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the main reasons for the current state of the economy
« on: June 07, 2008, 09:11:40 AM »
sub-prime mortgage disaster which also resulted in lower values in some investments
high fuel prices



what else?

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Re: the main reasons for the current state of the economy
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2008, 09:33:40 AM »
The New Crusades, brought to you by King George and Dick Cheney.

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Re: the main reasons for the current state of the economy
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2008, 09:35:37 AM »
NAFTA
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Allowing China in the WTO

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Re: the main reasons for the current state of the economy
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2008, 10:11:00 AM »
sub-prime mortgage disaster which also resulted in lower values in some investments
high fuel prices



what else?

In my opinion and amongst many other things: the Federal Reserve, two or three badly-run administrations (Bush & Nixon-all republican filth) that basically opened up the doors for the Washigton corporate takeover.

Looking at the situation from a macro-economic perspective, I'd say that the baby-boomer generation has something to do with it. I mean, from the late 50s to late 90s the baby boomers were at their most productive, making money hand over fist, which inflated the dollar inventory and eventually lowered its value since the US was the ONE AND ONLY market for most of the world (which was now pretty much a wasteland from having fought 2 WWs). 90s come along, this generation has had a good 25-30 years of value-creation and earnings built into their retirement portfolios and the market decides to give them a nice bye-bye gift by overvalueing everything that has to do with the internet. Baby-boomers cash out, move their funds into fixed income stuff (hence moving a large chunk of the economy back from the private to the public sectors,) the bubble bursts and the other generations are left to get rid of the rubble.

A man called GW Bush makes it to the White House and the corporate takeover is complete: Oil companies get their wars and all rules and regulations of good business ethics are thrown out the window. The Great De-regulation process begins, which helps banks and mortgage companies, along with the FED providing enough economic lubrication by virtually giving away money, eager to lend their money at 25% to the stupidest of the stupidest, all along being cheerleaded by these people under the false pretenses that the economy was never going to go bad again and that the housing prices were never, never, ever going to go back down again. Huge amounts of money that left stock speculation are now in land speculation. The second bubble begins.

Bush decides to invade Iraq, pouring HUGE amounts of money from the country's arks to a foreign country. Since the main sponsors of the war were Big Oil, through Cheney of course, one of the first things they do is destroy riggs and oil drilling stations to purposely reduce the production of oil. The second lubricant in our economy (cheap oil, with cheap money being #1) is now in a bubble of its own and the price of pretty much EVERYTHING begins an irreversible trend.

Back to today. Many Americans are now caught in a financial crossfire. People do not have enough money to pay for their $ 4,000-dollar per month mortgage, their $600 lease on the BMW, their commutes, etc. And the FED keeps insisting inflation is only at 3-4%. If I'd were in such dire straits I'd be pretty much depressed out of my mind. And many Americans are, which now shows in the economy.

Cheers.

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Re: the main reasons for the current state of the economy
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2008, 10:15:23 AM »
sub-prime mortgage disaster which also resulted in lower values in some investments
high fuel prices



what else?

That's essentially it.  Fuel prices are really starting to punish people over here.  Haven't seen the travel numbers, but I've noticed a significant drop off the amount of travelers. 

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Re: the main reasons for the current state of the economy
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2008, 06:34:40 PM »
In my opinion and amongst many other things: the Federal Reserve, two or three badly-run administrations (Bush & Nixon-all republican filth) that basically opened up the doors for the Washigton corporate takeover.

Looking at the situation from a macro-economic perspective, I'd say that the baby-boomer generation has something to do with it. I mean, from the late 50s to late 90s the baby boomers were at their most productive, making money hand over fist, which inflated the dollar inventory and eventually lowered its value since the US was the ONE AND ONLY market for most of the world (which was now pretty much a wasteland from having fought 2 WWs). 90s come along, this generation has had a good 25-30 years of value-creation and earnings built into their retirement portfolios and the market decides to give them a nice bye-bye gift by overvalueing everything that has to do with the internet. Baby-boomers cash out, move their funds into fixed income stuff (hence moving a large chunk of the economy back from the private to the public sectors,) the bubble bursts and the other generations are left to get rid of the rubble.

A man called GW Bush makes it to the White House and the corporate takeover is complete: Oil companies get their wars and all rules and regulations of good business ethics are thrown out the window. The Great De-regulation process begins, which helps banks and mortgage companies, along with the FED providing enough economic lubrication by virtually giving away money, eager to lend their money at 25% to the stupidest of the stupidest, all along being cheerleaded by these people under the false pretenses that the economy was never going to go bad again and that the housing prices were never, never, ever going to go back down again. Huge amounts of money that left stock speculation are now in land speculation. The second bubble begins.

Bush decides to invade Iraq, pouring HUGE amounts of money from the country's arks to a foreign country. Since the main sponsors of the war were Big Oil, through Cheney of course, one of the first things they do is destroy riggs and oil drilling stations to purposely reduce the production of oil. The second lubricant in our economy (cheap oil, with cheap money being #1) is now in a bubble of its own and the price of pretty much EVERYTHING begins an irreversible trend.

Back to today. Many Americans are now caught in a financial crossfire. People do not have enough money to pay for their $ 4,000-dollar per month mortgage, their $600 lease on the BMW, their commutes, etc. And the FED keeps insisting inflation is only at 3-4%. If I'd were in such dire straits I'd be pretty much depressed out of my mind. And many Americans are, which now shows in the economy.

Cheers.





Damn. That nailed it to the wall.  Good post. 8)

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Re: the main reasons for the current state of the economy
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2008, 01:32:14 PM »
NAFTA
GAT
Allowing China in the WTO

These have not really had an impact yet... China ia not yet in the WTO,
but watch out when she does become a member. It's gonna hurt so bad it won't be funny (for those unprepared).

Up until now, the US has been the major consumer of most of the world's goods including oil.
Now, the US is seeing major competition from such emerging economies like India & China (which btw are booming) The current oil supply cannot meet the demand, regardless of how much oil is out there. We cannot process, refine & distribute sufficient quantities. ...and this does not even include the demand yet to come onto the system, once 900,000,000 rural Chinese peasant farmers get a taste for oil and other petroleum based products, as they come into the 21st century.

If you drove a rickshaw, ...and got a taste of a pickup truck, do you think you'd keep the rickshaw?
Even the Chinese government is scared. They have no idea what they're going to do. Right now, the best they can do is to keep them in poverty & ignorance as long as possible, ...but that won't last for long.

900,000,000  (NINE HUNDRED MILLION) Chinese will be hitting the system all at once, ...and I haven't even mentioned India with the world's fastest growing middle class. India's middle class alone surpasses the entire population of the USA. Wait til some of their 300,000,000 in poverty start becoming upwardly mobile too.

Good Times ahead for all....  :-X
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Re: the main reasons for the current state of the economy
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2008, 01:34:09 PM »

It's going to be cool like the Fifth Element. I'll be able to buy chinese food directly from an old chinese dude in a flying junk. 

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Re: the main reasons for the current state of the economy
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2008, 03:10:47 PM »
The New Crusades, brought to you by King George and Dick Cheney.


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Re: the main reasons for the current state of the economy
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2008, 03:15:07 PM »
Stupid Americans misusing debt.

Stupid Americans voting in people out of fear.


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Re: the main reasons for the current state of the economy
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2008, 03:17:38 PM »
Stupid Americans misusing debt.

Stupid Americans voting in people out of fear.



To the point.........!!!  No more calls please! :-X