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Re: Organic Foods
« Reply #100 on: August 24, 2008, 02:29:06 AM »
What is the general concensus on organic foods here? Do you like them? Think they are overpriced?

Do you buy into the whole concept that the organic industries try to promote?

What say y'all?

  Ok, so why do you eat vegetables? Answer: because you want the fiber, beneficial phytochemicals and vitamins/minerals they contain. In other words, you eat vegetables because they make you healthy. So what is the point of eating something for health if it contains toxins designed to kill bugs that are even worse for your health than refined sugar, flour and artificial preservatives? You are basically shooting yourself in the foot and actually worsening your health by eating vegetables treated with pesticides. You will be healthier eating cheeseburgers and pizza than regular vegetables, I assure you. If you can't afford organic vegetables, then don't eat vegetables at all because it will only jeopardize your health rather than enhance it.

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Re: Organic Foods
« Reply #101 on: August 24, 2008, 02:59:24 AM »
Read it if you like.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T0P-4G24XJ5-3&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=6cf512aaf1bdafc7d332c8a7d700cbb1

Taste, olfactory, and food texture processing in the brain, and the control of food intake

Edmund T. RollsCorresponding Author Contact Information, E-mail The Corresponding Author, E-mail The Corresponding Author
University of Oxford, Department of Experimental Psychology, South Parks Road, Oxford OX1 3UD, England, UK

Available online 28 April 2005.

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Abstract

Complementary neurophysiological recordings in macaques and functional neuroimaging in humans show that the primary taste cortex in the rostral insula and adjoining frontal operculum provides separate and combined representations of the taste, temperature, and texture (including viscosity and fat texture) of food in the mouth independently of hunger and thus of reward value and pleasantness. One synapse on, in the orbitofrontal cortex, these sensory inputs are for some neurons combined by learning with olfactory and visual inputs. Different neurons respond to different combinations, providing a rich representation of the sensory properties of food. In the orbitofrontal cortex, feeding to satiety with one food decreases the responses of these neurons to that food, but not to other foods, showing that sensory-specific satiety is computed in the primate (including human) orbitofrontal cortex. Consistently, activation of parts of the human orbitofrontal cortex correlates with subjective ratings of the pleasantness of the taste and smell of food. Cognitive factors, such as a word label presented with an odour, influence the pleasantness of the odour, and the activation produced by the odour in the orbitofrontal cortex. These findings provide a basis for understanding how what is in the mouth is represented by independent information channels in the brain; how the information from these channels is combined; and how and where the reward and subjective affective value of food is represented and is influenced by satiety signals. Activation of these representations in the orbitofrontal cortex may provide the goal for eating, and understanding them helps to provide a basis for understanding appetite and its disorders.

Keywords: Sensory-specific satiety; Fat; Food texture; Taste; Olfaction; Temperature
Article Outline

1. Introduction

1.1. Taste processing in the primate brain

1.1.1. Pathways
1.1.2. The secondary taste cortex
1.1.3. Five prototypical tastes, including umami
1.1.4. The pleasantness of the taste of food
1.1.5. Sensory-specific satiety

1.2. The representation of flavour: convergence of olfactory and taste inputs
1.3. The rules underlying the formation of olfactory representations in the primate cortex
1.4. The representation of the pleasantness of odour in the brain: olfactory and visual sensory-specific satiety, their representation in the primate orbitofrontal cortex, and the role of sensory-specific satiety in appetite
1.5. The responses of orbitofrontal cortex taste and olfactory neurons to the sight, texture, and temperature of food
1.6. The mouth feel of fat
1.7. Imaging studies in humans

1.7.1. Taste
1.7.2. Odour
1.7.3. Olfactory–taste convergence to represent flavour
1.7.4. Oral viscosity and fat texture

1.8. Cognitive effects on representations of food
1.9. Emotion

2. Conclusions
Acknowledgements
References



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Fig. 1. Schematic diagram of the taste and olfactory pathways in primates showing how they converge with each other and with visual pathways. The gate functions shown refer to the finding that the responses of taste neurons in the orbitofrontal cortex and the lateral hypothalamus are modulated by hunger. VPMpc—ventralposteromedial thalamic nucleus; V1, V2, V4—visual cortical areas.

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   Sorry for the long pause, I went to bed and my best friend got married yesterday so I was out all day and night.  I think you would find that if you, instead of just reading the abstract, read the whole article(assuming you subsrcibed to this journal) that the only sentence that might be misunderstood to disagree with my standpoint-In the orbitofrontal cortex, feeding to satiety with one food decreases the responses of these neurons to that food, but not to other foods, showing that sensory-specific satiety is computed in the primate (including human) orbitofrontal cortex-actually doesn't have anything to do with my standpoint because it is based in the time frame of one meal-eating to satiety afterall.  Of course, one's taste for certain foods decreases in the time frame of one meal, but over time, as one consistantly eats the same foods-one's taste for those foods increases and one develops greater sensitivity to the subtleties of that food.  This is exactly what happens with wine connoiseurs and the abstract says as much-that sense is specific to stimulus.

  I'll read your other posts later and respond to them.

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Re: Organic Foods
« Reply #102 on: August 24, 2008, 03:26:01 AM »
Organic foods

Are foods labeled "organic" more effective in lowering cancer risk?

The term organic is popularly used to designate plant foods grown without pesticides and genetic modifications. At this time, no research exists to demonstrate whether such foods are more effective in reducing cancer risk than are similar foods produced by other farming methods.
Pesticides and herbicides

Do pesticides in foods cause cancer?

Pesticides and herbicides can be toxic when used improperly in industrial, agricultural, or other occupational settings. Although vegetables and fruits sometimes contain low levels of these chemicals, overwhelming scientific evidence supports the overall health benefits and cancer-protective effects of eating vegetables and fruits. At present there is no evidence that residues of pesticides and herbicides at the low doses found in foods increase the risk of cancer, but fruits and vegetables should be washed thoroughly before eating.

Physical activity [/b]
Will increasing physical activity lower cancer risk?

Yes. People who engage in moderate to vigorous levels of physical activity are at a lower risk of developing colon and breast cancer than those who do not. Risk is lowered whether or not the activity affects the person's weight. Data for a direct effect on the risk of developing other cancers is more limited. Even so, obesity and being overweight have been linked to many types of cancer, and physical activity is a key factor in reaching or staying at a healthy body weight. In addition, physical activity has helpful effects against heart disease and diabetes.

Phytochemicals

What are phytochemicals, and do they reduce cancer risk?

The term phytochemicals refers to a wide variety of compounds made by plants. Some of these compounds protect plants against insects or perform other important functions. Some have either antioxidant or hormone-like actions both in plants and in the people who eat them. Because consuming vegetables and fruits reduces cancer risk, researchers are looking for specific compounds responsible for the helpful effects. At this time, no evidence has shown that phytochemicals taken as supplements are as good for you as the vegetables, fruits, beans, and grains from which they are extracted.

Saccharin

Does saccharin cause cancer?

No. In rats, high doses of the artificial sweetener saccharin can cause bladder stones to form that can lead to bladder cancer. But saccharin does not cause bladder stones to form in humans. Saccharin has been removed from the list of established human carcinogens by the US National Toxicology Program.

Salt

Do high levels of salt in the diet increase cancer risk?

Studies in other countries link diets that contain large amounts of foods preserved by salting and pickling with an increased risk of stomach, nasopharyngeal, and throat cancer. No evidence suggests that moderate levels of salt used in cooking or in flavoring foods affect cancer risk.

Selenium

What is selenium, and can it reduce cancer risk?

Selenium is a mineral that contributes to the body's antioxidant defense mechanisms. Animal studies suggest that selenium protects against cancer. One study has shown that selenium supplements might reduce the risk of lung, colon, and prostate cancer in humans. But repeated and well-controlled studies are needed to confirm whether selenium is helpful in preventing these cancers. High-dose selenium supplements are not recommended, as there is only a narrow margin between safe and toxic doses. The maximum dose in a supplement should not exceed 200 micrograms (this is 2/10th of a milligram) per day.

Soy products

Can soy-based foods reduce cancer risk?

Soy-derived foods are an excellent source of protein and a good alternative to meat. Soy contains several phytochemicals, some of which have weak estrogen activity and appear to protect against hormone-dependent cancers in animal studies. At this time there is little data showing that soy supplements can help reduce cancer risk. High doses of soy could possibly increase the risk of estrogen-responsive cancers, such as breast or endometrial cancer.

Women with breast cancer should take in only moderate amounts of soy foods as part of a healthy, plant-based diet. They should not ingest very high levels of soy in their diet or take concentrated sources of soy such as soy-containing pills or powders, or supplements containing high amounts of isoflavones.

Sugar

Does sugar increase cancer risk?

Sugar increases calorie intake without providing any of the nutrients that reduce cancer risk. By promoting obesity and elevating insulin levels, high sugar intake may indirectly increase cancer risk. White (refined) sugar is no different from brown (unrefined) sugar or honey with regard to their effects on body weight or insulin. Limiting foods such as cakes, candy, cookies, sweetened cereals, and high-sugar beverages such as soda can help reduce sugar intake.

Supplements

Can nutritional supplements lower cancer risk?

There is strong evidence that a diet rich in fruits, vegetables, and other plant-based foods may reduce the risk of cancer. But there is no proof at this time that supplements can reduce cancer risk. Some high-dose supplements may actually increase cancer risk.

Can I get the nutritional effects of vegetables and fruits in a pill?

No. Many healthful compounds are found in vegetables and fruits, and these compounds most likely work in together to produce their helpful effects. There are also likely to be important compounds in whole foods that are not included in supplements, even though these compounds have not been identified. The small amount of dried powder in the pills that are sold as being equivalent to vegetables and fruits often contains only a small fraction of the levels contained in the whole foods.

Food is the best source of vitamins and minerals. Supplements, however, may be helpful for some people, such as pregnant women, women of childbearing age, and people whose dietary intakes are restricted by allergies, food intolerances, or other problems. If a supplement is taken, the best choice is a balanced multivitamin/mineral supplement containing no more than 100% of the "Daily Value" of most nutrients.

Tea

Can drinking tea reduce cancer risk?

Some researchers have suggested that tea might protect against cancer because of its antioxidant content. In animal studies, some teas (including green tea) have been shown to reduce cancer risk, but findings from human population studies are mixed. At this time, tea has not been proven to reduce cancer risk in humans.

Trans-saturated fats

Do trans-saturated fats increase cancer risk?

Trans-saturated fats are made when oils such as margarines or shortenings are hydrogenated to make them solid at room temperature. Recent evidence shows that trans-fats raise blood cholesterol levels. Their relationship to cancer risk has not been determined, but people are advised to eat as few trans-fats as possible.

Vegetables and fruits

Will eating vegetables and fruits lower cancer risk?

In most of the studies looking at large groups of people, eating more vegetables and fruits has been linked to a lower risk of lung, oral, esophageal, stomach, and colon cancer. Because we don't know which of the many compounds in these foods are most helpful, the best advice is to eat 5 or more servings of an assortment of colorful vegetables and fruits each day. (This means at least 5 servings of fruits and vegetables when added together, for instance, 4 servings of vegetables plus 1 serving of fruit.

What are cruciferous vegetables, and are they important in cancer prevention?

Cruciferous vegetables belong to the cabbage family and include broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, and kale. These vegetables contain certain compounds thought to reduce the risk for colorectal cancer. The best evidence suggests that eating a wide variety of vegetables, including cruciferous and other vegetables, reduces cancer risk.

Is there a difference in nutritional values among fresh, frozen, and canned vegetables and fruits?

Yes, but they can all be good choices. Fresh foods are usually thought to have the most nutritional value. But frozen foods can often be more nutritious than fresh foods because they are often picked ripe and quickly frozen (whereas fresh foods may lose some of their nutrients in the time between harvesting and eating). Canning is more likely to reduce the heat-sensitive and water-soluble nutrients because of the high heat that must be used. Be aware that some fruits are packed in heavy syrup, and some canned vegetables are high in sodium (salt). Choose vegetables and fruits in a variety of forms, and pay attention to the label information.

Does cooking affect the nutritional value of vegetables?

Boiling vegetables, especially for long periods, can leach out their content of water-soluble (B and C) vitamins. Microwaving and steaming are the best ways to preserve these nutrients in vegetables.

Should I be juicing my vegetables and fruits?

Juicing can add variety to the diet and can be a good way to consume vegetables and fruits, especially if chewing or swallowing is a problem. Juicing also helps the body absorb of some of the nutrients in vegetables and fruits. But juices may be less filling than whole vegetables and fruits and often contain less fiber. Fruit juice in particular can account for quite a few calories if large amounts are drunk. Commercially juiced products should be 100% vegetable or fruit juices. They should also be pasteurized to kill harmful germs.

Vegetarian diets

Do vegetarian diets reduce cancer risk?

Vegetarian diets include many healthful features. They tend to be low in saturated fats and high in fiber, vitamins, and phytochemicals. It is not possible to conclude at this time, however, that a vegetarian diet has any special benefits for the prevention of cancer. Diets including lean meats in small to moderate amounts can also be healthful. Strict vegetarian diets that avoid all animal products, including milk and eggs, should be supplemented with vitamin B12, zinc, and iron (especially for children and women after menopause).

Vitamin A

Does vitamin A lower cancer risk?

Vitamin A (retinol) is obtained from foods in 2 ways: it can be pre-formed from animal food sources (retinol) and made from beta-carotene in plant-based foods. Vitamin A is needed to maintain healthy tissues. Vitamin A supplements, whether in the form of beta-carotene or retinol, have not been shown to lower cancer risk, and high-dose supplements may, in fact, increase the risk for lung cancer in current and former smokers. And retinol can cause serious p roblems if too much is taken.

Vitamin C

Does vitamin C lower cancer risk?

Vitamin C is found in many vegetables and fruits, especially oranges, grapefruits, and peppers. Many studies have linked intake of foods rich in vitamin C to a reduced risk for cancer. But the few studies in which vitamin C has been given as a supplement have not shown a reduced risk for cancer.

Vitamin D

Does vitamin D lower cancer risk?

There is a growing body of evidence from studies that observie large groups of people (not yet tested in clinical trials) that vitamin D may have helpful effects on some types of cancer, including cancers of the colon, prostate, and breast. Vitamin D is obtained through skin exposure to ultraviolet (UV) radiation and through diet, particularly products fortified with vitamin D such as milk and cereals, and supplements. But many Americans do not get enough vitamin D.

The current national recommended levels of intake of vitamin D (200 to 600 IU per day) may not be enough to meet needs, especially among those with little sun exposure, the elderly, people with dark skin, and breastfed babies who only take in breast milk. More research is needed to define the best levels of intake and blood levels of vitamin D for cancer risk reduction, but recommended intake is likely to fall between 200 and 2,000 IU, depending on age and other factors. To reduce the health risks linked with UV radiation exposure while getting the most potential benefit from vitamin D, a balanced diet, supplementation, and limiting sun exposure to small amounts are the preferred methods of obtaining vitamin D.

Vitamin E

Does vitamin E lower cancer risk?

Alpha-tocopherol is the most active form of vitamin E and is a powerful antioxidant. In one study, male smokers who took alpha-tocopherol had a lower risk of prostate cancer compared with those who took a placebo. But several other studies have not found the same link. While studies now under way will help clarify this, the promise of alpha-tocopherol for reducing cancer risk appears to be dimming.

Water and other fluids

How much water and other fluids should I drink?


Drinking water and other liquids may reduce the risk of bladder cancer, as water dilutes the concentration of cancer-causing agents in the urine and shortens the time in which they are in contact with the bladder lining. Drinking at least 8 cups of liquid a day is usually recommended, and some studies show that even more may be helpful.

 


   I don't actually know why you posted this as it almost argues Slayer's point more than it does yours.  It says that eating the fruits and vegetables outweighs and possible negative effect of the pesticide-it doesn't say the the pesticide isn't negative.  It also says that at this point there isn't any evidence linking sustainable farming to lower cancer rates-but that's also essentially what Slayer said-in 50 yrs, there could be, and I'm assuming there will be, a mountain of evidence.  Wide scale sustainable farming just came out in the last 7 yrs or so, long term studies haven't even had time to have been made and long term studies on unsustainable farming don't have any control group because everyone is in the same group!(the unsustainable one)-meaning they have nothing to compare. 
   But truthfully, you are going around touting science and kind of mocking and making fun of people with that as your high and mighty standard and I don't even think you have explored the whole gambit.  Science is full of contradictions and researchers and doctors worldwide have drawn completely different conclusions on this very topic over and over again-that's why we have this topic.  The American Cancer Society is drawing conclusions based on the body of evidence they've been supplied with from their approved researchers-this doesn't mean that others haven't come up with anything better.  I am impressed though that they talked about the dangers of overcooking meats.

  All of this is still off topic though, we are discussing whether or not we can taste the difference between organic and not.  Several of us say we can, several say those people can't-and like I said, it's real presumptious to go around saying what other people can and can't do and, especially, sense.  We are back at square one. 

  I'm going to be out today, so don't sit around waiting for responses.