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Lakers Championship Tainted?
« on: June 10, 2008, 07:00:50 PM »
The Tim Donaghy scandal just got more serious.

The disgraced former NBA referee told authorities in a four-page letter released Tuesday that two officials conspired to fix the outcome of a 2002 playoff series and influenced several other post- and regular-season games.

The fix is in? Tim Donaghy did not mention which series in 2002 was fixed, but the Lakers-Kings Western Conference finals was the only series that fits his allegations.

Court documents filed by Donaghy's lawyer detailed the "inner-workings" of a plot in which top league executives used referees to manipulate the games. Donaghy claims two referees were "company men" whose job was to extend a playoff series in 2002 to a seventh game.

The documents did not name the series, but the Lakers-Kings Western Conference finals was the only series in 2002 that went to a seventh game, with the Lakers winning both Game 6 and 7 to reach the NBA Finals.

"Personal fouls (resulting in obviously injured players) were ignored even when they occurred in full view of the referees," the document says of the unnamed series. "Conversely, the referees called made-up fouls on Team 5 in order to give additional free throw opportunities to Team 6."

Two players from Team 5 fouled out in the game, the document said, and the "referees' favoring of Team 6 led to that team's victory that night." Team 6 also went on to win Game 7 of the series, according to the document.

NBA commissioner David Stern flatly denied the allegations Tuesday, dismissing Donaghy's allegations as a despearte attempt to ease his sentence.

"My reaction to Donaghy's lawyer is that clearly as the date of sentencing gets closer and the things he's thrown against the wall haven't stuck, he's rehashing a variety of things that have been given to the FBI, have been investigated and are baseless," Stern told reporters.

"He's a singing, cooperating witness trying to get as light a sentence as he can."


The Lakers trailed the Kings three games to two in 2002 when Los Angeles rallied to win each of the final two games and eventually went on win the NBA championship. Key Kings big men Vlade Divac and Scot Pollard both fouled out in Game 6.

Shaquille O'Neal scored 41 points and pulled down 17 rebounds against the Kings in Game 6, and drew most of the fouls that sent Divac and Pollard out of the game.

"Our big guys get 20 fouls tonight and Shaq gets four? You tell me how the game went," Kings coach Rick Adelman said after the game, according to SportsTicker. "It's just the way it is. Obviously, they got the game called the way they wanted to get it called."

"I knew before the game I'd be out of it," Divac added. "(O'Neal) went out (on fouls) up there (in Sacramento). It had to be the same down here."

Lakers coach Phil Jackson, speaking with reporters before Tuesday's Game 3 of the NBA Finals, stressed the need to wait for proof before any judgments are made, but was not shy to offer a low opinion of the officiating in the 2002 series.

"Was that after the fifth game, after we had the game stolen away from us on a bad call?" he said, referring to a game-changing play by Kings guard Mike Bibby in the final moments.

The letter doesn't name anyone involved. Donaghy's attorney and prosecutors have declined to comment. The league has denied the scandal goes beyond Donaghy and two co-defendants.

Though the document again does not name anyone specifically, Mark Cuban did complain to the league that year about the officiating after his Mavericks fell behind 2-0 in their series with Houston. Dallas went on to beat the Rockets in seven games.

Then-Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy claimed at the time that an official — who was not working the playoffs — informed him of the plan.

"I didn't think that really worked in the NBA, but in this case it has," Van Gundy told reporters after the fourth game of the series, according to USA Today. He was later fined $100,000, a record sum for a coach.

The document also described other alleged infractions, including league officials telling referees that they should withhold calling technical fouls on certain star players because doing so hurt ticket sales and television ratings."

Donaghy also said refs broke league rules by routinely fraternizing with players, coaches and team management and that the resulting inappropriate relationships may have influenced the outcomes of games. He claims one general manager in 2004 made a game-day phone call to referees to encourage them to call more personal fouls against an opponent.

Donaghy claims referees have accepted autographs, merchandise and meals from team representatives. He said one official used a team's facility to exercise and another played tennis with an NBA coach.

The veteran referee pleaded guilty last year to felony charges alleging he took cash payoffs from gamblers and bet on games. He faces up to 33 months in prison.

A statistical look at Game 6:
     Stat                                Lakers Kings
Halftime score                          51     56
Final score                              106   102
Free throws                          34-40 18-25
4th Qtr. FTs                         21-27   7-9
Fouled out                           None    Divac, Pollard
Fouls                                      24     31
Game 6 officials: Dick Bavetta, Ted Bernhardt, Bob Delaney


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Re: Lakers Championship Tainted?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2008, 08:04:54 PM »

Not tainted.  They were the best team that season.

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Re: Lakers Championship Tainted?
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2008, 09:31:20 PM »
Yep.  Not just that season. 

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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2008, 08:10:33 AM »
I think it's tainted until there is a full investigation. There is actual evidence after these games of possible foul play. If the investigation finds nothing, no taint.

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Re: Lakers Championship Tainted?
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2008, 03:45:02 PM »
Not tainted.  They were the best team that season.
It doesnt matter who was the best team during the season, the Pats were the best team last year but that doesnt mean they are the champs
if it is found that the nba wanted to force a game 7, then yes hugely tainted. remember at the time the ratings in general for the nba were down. i remeber that game.

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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2008, 04:57:51 PM »

And what happened in Game 7? 

http://www.nba.com/games/20020602/LALSAC/boxscore.html

The Lakers went 27-for-33 at the FT line, including 11-for-15 for Shaq.

The Kings went 16-for-30. 

The Kings lost 112-106 in OT. 

If they'd hit their FTs, the Kings would've won the game. 

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In a 7-game series, when review of a game tape reveals significant imbalance in the officiating, I have no problem with the next game being used as a 'make up'.  I don't want it happening all series long, of course. 

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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2008, 04:58:42 PM »
I think it's tainted until there is a full investigation. There is actual evidence after these games of possible foul play. If the investigation finds nothing, no taint.

Sorry, but all the tapes have been destroyed. 

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Re: Lakers Championship Tainted?
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2008, 06:26:26 PM »
Sorry, but all the tapes have been destroyed. 

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Haha, I'm just saying, a cloud will loom over this situation until it is resolved. I don't think it's a huge deal, and if there was foul play, it's not like it started with the Lakers. If theres one thing I learned from spygate, it's to get off your high horse, because everyone has skeletons in the closet.

Who knows, this guy might be telling the truth, doubt much will come of it though.


The only way to clean up pro sports, is to investigate every team, and get everything out in the open. I don't even think there should be penalties levied, just get it all out there.

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Re: Lakers Championship Tainted?
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2008, 07:45:49 PM »
And what happened in Game 7? 

http://www.nba.com/games/20020602/LALSAC/boxscore.html

The Lakers went 27-for-33 at the FT line, including 11-for-15 for Shaq.

The Kings went 16-for-30. 

The Kings lost 112-106 in OT. 

If they'd hit their FTs, the Kings would've won the game. 

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In a 7-game series, when review of a game tape reveals significant imbalance in the officiating, I have no problem with the next game being used as a 'make up'.  I don't want it happening all series long, of course. 
you missed the point, the nba shouldnt decide how long a series should go that should be decided by the players. regardless if the kings missed ft and the lakes made them in game 7, the fact that a game 7 was forced. of course this is all speculative.

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Re: Lakers Championship Tainted?
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2008, 09:19:22 PM »
The only way to clean up pro sports, is to investigate every team, and get everything out in the open. I don't even think there should be penalties levied, just get it all out there.

That would kill the sports. Just start enforcing everything now and let the past be the past.

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2008, 12:02:22 PM »
That would kill the sports. Just start enforcing everything now and let the past be the past.

It's the only fair way to do it. It's not fair to blast one team, and ignore the bullshit everyone else is pulling.

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Re: Lakers Championship Tainted?
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2008, 12:24:28 PM »
It's the only fair way to do it. It's not fair to blast one team, and ignore the bullshit everyone else is pulling.
would you be referring to any team in particular there Bod? ;)

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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2008, 11:35:22 PM »
would you be referring to any team in particular there Bod? ;)

Yes, after the whole spygate thing, I would advocate that all teams are investigated, if people want to go on a moral crusade. If you want to go after a team, then you should look at the whole picture, because we all know drugs and shady techniques, are a part of sports. I know its great to cut down a team you hate - ( Pats, Lakers, Yankees etc), but to think one team is the only team doing anything these days, is foolish. Lakers, Pats Yankess, whatever. Get it all out in the open, it's the only way.


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Re: Lakers Championship Tainted?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2008, 10:35:02 PM »
Yes, after the whole spygate thing, I would advocate that all teams are investigated, if people want to go on a moral crusade. If you want to go after a team, then you should look at the whole picture, because we all know drugs and shady techniques, are a part of sports. I know its great to cut down a team you hate - ( Pats, Lakers, Yankees etc), but to think one team is the only team doing anything these days, is foolish. Lakers, Pats Yankess, whatever. Get it all out in the open, it's the only way.

I would rather believe that one team got a marginal advantage by stealing signals than to think that the league is cheating for certain teams.

Especially if you are a small market fan. You would feel like you have absolutely no chance at winning.

And most real fans know that the Patriots aren't the only team in the league that did this. To think otherwise is being pretty naive.