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Released Gitmo Detainee Commits Homicide Bombing in Iraq
« on: May 07, 2008, 11:03:11 PM »
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updated 4:44 p.m. EDT, Wed May 7, 2008
 
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This photo of Abdullah Saleh al-Ajmi was posted on a jihadist Web site.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Kuwaiti man released from U.S. custody at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in 2005 blew himself up in a suicide attack in Iraq last month, Pentagon officials said Wednesday.

Abdullah Saleh al-Ajmi was one of two Kuwaitis who took part in a suicide attack in Mosul on April 26, the officials said. Records show that an attack in Mosul that day targeted an Iraqi police patrol and left six people dead, including two police officers.

An announcement on a jihadist Web site earlier this month declared that al-Ajmi was one of the "heroes" who carried out the Mosul operation. A second man from Kuwait also took part in the suicide attack, the Web site said.

Pentagon officials who had been keeping track of al-Ajmi said they were aware he had left Kuwait for Syria, a launching ground for terrorists into Iraq.

A video posted on various jihadist Web sites shows a number of images of al-Ajmi, followed by text reading, "May God have mercy on you Abdullah al-Ajmi. I send you a warm greeting O you martyr, O you hero, O you, a man in a time where only few men are left."

U.S. military records of Guantanamo detainees indicate that a man with the same name and nationality was held at the Cuban prison.

Those records said al-Ajmi, 29, was picked up in Afghanistan as he tried to enter Pakistan after the 2001 U.S. invasion. He claimed to have fought for the Taliban, the records show, and said he fought in a number of battles against the Northern Alliance.  Watch a firefight in Afghanistan »

Though he was never charged with any crime, al-Ajmi was held at Guantanamo through 2005. Military documents show he later claimed that his statements about fighting for the Taliban were made after he was threatened while in U.S. custody. He asserted that he was in Afghanistan to study the Quran.

Al-Ajmi was transferred to the custody of Kuwaiti authorities in November 2005, with four other Kuwaitis, and was released after a trial there, according to Pentagon officials.

Al-Ajmi is not the first former Guantanamo detainee to reportedly return to the battlefield after being released. Pentagon officials say there are more than 10 people once held by the U.S. at Guantanamo who have been killed or captured in fighting after being released from the detention facility.

"Our reports indicate that a number of former [Guantanamo Bay] detainees have taken part in anti-coalition militant activities after leaving U.S. detention. Some have subsequently been killed in combat," said Cmdr. Jeff Gordon, a Pentagon spokesman.

Documents provided by the Pentagon show other former detainees returning to the battlefield, including Abdullah Mahsud, who was released from Guantanamo in 2004. He returned to Afghanistan, where he became a militant leader in the Mahsud tribe in southern Waziristan, the documents said.

"We have since discovered that he had been associated with the Taliban since his teen years and has been described as an al Qaeda-linked facilitator.

"In mid-October 2004, Mahsud directed the kidnapping of two Chinese engineers in Pakistan. During rescue operations by Pakistani forces, a kidnapper shot one of the hostages. Five of the kidnappers were killed. Mahsud was not among them," the documents provided by the Pentagon said.

"As these facts illustrate, there is an implied future risk to U.S. and allied interests with every detainee who is released or transferred from Guantanamo," Gordon said.

Reports of former detainees returning to the battlefield show they are dedicated to their cause and have been trained to be deceptive, the Pentagon officials said, but such factors will not prevent the release of other detainees from Guantanamo Bay.

Of the more than 500 detainees released from Guantanamo since the detention camp was opened in 2002, 38 have been stripped of their "enemy combatant" status and determined to pose no future threat to the United States. The remaining 462 were repatriated to home countries or resettled to third-party countries and still considered a threat, Pentagon records show.

Some countries have since released those detainees back into the public, according to various reports.

The United States is still holding about 65 detainees scheduled to be released to their home governments. But before that can happen, the United States has to get assurances the detainees will not be persecuted or harmed when they arrive home, Pentagon officials have said.

"We have no desire to be the world's jailer, which is why the 500 were allowed to depart," Gordon said.

There are about 270 detainees still held at the U.S. prison camp in Cuba.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/07/gitmo.bomber/index.html

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Released Gitmo Detainee Commits Homicide Bombing in Iraq
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 10:11:49 AM »
Released Gitmo Detainee Commits Homicide Bombing in Iraq
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Three years ago, Abdullah Saleh al-Ajmi, a Kuwaiti soldier who deserted to fight in Afghanistan alongside the Taliban, sat in a detention cell at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, while lawyers argued whether he was an "enemy combatant."

Last week, a Dubai-based television channel reported that al-Ajmi was killed carrying out a homicide bombing in Mosul, Iraq.

While the report did not specify which attack Abdullah carried out, Iraqi officials reported that Mosul was hit on April 26 by three homicide attacks, killing seven people.

CBS News reported that al-Ajmi carried out an attack on Wednesday, April 30, according to an unconfirmed report posted on a jihadist Web site.

. . . .  Abdullah Saleh al-Ajmi, who was repatriated to Kuwait in November, 2005, was free on bail there awaiting trial on charges he helped to raise money for Al Qaeda.

U.S. counterterrorism analysts argued in a review of al-Ajmi's activities that he should not be released or returned to Kuwait based on the following:
— That he deserted from the Kuwaiti army to participate in a jihad in Afghanistan;

— The Taliban supplied him with arms, including grenades;

— He admitted fighting with the Taliban, including engaging in two or three firefights;

— He was captured by coalition forces in the Tora Bora region, an area once thought to be a hideout of Usama bin Laden;

— That upon his arrival at Guantanamo he demonstrated "aggressive" behavior; and,

— Based on a review of classified and unclassified documents, al-Ajmi was declared a threat to the United States and its allies.

Al-Ajmi denied all charges that he was an enemy combatant and a jihadist, and that documented statements were untrue.

He was repatriated to Kuwaiti authorities on Nov. 3, 2005.

Salem al-Ajmi said his cousin had a son after his return to Kuwait.

Reuters reported that Salem al-Ajmi said there were no indications his cousin planned to join Al Qaeda in Iraq, although he had become less sociable in the period leading up to his disappearance.

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Re: Released Gitmo Detainee Commits Homicide Bombing in Iraq
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 10:14:06 AM »
Gee, maybe the United States has a point when it says that many of the remaining enemy combatants detained at Guantanamo should not be released.

Why, just three years ago, we got to hear how Abdullah Saleh al-Ajmi wasn't an enemy combatant.  He was just a poor, misunderstood fellow.  So al-Ajmi was sent back to Kuwait and freed.  Guess what al-Ajmi did to celebrate?

Why, a homicide bombing in Iraq, of course..good job lib douchebags. At what point will u realize we are at war. Oh and don't give me the BS that Gitmo turned him into a nutbag. HE DESERTED THE KUWAITI ARMY TO JOIN THE TALIBAN...not farm bunny rabbits and pick daisies.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 10:21:22 AM »
can't they just throw them in american prisons?

it would shut up the people who complain about the conditions of living in fenses in cuba.
it would keep them from getting out and blowing shit up.


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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 10:25:53 AM »
They are enemy combatants and not subject to US judicial law. I had along and very painful conversation with an Army Full Bird Jag officer dealing with this very thing, today....long and painful.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 10:31:40 AM »
why not just "award" them the status of any other regular criminal?

They would still be in jail but we (the US) wouldn't have to deal with the argument that they are beng treated differently than any other criminal

If not - then let's stop being coy and just interrogate them until the point that they have nothing else to give and then just execute them.

Maybe put them through a wood chipper and make the rest of the gang watch

I'm in a weird mood this morning

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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2008, 10:35:51 AM »
They are enemy combatants and not subject to US judicial law. I had along and very painful conversation with an Army Full Bird Jag officer dealing with this very thing, today....long and painful.

I understand that part.

the other argument is that you have kids in there who get out, find their villiage/family got cooked in the war, and they have nothing to live for, and they exact revenge on the group that imprisoned them for 6 years and took their life from them.

don't get me wrong - i think we should have just capped them all to begin with.  gitmo is a horrible idea though - just like abu ghirab, it gave the left anti-war people, and the jihadists, a 'cause'.

if these punks had been sent to some other place, under arab control, they'd have a lot less recruiting tool.  instead, those images of men in orange in fence houses - that motivates young terrroists to fight.

i'd say we give them to afghan/iraqi govt with an agreement they all get 30 years or something.  they'll get their rights, and we'll be out by the time they get out.

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Re: Released Gitmo Detainee Commits Homicide Bombing in Iraq
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2008, 10:59:50 AM »
Hahaha, more than 10 people who have been killed, recaptured in fighting or blown themselves up since being released. Yeah, they're completely innocent alright.  ::)


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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2008, 11:25:46 AM »
We invade a country stocked with religious nuts and we're surprised that this is how they react?

10 people fought back after being tortured and released by the US.  That's almost as bad as watching 100,000+ of your countrymen killed, your country bombed and your life ruined.

As I've said before, those damn towelheads just don't appreciate what we are doing for them. 

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2008, 12:46:40 PM »
I agree Decker...lets pack our shit and leave...if it where that damm simple. Straw..if we did that please imagine the bullshit that we'd face. I like the woodchipper idea...big freezers and then make em into fertilizer.
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2008, 12:52:47 PM »

That little fag was a soldier?

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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2008, 01:30:50 PM »
We invade a country stocked with religious nuts and we're surprised that this is how they react?

10 people fought back after being tortured and released by the US.  That's almost as bad as watching 100,000+ of your countrymen killed, your country bombed and your life ruined.

As I've said before, those damn towelheads just don't appreciate what we are doing for them. 

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

You obviously don't read too well. First off, he was picked up in Afghanistan after deserting the KUWAIT army to wage jihad, not Iraq. Secondly, he's from Kuwait. He's not an Iraqi or an Afghani, so he wasn't "oppressed" and "his" country people weren't being killed. Secondly, he was probably over there killing civilians alongside the rest of AQI. Gee, a FOREIGNER from another Arab country killing native Muslims. Sounds like what you're crying about the US doing.

They should just make these people slowly disappear from the face of the earth.

Edit: I actually take that back. He wasn't "possibly" killing Iraqi civilians. He did kill them when he blew himself up at a police checkpoint. Wow, so he blatantly targeted native Iraqis. Oh, he's so innocent!  ::)

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Re: Released Gitmo Detainee Commits Homicide Bombing in Iraq
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2008, 02:18:40 PM »
Hahaha, more than 10 people who have been killed, recaptured in fighting or blown themselves up since being released. Yeah, they're completely innocent alright.  ::)



We know they go back and fight, that has been a no brainer for most of the thinking people on here, only thing we need to question is how did they get out in the first place?

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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2008, 02:24:55 PM »

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You obviously don't read too well.
Fine. 
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First off, he was picked up in Afghanistan after deserting the KUWAIT army to wage jihad, not Iraq. Secondly, he's from Kuwait. He's not an Iraqi or an Afghani, so he wasn't "oppressed" and "his" country people weren't being killed. Secondly, he was probably over there killing civilians alongside the rest of AQI. Gee, a FOREIGNER from another Arab country killing native Muslims. Sounds like what you're crying about the US doing.
Afghanistan or Iraq, it doesn't matter to me.  But for the US's illegal invasion of both countries, the entire middle east would not be inflamed.
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They should just make these people slowly disappear from the face of the earth.
Spoken like a true homicidal maniac.
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Edit: I actually take that back. He wasn't "possibly" killing Iraqi civilians. He did kill them when he blew himself up at a police checkpoint. Wow, so he blatantly targeted native Iraqis. Oh, he's so innocent!  ::)
No one's claiming innocence except for you and your typical straw arguments.

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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2008, 02:34:00 PM »
Fine.  Afghanistan or Iraq, it doesn't matter to me.  But for the US's illegal invasion of both countries, the entire middle east would not be inflamed.Spoken like a true homicidal maniac.No one's claiming innocence except for you and your typical straw arguments.

If he's so inflammed at the US's invasion, why did he blow himself up at a checkpoint of only IRAQIS with no US soldiers around? Wow, a Kuwaiti blindly killing innocent Iraqis. Face it, AQI is not fighting for the Muslim cause. They're fighting to instill their beliefs and motives on another country's people. This guy is no different than the US you're railing against. Love the hypocrisy though!  :D

By the way, spoken like a true homicidal maniac? Are you insinuating that this guy deserved to be released and let back out? He killed six innocent Iraqis trying to make a living working as policemen. He blindly targeted the people of another country. There were no Americans around. He killed Iraqis. He's a piece of shit who deserved death. It's just sad he got it with six other guys doing their job in their home country.

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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2008, 02:48:02 PM »

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If he's so inflammed at the US's invasion, why did he blow himself up at a checkpoint of only IRAQIS with no US soldiers around? Wow, a Kuwaiti blindly killing innocent Iraqis. Face it, AQI is not fighting for the Muslim cause. They're fighting to instill their beliefs and motives on another country's people. This guy is no different than the US you're railing against. Love the hypocrisy though!  :D
What hypocrisy?  How on earth can you read hypocrisy into what I wrote?  But for the destabalization of the middle  east, Iraq wouldn't be in a civil war, Al Qaeda would not be making the trip to Iraq, nuts like the one in this article wouldn't be uncorked to practice their 'heroics'.

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By the way, spoken like a true homicidal maniac? Are you insinuating that this guy deserved to be released and let back out? He killed six innocent Iraqis trying to make a living working as policemen. He blindly targeted the people of another country. There were no Americans around. He killed Iraqis. He's a piece of shit who deserved death. It's just sad he got it with six other guys doing their job in their home country.
No I'm not insinuating anything about this guy.  I'm flat out calling you a homicidal maniac b/c you want ".,.. these people slowly disappear from the face of the earth." 

Now if by "these people" you meant this guy in the article, then I'm wrong and I apologize to you.  But I don't think you were making that reference.

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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2008, 02:54:36 PM »
What hypocrisy?  How on earth can you read hypocrisy into what I wrote?  But for the destabalization of the middle  east, Iraq wouldn't be in a civil war, Al Qaeda would not be making the trip to Iraq, nuts like the one in this article wouldn't be uncorked to practice their 'heroics'.
No I'm not insinuating anything about this guy.  I'm flat out calling you a homicidal maniac b/c you want ".,.. these people slowly disappear from the face of the earth." 

Now if by "these people" you meant this guy in the article, then I'm wrong and I apologize to you.  But I don't think you were making that reference.


Well, you're wrong. I'm talking about these pieces of shit that we're releasing from Gitmo because the rest of the world is upset with us. I'm all for treating these guys the exact same way they would treat a captured US soldier. Severe torture followed by brutal execution. It's a shame we have to abide by the Geneva Conventions and these clowns don't.

This guy isn't justified in any way whatsoever. These foreign muslims are scum. They're in Iraq to further their own agendas. They couldn't give two flying fucks about the native Iraqis, as evidenced by this guy killing six of them.

You were being a hypocrite as well. You were applauding a foreigner for killing six innocent Iraqis and standing up for his "imaginary" rights while faulting Americans for apparently doing the same thing.  ::)

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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2008, 07:18:39 AM »
..You were being a hypocrite as well. You were applauding a foreigner for killing six innocent Iraqis and standing up for his "imaginary" rights while faulting Americans for apparently doing the same thing.  ::)
You are making asinine statements here.  The hypocrisy exists in your mind only.

Nobody has mentioned rights but you. 

Nobody is applauding this animal.

Americans should be faulted for voting in that war criminal Bush whose authorized more murders than Al Qaeda could dream of.

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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2008, 07:30:44 AM »
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That was the point and it has happend many many times...

Yank billy bob out of Alabama and torture him for a few years, shit on his bible and confederate flag then set him free,... What the fuck do you think is going to happen with little Billy?

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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2008, 07:34:42 AM »
That was the point and it has happend many many times...

Yank billy bob out of Alabama and torture him for a few years, shit on his bible and confederate flag then set him free,... What the fuck do you think is going to happen with little Billy?
Exactly.

Diagnosing the problem is not endorsing the problem.

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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2008, 09:38:35 AM »
That was the point and it has happend many many times...

Yank billy bob out of Alabama and torture him for a few years, shit on his bible and confederate flag then set him free,... What the fuck do you think is going to happen with little Billy?

This guy wasn't yanked out of his freedoms. He had a good life in Kuwait, a very healthy and fine country, and was captured waging jihad in Afghanistan. He chose to desert his army and go fight for his retarded cause. Should have been interrogated and executed.

He wasn't even attacking Americans. He was targeting innocent Iraqis. I'm lost as to how us torturing and imprisoning an enemy fighter is the reason he decided to blow up six Iraqi cops and zero Americans. He's fighting for those Iraqi freedoms alright!!!  ::)

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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2008, 09:41:47 AM »
This guy wasn't yanked out of his freedoms. He had a good life in Kuwait, a very healthy and fine country, and was captured waging jihad in Afghanistan. He chose to desert his army and go fight for his retarded cause. Should have been interrogated and executed.

He wasn't even attacking Americans. He was targeting innocent Iraqis. He's fighting for those Iraqi freedoms alright!!!  ::)
Yeah, you're right.  The violence has devolved into shia on shia and sunni on sunni and shia v sunni.  It's why every honest assessment of Iraq shows it to be a first rate cluster fuck (notwithstanding the fairy tales about the successes of The Surge)

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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2008, 09:50:02 AM »
Yeah, you're right.  The violence has devolved into shia on shia and sunni on sunni and shia v sunni.  It's why every honest assessment of Iraq shows it to be a first rate cluster fuck (notwithstanding the fairy tales about the successes of The Surge)

Sadly that's true. Unfortunately, if we left it would probably be the biggest cluster fuck seen since Pol Pot and co felt like killing a few million of their people. Not that I'm not for letting these morons kill each other over a fabricated story book.