purpose, namely to ensure our propogation of our genes. if you take a rigid determinstic stance to everything in life and deny emergent properties such as emotion your missing most of life in my opinion. being spiritual does seem to enhance ones life and being mechanistic and robotic in your replies as if dying of love ones is nothing more then a loss of atoms is certainly missing out on what life is about.

however, ultimately i agree with you. ;D

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Re: Why do bad things happen to good people?
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2008, 05:36:12 PM »
humans arent indifferent, evolutionary speaking we have emotions like love for a purpose, namely to ensure our propogation of our genes. if you take a rigid determinstic stance to everything in life and deny emergent properties such as emotion your missing most of life in my opinion. being spiritual does seem to enhance ones life and being mechanistic and robotic in your replies as if dying of love ones is nothing more then a loss of atoms is certainly missing out on what life is about.

however, ultimately i agree with you. ;D

I rest my case.  ;)
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