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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2007, 05:13:16 PM »
I'm not sure.  It was more than 20 years ago.  

I don't think their hatred was caused by our foreign policy. based on what I've heard from people who have spent time in the Middle East, much of that part of the world hates our entire "Western" way of life.  They believe we are evil, corrupt, etc. and there is really nothing we can do to change that.  Dude, they call us "The Great Satan."   :-\  
not actually true in Iran, we completely earned our reputation there.  Note that after 9/11 most of Iran all the way to the top was very sympathetic to America denouncing terrorism...  Often criticism is not against the people of America, but US policy. Without their help, toppling the taliban would have been much harder.  The possibilities after 9/11, mended ties and a path toward unprecedented cooperation with Iran.  But we didn't get every last thing ASAP from Iran... The result, Bush decided to just say fuck ya all and declare them part of the axis of evil... wow, the diplomacy skills... oh brother...  Now, as I said, our rep with Iranians is well earned.  You can go into museums over there that display American subversive influence over the last half century in Iranian affairs...  Had we not gone down these roads, we might be in a very different place with Iran today...  You mention 20 years ago, go figure, you mean when we were arming Saddam to the hilt to fight Iran?  I can't imagine what their beef would be...  Now here we are today, openly admitting to having special forces in Iran working up opposition and supporting the MEK???  MEK??? come on they're just as bad if not worse?  Here we are, after totally fucking up their country via subversive crap acting once again like we don't truly give a rats ass about freedom and democracy for the people there...  MEK??? oh brother...  Hard to fathom why they have such opinions of us...

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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2007, 05:34:42 PM »
Beach, HH6, I'm curious... The same treaty that holds Iran to a commitment of not obtaining nukes is to my knowledge the same one Israel refused to sign.  Do you think it would be fair that we insist all sides in the region lose their WMD?  I do, bigtime...  If my enemy had nukes, I would want nukes no matter what... If my enemy didn't have nukes, I would be much more willing to drop such ambitions... Or is it truly OK for us to give a pass on some nations and get all strict with others in the region?  Also, if the United States pulls from weapons treaties at will, why should other nations hold to signed treaties?  Doesn't it kind of take all the power out of treaties when the world superpower disregards them at will?
hahah beserker, how dare you bring unbiased reason into this.
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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2007, 05:36:33 PM »
hahah beserker, how dare you bring unbiased reason into this.
great post
notice the great answers I got to those questions :D

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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2007, 05:40:55 PM »
I understand where you're come from.  You may be giving them too much credit.  I just have a hard time trusting Iran.  I remember seeing images on TV as a kid showing Iranians (including children) chanting "death to America" and burning American flags.  That really colors my perception. 

And Israel will always be our ally.  One of the few friends we have in the  Middle East.     
remember beach thats the image they wanted to feed you, thats exactly what they wanted people to think.

while lots of them may have been calling for 'DEATH TO AMERICA' , consider how many americans are calling for 'DEATH TO IRAN'.

it works both ways. the publics' viewpoint is heavily influenced by the politically biased info the media spams them with. its the same everywhere

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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2007, 10:31:26 PM »
Beach, HH6, I'm curious... The same treaty that holds Iran to a commitment of not obtaining nukes is to my knowledge the same one Israel refused to sign.  Do you think it would be fair that we insist all sides in the region lose their WMD?  I do, bigtime...  If my enemy had nukes, I would want nukes no matter what... If my enemy didn't have nukes, I would be much more willing to drop such ambitions... Or is it truly OK for us to give a pass on some nations and get all strict with others in the region?  Also, if the United States pulls from weapons treaties at will, why should other nations hold to signed treaties?  Doesn't it kind of take all the power out of treaties when the world superpower disregards them at will?

I think disarming is much more difficult than preventing a country from obtaining WMDs.  Once they have them, the genie is out of the bottle.  It might be fair to ask all sides in the region to give up their nukes, but it's not going to happen. 

The cold hard truth is not all nations deserve the same amount of deference when it comes to nukes.  We have to worry about Libya but not Canada, Cuba but not the UK, North Korea but not Israel, etc. 

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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2007, 06:59:52 AM »
Fair...who cares about fair, i'm an American. The deal with Iran prior to 1979 was all about the Soviet Union...nothing else. Nobody cared on either side what they had to do as long as they could do something to try and destabilize the other. If that ment fighting or supporting proxy wars, dictators or subverting governments, so be it.  We didn't do this stuff in a vaccum...we had the Soviet bear to deal with.  Iran shouldn't have nukes because they're not stable. U guys all assume everything is on a level playing field. These guys have a long history of supporting terrorism, commiting acts against us and our allies. I don't really care why they hate us, I have a good grasp of history. The point is that they do, which means they hate u to Bserker, and they would rather see us go. I don't advocate an invasion because it would cost the lives of more Americans and our allies. I am all for supporting groups like u mentioned...better proxies then our own troops. SOF fought for 10 years in Central and South America.....worked out fine. I don't recall any ridiculous parades or protests calling for death to Iran..in fact I don't think I've ever heard Bush say "Death to iran". Regime change sure...but not Death to Iran. Most countries are their to provide a vibrant economy and want peace for their people. Some don't, like Iran and need to go. Treaties, scraps of paper are worthless with people like this. History has shown us that time and time again that we;ll come out on the short end of the stick. Topple them from within or persued the mullahs to get rid of Amedinijad, whatever,......put ina moderate who says a few nice things about Israel and we'll forget the whole thing. Pull the plug on nuke power or come up with a better solution to ensure they can't make bombs.
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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2008, 05:20:11 AM »
for BB and HH6:

"When U.S. explosives experts went to investigate, they discovered they were not Iranian after all."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/05/iraq-the-elusiv.html

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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2008, 06:10:40 AM »
I'm a little torn on this.  If we are going to stay the course in Iraq, we cannot sit back and do nothing if Iran is supplying insurgents.  Also very concerned about them obtaining nuclear weapons.  Tough issue. 

yanno how you get em to stop killing us IN THEIR PART OF THE WORLD...


LEAVE THEIR part of the world
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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2008, 06:19:04 AM »
yanno how you get em to stop killing us IN THEIR PART OF THE WORLD...


LEAVE THEIR part of the world
LOL... no logic please, this is a political forum :D

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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2008, 06:23:24 AM »
LOL... no logic please, this is a political forum :D

i know...repbs are allergic to logic...they wanna spread jesusism all over the world..thru violence (war)

which incidentally is EXACTLY what al-queda wants to do except with islam
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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2008, 09:25:49 AM »
We shouldn't do anything to start WWIII, but I'm not sure a smoking gun is really necessary.[...]

That's fucking bullshit. What you guys want is another world war. Fucking come out and say it. We're not 5 years old.

Face it, some of yous are incapable of sharing the earth with other beings. In my opinion the suspicion factor you people so quickly elude to when talking about "national security" or the "security" of our soldiers is the biggest reason for the mass scale murder rampage our military has taken part of, actively or passively, in the past few years.

People around the globe hate our guts precisely because, to some of us (although I exclude myself,) their lives are just a Tomahack away from "us" "suspecting" they want to harm us. Which morally translates into a "we attack you whenever my sorry, retarded, imbecile, devoid of self-esteem ass wants to".

That is why other people fly planes into our buildings.

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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2008, 09:30:29 AM »
If EVEN HALF of the money we spend in building WMD were spent in helping victims of earthquakes, sunamis and else, the American soldier'd be gettin pussy all over the globe.

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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2008, 09:34:34 AM »
That's fucking bullshit. What you guys want is another world war. Fucking come out and say it. We're not 5 years old.

Face it, some of yous are incapable of sharing the earth with other beings. In my opinion the suspicion factor you people so quickly elude to when talking about "national security" or the "security" of our soldiers is the biggest reason for the mass scale murder rampage our military has taken part of, actively or passively, in the past few years.

People around the globe hate our guts precisely because, to some of us (although I exclude myself,) their lives are just a Tomahack away from "us" "suspecting" they want to harm us. Which morally translates into a "we attack you whenever my sorry, retarded, imbecile, devoid of self-esteem ass wants to".

That is why other people fly planes into our buildings.


COMPLETELY AGREE!
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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2008, 09:44:00 AM »
Fair...who cares about fair, i'm an American.

spoken like a true bushie
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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2008, 09:57:38 AM »
That's fucking bullshit. What you guys want is another world war. Fucking come out and say it. We're not 5 years old.

Face it, some of yous are incapable of sharing the earth with other beings. In my opinion the suspicion factor you people so quickly elude to when talking about "national security" or the "security" of our soldiers is the biggest reason for the mass scale murder rampage our military has taken part of, actively or passively, in the past few years.

People around the globe hate our guts precisely because, to some of us (although I exclude myself,) their lives are just a Tomahack away from "us" "suspecting" they want to harm us. Which morally translates into a "we attack you whenever my sorry, retarded, imbecile, devoid of self-esteem ass wants to".

That is why other people fly planes into our buildings.


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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2008, 10:06:01 AM »
Some people havent learnt shit from the whole Iraq mess, they have a back up excuse for any reason to go into a bogged down war with yet another country. Unbelievable.

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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2008, 10:08:27 AM »
Some people havent learnt shit from the whole Iraq mess

some people are shocked at how stupid the arghans and iraqis are when they get brain washed by al-queda while not realizing they themselves are also brainwashed in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY by the neocons
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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2008, 10:33:31 AM »
some people are shocked at how stupid the arghans and iraqis are when they get brain washed by al-queda while not realizing they themselves are also brainwashed in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY by the neocons

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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2008, 10:58:40 AM »
Hello???  Are we on the same page, I guess not....  Where did I list uninformed liberal sites?  The IAEA is not a liberal blog ::)

I truest the IAEA only when they agree with the USA.  I can't trust Euro's to safeguard my country, sorry!
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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2008, 11:08:02 AM »
Liberals too :)

everyone is a preceptual windown to the world...

the liberal preception however is the least skewed...
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Re: Here comes the media push for war in Iran...
« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2008, 11:22:12 AM »
everyone is a preceptual windown to the world...

the liberal preception however is the least skewed...

According to you.  Nothing more skewed than believing in Global Warming being caused by man in lieu of the ever present Water Vapor or believing terrorists can be talked into changing their minds, or bitching about gas prices and Saudi Arabia while campaigning to ensure no new refineries are built or oil drilling happens off the coast. 
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