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3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« on: March 21, 2008, 09:20:13 AM »
Will be a problem for travelers. 

3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law

Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:00 PM

COLUMBIA, S.C. -- With a deadline looming for states to seek extensions on complying with stricter driver's license requirements, South Carolina lawmakers urged the governor Thursday to ask for one so residents won't be hampered when boarding airplanes or entering federal buildings.

South Carolina, Maine and Montana are the only states that have not sought extensions or moved toward compliance with the Real ID law, which was passed after the 2001 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff has argued that standards need to be raised for obtaining government-issued IDs. Driver's licenses compliant with Real ID would have several layers of new security features to prevent forgery. They would also be issued after a number of identity checks, including verification of birth certificates.

Other states have balked at implementing the requirements, saying they are costly, impractical and an invasion of privacy. Six, including South Carolina, have passed measures saying they won't comply, the most extreme stances among more than two dozen states that have complained.

Chertoff has warned that any state that does not seek an extension by the end of March will find that, come May, their residents will not be able to use their licenses to board domestic flights. Federal authorities hope all states will be in compliance with the law in 2011.

Proponents said that the South Carolina resolution was an effort to buy time to review the federal law, but that legislators still oppose it.

"We're not just simply thumbing our nose at the federal government," said state Sen. Larry Martin, a Republican. "The black letter of the law is we will not comply with Real ID."

Meanwhile Thursday, Chertoff held a conference call with six governors tapped by the National Governors Association to talk about the law. South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, along with the governors of Arizona, Delaware, Georgia, Nevada and Pennsylvania, took part in the call, said Homeland Security spokeswoman Amy Kudwa.

"We're pleased that states continue to work with us toward implementation and this will be an ongoing dialogue," she said.

Sanford spokesman Joel Sawyer said that the governor is considering the extension application and that the March 31 deadline wasn't mentioned during the phone call. The governors used the call to talk to Chertoff about concerns with Real ID, including costs, he said.

South Carolina estimates that it will have to pay $16 million to implement the identification program in 2010 and then $10 million yearly afterward. Sanford has railed against the prospect of requiring residents to shell out $60 for driver's licenses that last eight years when they now pay $25 for one lasting 10.

His office says that requiring birth certificates to be scanned before licenses can be issued will snarl motor vehicle offices and that a three-week wait for people to get licenses is unacceptable.

Kudwa said estimated costs of complying with the program have come down by 73 percent to $3.9 billion and that the added cost for a driver's license should be about $8. Meanwhile, the agency is offering about $380 million in grants for states to comply.

New Hampshire has asked for a compliance extension but told Homeland Security it won't comply with the Real ID law. That doesn't square with the agency's view of those requests.

"An extension request is not an extension simply for more time, it's an extension to move toward compliance. So it needs to be a good-faith request for extension," Kudwa said.

Citizens from states that don't get extensions will have to show passports or federal IDs to board planes or enter federal buildings to avoid the hassle of more rigorous security screening.

Last year, Sanford sought and won a state law that bars South Carolina from complying with the federal law. Five other states passed similar laws: Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington.

Given Homeland Security's interpretation, signing an extension would mean Sanford, a Republican long on libertarian leanings, would be breaking the law he sought and signed, Sawyer said. Others are in similar positions.

"If it does come to a head, we've found it is best just to tell them to go to hell, and run your state the way you want to run your state," Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat, said last week.

Maine Gov. John Baldacci, also a Democrat, said he plans to respond by the March 31 deadline. His staff on Thursday continued to review the waiver language to determine the best way to respond to Homeland Security, but his press office said that doesn't mean the state will seek an extension. Baldacci has said he does not want Mainers inconvenienced because of insufficient credentials.


http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/govs_reject_real_ID/2008/03/20/82003.html

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2008, 10:32:47 AM »
If enough states would get on board against real ID, they could call the shots on the issue.  I thought it was more than 3 states?

So people who don't get this Identification Marker, in a short time, will not be able to well do much of anything... This sounds familiar... hmmm :-\

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2008, 10:35:54 AM »
Is this another way to moniter the american people, and force them to adhere or else lose flying privledges??
Some states are bucking it, so i imagine its a step toward globalizing the world???

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2008, 10:46:38 AM »
Is this another way to moniter the american people, and force them to adhere or else lose flying privledges??
Some states are bucking it, so i imagine its a step toward globalizing the world???
It's actually much more, there are Zero restrictions on what they can require real ID to be used for or require what is on Real ID.  The gov gave them a blank check with no oversight on what they do with Real ID.  Great huh...  If you don't get the ID you will not be able to have a bank account, you won't be able to fly, you won't be able to do a lot of things and that's just to start with.  As they tack on requirements, practically speaking, this will become the mythical mark of the beast.

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2008, 11:00:56 AM »
It's actually much more, there are Zero restrictions on what they can require real ID to be used for or require what is on Real ID.  The gov gave them a blank check with no oversight on what they do with Real ID.  Great huh...  If you don't get the ID you will not be able to have a bank account, you won't be able to fly, you won't be able to do a lot of things and that's just to start with.  As they tack on requirements, practically speaking, this will become the mythical mark of the beast.


Damn bro.  Your right...it says those that do not comply will have to find their own way......shit!!!

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2008, 11:01:32 AM »
its for a reason folks

its fixing this problem, finally


it also keeps people off planes that shouldnt be. and if you think the wrong people havnt used fake id's to get on planes. your wrong.

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2008, 11:03:57 AM »
There is some opposition to this in Washington:

Posted: Thursday, March 13th, 2008 5:08 AM HST  
Senators ask feds to scrap Real ID deadline  

By Associated Press  

HELENA, Mont. (AP) _ Hawaii Senator Daniel Akaka has joined a number of colleagues in opposition to a May eleventh deadline for compliance with federal Real ID rules.

Akaka and the others sent a letter today to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. They asked him to scrap the deadline or answer their questions about the process.

Two of the other senators are Jon Tester and Max Baucus of Montana. It is one of just a few states that have refused to seek an extension to identification rules.

Homeland Security says residents from noncompliant states could face extra screenings at airports and federal buildings.

The senators told Chertoff the deadline is ``arbitrary and ineffective'' and imposes unnecessary burdens without enhancing national security.  

http://www.kpua.net/news.php?id=14174

We have until Dec. 09 to implement.  http://starbulletin.com/2008/03/16/news/kokualine.html

The government already has our birth certificates, social security numbers, driver's license numbers, etc., etc.  

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2008, 11:16:14 AM »
kh300.  I want security tightened also.  but the law is so broad that it gives unlimited power to violate our own citizens......

We could tighten our borders and airports here if all the guys wernt overseas fighting to make the rich, richer.

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2008, 11:27:16 AM »
its for a reason folks

its fixing this problem, finally


it also keeps people off planes that shouldnt be. and if you think the wrong people havnt used fake id's to get on planes. your wrong.

I'm for fixing that problem too, but you don't need to go to the extreme of giving DHS a blank check for whatever they want to do with Real ID.  I know you work for them so you don't dare oppose something online that comes from the agency you work with.  Your opinion is prolly a bit bias on this ;D

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2008, 11:36:38 AM »
kh300.  I want security tightened also.  but the law is so broad that it gives unlimited power to violate our own citizens......

We could tighten our borders and airports here if all the guys wernt overseas fighting to make the rich, richer.

i can agree with you there. that money would be better spent inside our borders. but keep in mind, the laws we make such as this id thing is to protect you. it is not to violate power or spy on the american citizen. its for the few that want to do harm. these id's will help identify the good guys from the bad.

what power will these id's have that we already dont?

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2008, 11:45:23 AM »
i can agree with you there. that money would be better spent inside our borders. but keep in mind, the laws we make such as this id thing is to protect you. it is not to violate power or spy on the american citizen. its for the few that want to do harm. these id's will help identify the good guys from the bad.

what power will these id's have that we already dont?


i understand that half of the coin.....do you understand the other?   I dont trust the gov't.....bush destroyed my blind faith in it.

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2008, 11:47:49 AM »
i can agree with you there. that money would be better spent inside our borders. but keep in mind, the laws we make such as this id thing is to protect you. it is not to violate power or spy on the american citizen. its for the few that want to do harm. these id's will help identify the good guys from the bad.

what power will these id's have that we already dont?


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read about communism  ;)

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2008, 11:59:57 AM »

 :o

read about communism  ;)




Yes, we're on the same path.  Our forefathers would freak if they knew whats going on....

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2008, 12:16:37 PM »
what power will these id's have that we already dont?
That's a good question since it's totally up to DHS.  They can at their own discretion require whatever they want on Real ID...  I don't like any portion of government no matter what good they think they're doing to have a blank check to do what they want.   I would rather the higher offices stick to their oath and defend the constitution.  Now we have Bush and all you guys who swear an oath to defend the Constitution saying you take an oath to defend the people. It is not one and the same thing, the framers did not create the oath worded to protect the people intentionally and for good reason as any number of tyrannies can be justified in the name of protecting the people.  "It's for your own good" makes me cringe when it comes from the gov, thanks but no thanks ;)

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Re: 3 Governors Won't Comply with Real ID Law
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2008, 12:22:36 PM »
Yeah, it just takes a swipe of the pen for a nat'l ID card to be abused big time.

You may know in your hearts that Bush would never abuse his power, but you never know what the next hilary will do ;)