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According to Reuters Mar 2, 2007 :http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN2831284320070302
By Adam Tanner and Howard Goller

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Some contestants in the largest annual celebration of bodybuilding starting on Friday will likely be on steroids, highlighting how hard it is to keep performance-enhancing drugs out of sport, Arnold Schwarzenegger said of the contest that bears his name.........



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Do you guys think that Schwarzenegger will  lament again before Arnold Classic this year ??











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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2008, 07:51:42 AM »
According to Reuters Mar 2, 2007 :http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN2831284320070302
By Adam Tanner and Howard Goller

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Some contestants in the largest annual celebration of bodybuilding starting on Friday will likely be on steroids, highlighting how hard it is to keep performance-enhancing drugs out of sport, Arnold Schwarzenegger said of the contest that bears his name.........



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Do you guys think that Schwarzenegger will  lament again before Arnold Classic this year ??

The bottom line is that if Arnie WANTED to clean up the contest he could do so.  But he doesn't WANT to.  If he did, the contest would be filled with a bunch of 195 pound ordinary looking guys.

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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2008, 07:55:16 AM »
The bottom line is that if Arnie WANTED to clean up the contest he could do so.  But he doesn't WANT to.  If he did, the contest would be filled with a bunch of 195 pound ordinary looking guys.

Your comment doesn't seem far fetched.

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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2008, 07:59:19 AM »
Arnold said last year :
"I have been fighting this battle for an endless amount of years. As a matter of fact, I was the first one to have actual drug testing at the competition,".........

......."They are not willing to do that(drug-test).They said that there will be lawsuits, that it will be illegal to do that to ask for the urine test," .......


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Do you guys believe his saying ??




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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2008, 08:26:42 AM »
The bottom line is that if Arnie WANTED to clean up the contest he could do so.  But he doesn't WANT to.  If he did, the contest would be filled with a bunch of 195 pound ordinary looking guys.

Exactly. Drugs are part of todays sports. People need to accept that.

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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2008, 03:36:46 PM »
Oh, so it's ok for Arnold to make millions of dollars off the physique he built using steroids, but it's not ok for the rest of us plebes.

And that BS excuse of his that "we didn't know the risks of using steroids back then" doesn't wash. Steroids were around for decades before Arnold ever used them, he knew the risks.

Typical "do as I say and not as I do" attitude from a politician.

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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2008, 03:38:43 PM »
Arnold said last year :
"I have been fighting this battle for an endless amount of years. As a matter of fact, I was the first one to have actual drug testing at the competition,".........

......."They are not willing to do that(drug-test).They said that there will be lawsuits, that it will be illegal to do that to ask for the urine test," .......


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Do you guys believe his saying ??





As a politician you have to be comfortable lying into people's faces, so no big deal.

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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2008, 03:45:39 PM »
What else is he suppose to say? His current state is bigger than BB. At this juncture he is trying to distance himself.
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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2008, 04:21:00 PM »
What else is he suppose to say? His current state is bigger than BB. At this juncture he is trying to distance himself.

Nothing would be good. Especially since he's not really going to do anything about it.

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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2008, 07:10:48 PM »
Oh, so it's ok for Arnold to make millions of dollars off the physique he built using steroids, but it's not ok for the rest of us plebes.

And that BS excuse of his that "we didn't know the risks of using steroids back then" doesn't wash. Steroids were around for decades before Arnold ever used them, he knew the risks.

Typical "do as I say and not as I do" attitude from a politician.
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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2008, 07:43:07 PM »
The bottom line is that if Arnie WANTED to clean up the contest he could do so.  But he doesn't WANT to.  If he did, the contest would be filled with a bunch of 195 pound ordinary looking guys.



As long as I know it's a pro contest - and I think I haven't seen a 195 pound ordinary looking pro yet... So if that is the case ASC wouldn't anymore be profssional bodybuilding contest at all... maybe it then should be ONLY fitness, martial arts, wrestling etc. contest - not a bb competition.

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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2008, 07:51:49 PM »
Oh, so it's ok for Arnold to make millions of dollars off the physique he built using steroids, but it's not ok for the rest of us plebes.

And that BS excuse of his that "we didn't know the risks of using steroids back then" doesn't wash. Steroids were around for decades before Arnold ever used them, he knew the risks.

Typical "do as I say and not as I do" attitude from a politician.

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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2008, 08:21:00 PM »
Arnold is the consumate proffessional, He can deflect questions about drug use in his contest as it makes up a small part of the circus which is the Arnold ,plus BB is a culture a fringe one at that,BB is not mainsteam never will be and is not a Sport, therefor the Olympic Commitie has no say in the matter.
Everyone knows BBs juice even my 7 month nephew,As long as we have Pros acting to the code of conduct.Example claiming to be natural,not selling drugs,keeping there noses clean there will never be a problem.
When we have morons like Hide(Trafficking)there should be suspensions of Pro cards
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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2008, 07:57:51 AM »
Arnold said last year :
"I have been fighting this battle for an endless amount of years. As a matter of fact, I was the first one to have actual drug testing at the competition,".........

......."They are not willing to do that(drug-test).They said that there will be lawsuits, that it will be illegal to do that to ask for the urine test," .......


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Do you guys believe his saying ??

Absolutely not true.  Drug testing takes place in nearly every mainstream sport for one type of drugs or another, be it recs or perf. enhancing.  Also, many jobs tests for rec drugs.  Drug testing is drug testing.  Makes no diff that its recs or anabolics.  So no lawsuits will happen.  Just another way for Arnold to avoid the issue.  Another bb'er lying to perpetuate the myth that their bodies are built thru hard work and nutrition.

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Re: Will Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his Arnold Classic this year?
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2008, 08:06:24 AM »
So what Arnold suppose to say again in this year's AC ??

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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2008, 08:45:34 AM »
Oh, so it's ok for Arnold to make millions of dollars off the physique he built using steroids, but it's not ok for the rest of us plebes.

And that BS excuse of his that "we didn't know the risks of using steroids back then" doesn't wash. Steroids were around for decades before Arnold ever used them, he knew the risks.

Typical "do as I say and not as I do" attitude from a politician.

Exactly! I have vintage muscle magazines that even back then talk they about "the risks".

That's the only thing that bothers me about Arnold is that he's such a hypocrite.  :(

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Re: Will Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his Arnold Classic this year?
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2008, 08:46:28 AM »
So what Arnold suppose to say again in this year's AC ??

"I used it. They can too." - Arnold Schwarzenegger  ;D

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Re: Will Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his Arnold Classic this year?
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2008, 08:51:05 AM »


As long as I know it's a pro contest - and I think I haven't seen a 195 pound ordinary looking pro yet... So if that is the case ASC wouldn't anymore be profssional bodybuilding contest at all... maybe it then should be ONLY fitness, martial arts, wrestling etc. contest - not a bb competition.

Perhaps this is the bigger plan.

You cancel the bodybuilding show, you'll still have 95% of the audience there.  Heck, that might mean more ppl will go to the UFC fight due to extra parking.  Maybe they'd RAISE attendance by cancelling the BBing show. 

Does anyone think that in 5 years (given political trends), there will no longer be a bodybuilding show at the Arnold Classic?

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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2008, 09:15:58 AM »
Oh, so it's ok for Arnold to make millions of dollars off the physique he built using steroids, but it's not ok for the rest of us plebes.

And that BS excuse of his that "we didn't know the risks of using steroids back then" doesn't wash. Steroids were around for decades before Arnold ever used them, he knew the risks.

Typical "do as I say and not as I do" attitude from a politician.

exactly...

there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that anabolic steroids played a significant role in arnold's success as a bber, which earned him box office status in the film industry and thus introduction to power brokers in congress (hell, he even married a kennedy).

now he is trying to wash his hands of his dirty past in a sad and most disingenuous attempt to portray a wholesome image as the anti-drug crusader.

what's next??? is he going to start preaching to pro bbers to 'just say no.'

i don't quite know why arnold is still associated with the ac. maybe he's trying to promote bbing to bring greater credibility to his past or maybe he's trying to keep his hard core fans interested? don't know... :-\

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Re: Will Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his Arnold Classic this year?
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2008, 09:42:02 AM »
I don't know about steroids but Arnold loves to hear the lamentations of the women.

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Re: Will Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his Arnold Classic this year?
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2008, 10:17:03 AM »
Perhaps this is the bigger plan.

You cancel the bodybuilding show, you'll still have 95% of the audience there.  Heck, that might mean more ppl will go to the UFC fight due to extra parking.  Maybe they'd RAISE attendance by cancelling the BBing show. 

Does anyone think that in 5 years (given political trends), there will no longer be a bodybuilding show at the Arnold Classic?

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Re: Will Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his Arnold Classic this year?
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2008, 10:40:43 AM »
I agree with Bodvar that saying fuck-all would be good.

Why the fuck can't someone say Hey, bodybuilding is still an insular sport in essence, no matter how big it gets. It's always been acknowledged within bodybuilding that steroids and other drugs are used, and I missed the part where it became anyone else's business.

Arnold, if he had any cajones, might ask the uppity assholes who harp on about steroids, exactly what his past drug use and drug use at his event has to do with his duties as California Governor.

Yeah, yeah, America's war on drugs, blah-blah horseshit. Anyone who cannot (or more likely will not) see the distinction between performance-enhancing steroids and crap like crack and meth, is an idiot, and we can all afford to ignore them.

By the way, Arnold's hypocrisy, self-serving and sound-biting is more of a lifelong personality trait than a recently-developed political tool.


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Re: Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his own contest ?
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2008, 04:40:52 PM »
Oh, so it's ok for Arnold to make millions of dollars off the physique he built using steroids, but it's not ok for the rest of us plebes.

And that BS excuse of his that "we didn't know the risks of using steroids back then" doesn't wash. Steroids were around for decades before Arnold ever used them, he knew the risks.

Typical "do as I say and not as I do" attitude from a politician.

Not necessarily!! He's not taking steroids now, is he? Risks or not, there were no legal issues, with regards to steroids use, when Schwarzenegger competed.


exactly...

there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that anabolic steroids played a significant role in arnold's success as a bber, which earned him box office status in the film industry and thus introduction to power brokers in congress (hell, he even married a kennedy).

now he is trying to wash his hands of his dirty past in a sad and most disingenuous attempt to portray a wholesome image as the anti-drug crusader.

what's next??? is he going to start preaching to pro bbers to 'just say no.'

i don't quite know why arnold is still associated with the ac. maybe he's trying to promote bbing to bring greater credibility to his past or maybe he's trying to keep his hard core fans interested? don't know... :-\

If Arnold were trying to wash his hand of his "dirty past", there would be no Arnold Classic, as I'm sure a number of his Hollywood buddies wonder why he still participates and is involved with bodybuilding.

In the 50th-birthday special that MuscleMag did for Arnold back in 1997, Robert Kennedy recaps an interview that Barbara Walters did with Arnold. During the commercial break, Walters made the comment that she didn't like Arnold, although she appreciated someone doing a story on a "tawdry" subject like bodybuilding. She planned to lambast Arnold, first by inquiring about his steroid use then by taking him to task, fully expecting him to deny it.

However, when she asked if he took them, Arnold said, "Yes, I do!!!". That completely dumbfounded Walters and, as the article describes it, Arnold simply charmed the pants, figuratively speaking (I hope) off her.

Steroids played little part in Arnold's supreme acting success. First of all, Arnold had to drop weight for a lot of his roles (even when he actually portrayed a bodybuilder). Second, without his hard work and tenacity, Arnold would have been little more than an extra (like those big burly guys you see in old-school movies like The Ten Commandments or "sword-and-sandal" flicks).

My question is simply this: How many of the folks here complaining about Arnold's lack of testing the Classic would actually still support the show, were he to do so? The first thing that would happen is we'd get a barrage of pessimists, talking about how easy it is to beat the tests.

Let's go back to 1992, when Vince McMahon did his drug-testing on his WBF bodybuilders. He brought in Dr. Mauro Dipasquale, who tested those guys for every thing but the kitchen sink. If you saw the 1992 WBF Championship (I saw it on pay-per-view and have it on tape), you know the results.

How many people supported McMahon for his efforts (notwithstanding his legal woes, at the time)? How many people stuck by the WBF in its effort to create a drug-free pro show on a grand scale?

Few, if any did!! In fact, the WBF guys got laughed to scorn. Dipasquale did exactly what people on this thread said should be done: He tested everyone in the WBF (granted, that was only 13 guys.....14, if you counted Lex Luger). He tested them several times a month. Mike Christian stated that he popped positive before the championship and lost a month's pay, $25,000. And, he started doing hormonal profiles to detect testosterone use, as he explained during the intermission (after the first 7 bodybuilders did their routines).

Were Schwarzenegger to do something similar, how many of us Getbig posters would stand behind him and his efforts?






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Re: Will Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his Arnold Classic this year?
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2008, 07:59:31 PM »
Are we absolutely sure that Arnold no longer uses anything? What kinda bodyweight does he carry around these days?

Remember, this is a guy who weighed 150 at about 6'1" prior to taking up bodybuilding. How much bigger would he really be at 60 had he never picked up a weight? Or a pin-and-plunger LOL!

In the absence of drugs and hard training, you will eventually shrink back to your somatotype, just as a naturally pudgy guy will get soft again if he drops the training and lets his diet lapse.


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Re: Will Schwarzenegger laments steroids in his Arnold Classic this year?
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2008, 08:04:26 PM »
Are we absolutely sure that Arnold no longer uses anything? What kinda bodyweight does he carry around these days?

Remember, this is a guy who weighed 150 at about 6'1" prior to taking up bodybuilding. How much bigger would he really be at 60 had he never picked up a weight? Or a pin-and-plunger LOL!

In the absence of drugs and hard training, you will eventually shrink back to your somatotype, just as a naturally pudgy guy will get soft again if he drops the training and lets his diet lapse.

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That was age 15 or 16, when he was that weight. Plenty of people were skinny as teenagers, before they started training. That doesn't mean that they just shrink back to their same size.