My First (Bulking) Cycle Test E/ Turanabol..Suggestions?

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

Whats up fellas? I am new to this particular board...but not to the game. I am 22 y/o..been lifting consistently for 6 years now. I have made the decision to enter the dark side. I am 5'11 215 lbs. w/ around ~17-20% bodyfat. I consume roughly 4500 calories and keep my diet clean consisting of 6 meals a day. I have been plateauing over the last 6 months in my "core" lifts of Bench/Deadlift/Power Cleans/Squats. I plan to go on a cut from now until the middle of May decreasing my calorie intake substantially where I project I will be 195 lbs. 10-12% BF. I will be doing cardio 2x/day along with my strenuous workout routine. OK onto the good stuff. This summer I will attempt the following cycle

Week 1-12: Test Cyp 250mg 2x/week = 500 mg of Test...(Injections every 1st and 4th Day)

Week 1-4: Turanabol 40-50mg/day...(although, I've read that pyramiding the dosage may be effective aswell)

Week 14-15: Nolvadex 40 mg/day

Week 16-20: Nolvadex 20 mg/day

That's pretty much it...I am substituting the Dbol for the Tbol b/c it holds less water than the Dbol. Any input is appreciated. Lift Hard Bro's.

[candidate2025]

i have heard that the fatter you are, the more succeptable to getting gyno you are while on cycle...   and 20%, by bodybuilding standards, is pretty damn fat.    so you might want to consider cutting up before you start the cycle.       4thad just posted a good link in the "crash" thread about a pre-cycle keto diet to "prime" you for the cycle...to get better gains during the cycle and to help avoid sides... you might look into that.

[4thAD]

i have heard that the fatter you are, the more succeptable to getting gyno you are while on cycle...   and 20%, by bodybuilding standards, is pretty damn fat.    so you might want to consider cutting up before you start the cycle.       4thad just posted a good link in the "crash" thread about a pre-cycle keto diet to "prime" you for the cycle...to get better gains during the cycle and to help avoid sides... you might look into that.

Candi is correct here. The higher the BF% the more aromatization that can take place.

Whats up fellas? I am new to this particular board...but not to the game. I am 22 y/o..been lifting consistently for 6 years now. I have made the decision to enter the dark side. I am 5'11 215 lbs. w/ around ~17-20% bodyfat. I consume roughly 4500 calories and keep my diet clean consisting of 6 meals a day. I have been plateauing over the last 6 months in my "core" lifts of Bench/Deadlift/Power Cleans/Squats. I plan to go on a cut from now until the middle of May decreasing my calorie intake substantially where I project I will be 195 lbs. 10-12% BF. I will be doing cardio 2x/day along with my strenuous workout routine. OK onto the good stuff. This summer I will attempt the following cycle

Week 1-12: Test Cyp 250mg 2x/week = 500 mg of Test...(Injections every 1st and 4th Day)

Week 1-4: Turanabol 40-50mg/day...(although, I've read that pyramiding the dosage may be effective aswell)

Week 14-15: Nolvadex 40 mg/day

Week 16-20: Nolvadex 20 mg/day

That's pretty much it...I am substituting the Dbol for the Tbol b/c it holds less water than the Dbol. Any input is appreciated. Lift Hard Bro's.

Tbol dose may be a little higher than needed for first cycle. You can run the nolva straight through at 20mg ed no need to taper down. You only need to ru your PCT for four weeks on a cycle like this. Have you done any research on HCG? Testicular atrophy starts from the first injection of test, so keep that in mind. I have posted an HCG protocol on the board, yhat myself and others like to use while on cycle. There is also another HCG/PCT protocol posted in the stickies. Good luck brotha, get the BF% down, and most of all welcome to the board.

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

Candi is correct here. The higher the BF% the more aromatization that can take place.

Thanks for the input guys. I do have a few extra pounds and won't even consider AAS with my kind of body type. I started my cut about a month ago and lost 15 pounds already. Right now I'm at 215. I am really in no rush (I may even cut for 6 months If I feel it necessary). My goal was to get down to 200 but I think I will have to lose more weight/bf...perhaps 180-190 lbs?

Have you done any research on HCG?

No, I havent really looked into that. do you happen to have the link handy?

[candidate2025]

Thanks for the input guys. I do have a few extra pounds and won't even consider AAS with my kind of body type. I started my cut about a month ago and lost 15 pounds already. Right now I'm at 215. I am really in no rush (I may even cut for 6 months If I feel it necessary). My goal was to get down to 200 but I think I will have to lose more weight/bf...perhaps 180-190 lbs?

No, I havent really looked into that. do you happen to have the link handy?

hae you ever been lean before? if not, you should get down to a bf% where you can see your abs..and stay awhile at that bf%...let your body re-adjust to being lean...then start your cycle... that way you wont get that "rebound" fat gain..

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

Good Advice. No, I've never really been lean in my life ...Think I might wait another year before I enter the dark side

[candidate2025]

Good Advice. No, I've never really been lean in my life ...Think I might wait another year before I enter the dark side

youll have plenty of fun and satisfaction out of just being lean. trust me bro. i was a fat kid all my life. decided i was tired of being overweight...dieted and added in cardio...the weight will come off QUICK at first. it will be exciting.       and the leaner you get...the more youll realize just how fat you were(are)..   


dont get caught up worrying about bf% for the rest of your life though dude. i wasted alot of time underfeeding and overtraining because i was scared of gaining back the fat i had lost. big mistake! once you get lean...take a little while to maintain that weight...eat at maintanence calories, then jump right into a bulk. youll blow up 4sure..   your body will be itching to grow. and if your training and eating clean... youll grow alot of muscle.

[delta9mda]

the guy is bulking so he should go ahead and hit it hard and watch the diet and do cardio.

[ngm21084]

Whats up fellas? I am new to this particular board...but not to the game. I am 22 y/o..been lifting consistently for 6 years now. I have made the decision to enter the dark side. I am 5'11 215 lbs. w/ around ~17-20% bodyfat. I consume roughly 4500 calories and keep my diet clean consisting of 6 meals a day. I have been plateauing over the last 6 months in my "core" lifts of Bench/Deadlift/Power Cleans/Squats. I plan to go on a cut from now until the middle of May decreasing my calorie intake substantially where I project I will be 195 lbs. 10-12% BF. I will be doing cardio 2x/day along with my strenuous workout routine. OK onto the good stuff. This summer I will attempt the following cycle

Week 1-12: Test Cyp 250mg 2x/week = 500 mg of Test...(Injections every 1st and 4th Day)

Week 1-4: Turanabol 40-50mg/day...(although, I've read that pyramiding the dosage may be effective aswell)

Week 14-15: Nolvadex 40 mg/day

Week 16-20: Nolvadex 20 mg/day

That's pretty much it...I am substituting the Dbol for the Tbol b/c it holds less water than the Dbol. Any input is appreciated. Lift Hard Bro's.

hey man just wondering why at a young age of 22 you want to jump into AAS?  the cycle looks good but like everyone else says youd be better off burning off some of that fat first...im actually in a similar boat i am plannig to cross into the dark side prob by the end of this year but ive got a good 12-14 pounds of extra bulk that i dont need...i mean i have visible abs but i would like to get down to around 200 and then hit up a cycle very much like this...good choice on the t-bol i have read and heard alot of good things about it although i dont think you need to taper it....good luck bro

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

Ok, I've been on a cut for a good 2 months now. I am really dropping the fat. I look leaner, but I'm not at the point to start AAS just yet. I may cut down to 185-190, and hopefully get there in 4-5 months. I'm still researching, finding legit sources, and planning out my cycle. Cant seem to get my hands on some Tbol, So I guess Ill just go with Dbol. Also upping the test to 600 mg/week

Week 1-12: Test Enth 300mg 2x/week = 600 mg of Test...(Injections every 1st and 4th Day)

Week 1-16 HCG 250 iu every 4-5 days

Week 1-4: DBol 30 mg/day

Week 14-15: Nolvadex 40 mg/day

Week 16-20: Nolvadex 20 mg/day

Does this look alrite? Do I run the HCG straight through?

[Rimbaud]

Week 1-12: Test Enth 300mg 2x/week = 600 mg of Test...(Injections every 1st and 4th Day)

Week 1-16 HCG 250 iu every 4-5 days

Week 1-4: DBol 30 mg/day

Week 14-15: Nolvadex 40 mg/day

Week 16-20: Nolvadex 20 mg/day

Does this look alrite? Do I run the HCG straight through?

If this is your first time I wouldn't even bother with HCG. I never saw a need for it during or PCT. I would just do the following cycle:

Weeks 1-12 Test E 600mg EW
Weeks 1-6 Dbol 30mg ED
Weeks 14-17 Nolva 40-20mg ED (you should only need four weeks of PCT)

If you were planning on running HCG do it during PCT (there's a ton of threads with the various ways of using it with PCT).

[4thAD]

Ok, I've been on a cut for a good 2 months now. I am really dropping the fat. I look leaner, but I'm not at the point to start AAS just yet. I may cut down to 185-190, and hopefully get there in 4-5 months. I'm still researching, finding legit sources, and planning out my cycle. Cant seem to get my hands on some Tbol, So I guess Ill just go with Dbol. Also upping the test to 600 mg/week

Week 1-12: Test Enth 300mg 2x/week = 600 mg of Test...(Injections every 1st and 4th Day)

Week 1-16 HCG 250 iu every 4-5 days

Week 1-4: DBol 30 mg/day

Week 14-15: Nolvadex 40 mg/day

Week 16-20: Nolvadex 20 mg/day

Does this look alrite? Do I run the HCG straight through?

Stop the HCG 4 days prior to PCT, so that its out of your system going in. Shut down begins from the first injection of test. IMO HCG should be run with every cycle, to keep you full and in working order. Going into PCT with everything working properly, will optimize recovery. You can probably get away with 250iu ed, but it needs to be shot 2x ew, or e3d. At that light dose of HCG I would go with the e3d. I have posts on the board about running HCG while on cycle, with studies to back up the protocol. The HCG protocol was put together by another guy on another board, with very conservative doses. The studies also show these doses to be optimal. 500iu e3d or 2xew will work safely and effectively.

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

Thx for the reply 4thAD, I'm going to run HCG, just to be on the safe side. Ive read you inject it w/ an insulin needle? In the stomach? Also, do you think with this cycle I will need an AI of some sort?

[Rimbaud]

Thx for the reply 4thAD, I'm going to run HCG, just to be on the safe side. Ive read you inject it w/ an insulin needle? In the stomach? Also, do you think with this cycle I will need an AI of some sort?

Maybe maybe not. It all depends on how you respond. Keeping a little adex around wouldn't hurt.

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

Does anybody have any experience with A-n-T?

[Rimbaud]

Does anybody have any experience with A-n-T?

Huh?

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

PM sent 

[Rimbaud]

PM sent 

Got it. Sorry I wasn't much help.

[4thAD]

Thx for the reply 4thAD, I'm going to run HCG, just to be on the safe side. Ive read you inject it w/ an insulin needle? In the stomach? Also, do you think with this cycle I will need an AI of some sort?

hey bro definitely keep some adex or letro on hand. You could get gyno from the HCG even if your not very sensitive to test. Rimmy is correct. Good idea to have it on hand just in case.

Just pinch a little fold of skin to the right or left of your bell button and shoot sub-q with a slin pin. You can also shoot IM if you would like.

[Slintowin4424]

hey bro definitely keep some adex or letro on hand. You could get gyno from the HCG even if your not very sensitive to test. Rimmy is correct. Good idea to have it on hand just in case.

Just pinch a little fold of skin to the right or left of your bell button and shoot sub-q with a slin pin. You can also shoot IM if you would like.

I have never done sub q is it better any specific way?

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

Down from 230 in Jan. to 200 today ....Feel alot better, getting vascular, see the outline of my abs ...about 15-20 more lbs. and I should be good to go. I've decided not to use HCG this time around, BUT I may have some on hand if need be. Read good things about the T-Bol, and will use this to compliment the test. Will run ECA stack from now until I get down to desired weight. Thx for the help fellas

[4thAD]

Down from 230 in Jan. to 200 today ....Feel alot better, getting vascular, see the outline of my abs ...about 15-20 more lbs. and I should be good to go. I've decided not to use HCG this time around, BUT I may have some on hand if need be. Read good things about the T-Bol, and will use this to compliment the test. Will run ECA stack from now until I get down to desired weight. Thx for the help fellas

If you can see your abs get started. Your lean enough for a bulker!