Interesting read on Munzer's last year and days

[Cleanest Natural]

and all this for some shitty muscles.
to be honest, i'd rather be skinny again and live healthy till i'm 100 years old.

U are already skynny ...why shrink more?

[suckmymuscle]

Andreas melted his liver.........

That's nothing like burning out the lining of your stomach from asparin.

BottomLine:  He wanted to burn brightly, at the expense of a long life......he decided to burn out rather than fade away.  There's a semblance of honor in that.....

Some people don't want to live to old age........this was the case with Andreas.



DIV

  No, there is no honor in that. If he had taken steroids to become big&strong and help his country win a war, or used it to make him mentally thougher to support his family, then yeah, there would be some honor in that. However, he died for nothing other than the visual pleasure of gay guys masturbating on bodybuilding shows. There is no honor in that.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[240 is Back]

what year did munzer die?

[vinnyvee]

  No, there is no honor in that. If he had taken steroids to become big&strong and help his country win a war, or used it to make him mentally thougher to support his family, then yeah, there would be some honor in that. However, he died for nothing other than the visual pleasure of gay guys masturbating on bodybuilding shows. There is no honor in that.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Your rhetoric forces me to wonder just why the fk you even post on this board.....

[The.Giant]

what year did munzer die?

`96

[Big Worm]

Why am I not surprised? The guy dies...And some white finds a comment about blacks funny? Hey d!ck...Read it again..He came in sixth.He also died..It's painfully obvious..You're driven by stupidity..

[suckmymuscle]

Your rhetoric forces me to wonder just why the fk you even post on this board.....

  Why? Because I believe that my health is more important than mass at all costs? I think that bodybuilding should be a healthy endeavour, and that big muscles shouldn't come at the expense of your health. The best physiques are always built either naturally or with low doses of sauce - think Eugene Sandow, Steve Reeves, Oliva and Arnold.. The ephebes shown in the statues of Ancient Greece had beautiful physiques, and they were built naturally.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[vinnyvee]

  Why? Because I believe that my health is more important than mass at all costs? I think that bodybuilding should be a healthy endeavour, and that big muscles shouldn't come at the expense of your health. The best physiques are always built either naturally or with low doses of sauce - think Eugene Sandow, Steve Reeves, Oliva and Arnold.. The ephebes shown in the statues of Ancient Greece had beautiful physiques, and they were built naturally.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Then send Croatch a pm and go get your pom pom's and log in on some natty board and yel 'HALLULUYAH"
The very name of this site should steer you away yet here you are pounding away at your bbing ethics and health n safety above all shtick. 
It's fkn dead already guy. Move on.........

[bigbiceps]

As far as no one being able to come close to Munzer's conditioning ... look no further, gentlemen.

Paco Bautista the Spaniard is always freacken shredded.  If they have guys like Ruhl placing high he should also place higher in American shows as well. 

[Van_Bilderass]

Yeah sure. Didn't you mean to say 5 different kinds of oral steroids and other tablets...

Bleeding ulcers from aspirin aren't unheard of at all. Could be true. Could even be the primary cause of Munzer's demise - don't know since AFAIK the autopsy results were sealed. Of course, if you get an ulcer from aspirin the other drugs you are taking can make the situation much worse.

[YoungBlood]

Bleeding ulcers from aspirin aren't unheard of at all. Could be true. Could even be the primary cause of Munzer's demise - don't know since AFAIK the autopsy results were sealed. Of course, if you get an ulcer from aspirin the other drugs you are taking can make the situation much worse.

A buddy of mine, the owner of a gym that I trained at for 3 years, used to hang with Dorian when Dorian came over here. Dorian flew him and his family to England for Christmas with his own family one year-as well as flying him to the '97 Olympia.
Dorian told my friend that one of the causes his bleeding was due to (if I remember the name correctly) Testax. As well, my friend said he used to see Dorian take Anadrol's "like candy, by the handful." Now, keep in mind, there is a certain ambiguity that lies in the term "like candy, by the handful." Could have been 3-4 tabs at a time, or half a bottle. But the principle of that phrase, was that it was a lot more than the average takes and Dorian himself blames this as the cause of the aforementioned bleeding.

[Van_Bilderass]

Dorian told my friend that one of the causes his bleeding was due to (if I remember the name correctly) Testax. As well, my friend said he used to see Dorian take Anadrol's "like candy, by the handful." Now, keep in mind, there is a certain ambiguity that lies in the term "like candy, by the handful." Could have been 3-4 tabs at a time, or half a bottle. But the principle of that phrase, was that it was a lot more than the average takes and Dorian himself blames this as the cause of the aforementioned bleeding.

Second or third hand info like this is always hard to verify. If it indeed was a bleeding ulcer then I don't think steroids cause that. I can't remember seeing that as a listed side. Stomach upset yes, but not ulceration. Certainly if something else caused the ulcer then the steroids could affect the bleeding, clotting times etc.

[slaveboy1980]

Second or third hand info like this is always hard to verify. If it indeed was a bleeding ulcer then I don't think steroids cause that. I can't remember seeing that as a listed side. Stomach upset yes, but not ulceration. Certainly if something else caused the ulcer then the steroids could affect the bleeding, clotting times etc.

van bilderass: what do you think of training a muscle once a week?

[Van_Bilderass]

van bilderass: what do you think of training a muscle once a week?

May not be optimal, more frequently is probably better. Less frequent training probably works better in steroid users since protein synthesis is artificially elevated for a longer period of time.

[slaveboy1980]

May not be optimal, more frequently is probably better. Less frequent training probably works better in steroid users since protein synthesis is artificially elevated for a longer period of time.

 

it doesnt matter in the long run.

[YoungBlood]

Second or third hand info like this is always hard to verify. If it indeed was a bleeding ulcer then I don't think steroids cause that. I can't remember seeing that as a listed side. Stomach upset yes, but not ulceration. Certainly if something else caused the ulcer then the steroids could affect the bleeding, clotting times etc.

You are correct, and my friends memory may be blurry, and I fully admit to not knowing certain things (drug names, dosage, sides etc...).
My point was that my friend told me that Dorian himself felt it was the steroids/hormones, and not aspirin (a la Tom Prince) that were the cause. Or another way to say it; the drugs were the cause and he wasn't making excuses for himself and trying to justify his steroid use by saying it was something else (again, Tom Prince blaming Advil instead of the-most likely-massive doses of juice he employed weekly for years on end).

[The Greek Wolf]

The Munich Andi would play the zugzwang. He hit some heavy cycles: he injected two ampoules of testosterone a day; he took the oral steroids Halotestin and Anabol; he combined them with Masteron and Parabolan; he used between four and 24 units of the growth hormone STH. Steroids aided muscle repair and general recovery; they allowed him to train with greater intensity. He combined different steroid types to maximum effect. He found that STH, the synthetic growth hormone, mimicked human growth hormone; it made everything grow - muscles, bones, organs, tissues. He ate 6-8,000 calories a day to nourish his muscles. He used insulin to stimulate his metabolism and churn the calories more quickly; he used at least five aspirin tablets each morning to thin his blood and help with the pain of training; he used ephedrine and Captagon to increase his intensity on the weights.

Fifteen weeks or so from competition, he would begin a rigorous diet designed to reduce his body fat. He would come down to 2,000 calories a day. In the days and hours before a show he used Aldactone and Lasix, both diuretics, to rid himself of the last of his water. Most pros would get close to competition shape once or twice a year. Anything else demanded too much; Andi maintained a reputation for always being in shape, or close to it.

The stomach pains had begun some months before Andi went to Columbus, Ohio, for the 1996 Arnold Classic. At first it was just more pain, and pain was the currency of muscle. Andi paid it little heed. It dug in and nestled down with all the other pain: the agonies of training, the banal deprivations of dieting down, the pulls, nicks, strains, jags and twists of the gym. But it kept coming back and its payload was different. A connoisseur of pain like Andi would soon have been able to tell. He would have been able to recognise it and rank it as something special in the pain game, something more exotic than the stuff he usually bore. He began to mention it to friends at the gym. He tried some health cures that would strengthen his stomach lining. Perhaps if Andi had quit training then, if he had turned away from the withering deprivations of another round of competition and stopped juicing he might have survived. Instead, the boy from Pack made himself ready to compete in front of the boy from Thal, in front of his hero.

After his sixth place at the Arnold Classic on 2 March 1996, Andi's mood remained low. 'Man, why don't you laugh?' a German official had said. 'You're the best white guy behind five Negroes.' Andi was never going to laugh at that. Best white guy. Best German speaker. All of the pain and deprivation, all of the gym seminars and pain-filled nights for those worthless epithets.

On the morning of 13 March, Andi's stomach pains became intense. His gut was swollen and hard. His bill had come in. He was fairly sure that this time he couldn't meet it. The debt was too big. The agony grew.

He was taken to hospital. Doctors there diagnosed the bleed, but could not prevent it continuing. He was transferred to the University Clinic. At 7pm, surgeons decided to operate to stop the bleeding inside Andi's stomach. Andi came through the operation, but his problems had multiplied catastrophically. His blood was viscous and slow-moving. His potassium levels were excessively high. He had been dehydrated by the diuretics he used in the days before his last competitions. His liver was melting. A post-mortem would find that it had dissolved almost completely. Andi's body went into shock. After his liver failed, his kidneys did too. He was offered a blood transfusion, but it was too late. Andi's heart held out for a while - he had always had a big heart - but by morning Munzer had joined the ranks of the bodybuilding dead.

Arnold Schwarzenegger sent a wreath from Hollywood to Andi's grave in Styria. The message was simple. It read: 'A last greeting to a friend.'

Interesting read.

[delta9mda]

his liver did not dissolve. he had blood filled cysts. hepatis peliosis was something i read about. also something about the drugs docs gave him didnt work because of other things in his system. still sad.

[gmflex]

He died for us bitches