Help with cycle planning.

[Meso_z]

So, starting from September, i want to plan my cycle about 28 weeks...

weeks

1  dbol/deca/test
2  dbol/deca/test
3  same
4  same
5  same
6  same
7  STOP dbol only deca/test
.  same
.  same
.  same
14  same
-----------------------------
15  "cruise" with 250mg test
16  same
17  same
18  same
----------------------------- -> here i will start my cutting cycle (for contest, about 14 weeks out)
19  test 
20  test
.  test
.  test
.  test
24  test
25  swith to prop, add tren ace, winstrol tabs
.  same
.  same
.  same
.  same
.  same
.  same
32  same


From weeks 19 to 24 what should i add there in order not to have the test alone....some deca? eq?

[Meso_z]

bump....

[Arnold jr]

From weeks 19 to 24 what should i add there in order not to have the test alone....some deca? eq?

You could start the tren around wk 21. You could also add in EQ if you wanted to at wk 19.

I'd throw in some letro for that last 14wks as well...no doubt, since it is a contest cycle.

[Meso_z]

You could start the tren around wk 21. You could also add in EQ if you wanted to at wk 19.

I'd throw in some letro for that last 14wks as well...no doubt, since it is a contest cycle.

Wouldn't it be too much to run tren 12 weeks?

As for the letro how much do you reccomend? in my previous cycle i did 1,25mg eod for 4 weeks and the other 4 weeks i did it ed total 8 weeks.....but i have heard its bad for your lipids and stuff like that...

Generally how does it looks to you as a cycle? the whole plan.

thanks arnold. 

[Arnold jr]

Wouldn't it be too much to run tren 12 weeks?

12wks is usually the max I'll run it. I've run it 12wks straight a few times and never had a problem...the dosage changed though as the wks progressed. Started at 50mg/eod but ended up at 100mg/ed towards the back half.

As for the letro how much do you reccomend? in my previous cycle i did 1,25mg eod for 4 weeks and the other 4 weeks i did it ed total 8 weeks.....but i have heard its bad for your lipids and stuff like that...

1mg/eod is typically enough. If gyno flairs bump it up to every day. Either way, the last wk before the show, I'd run it every day.

Generally how does it looks to you as a cycle? the whole plan.

thanks arnold. 

Drug wise and the weekly scheduling it looks fine. Of course, you didn't list the rest of the details so it's hard to give it a 100% thumbs up without those.

[Meso_z]

Drug wise and the weekly scheduling it looks fine. Of course, you didn't list the rest of the details so it's hard to give it a 100% thumbs up without those.

I think you mean dosages...

bulking will be: 500 test enanthate, 400 deca , and 30 dbol (i wont put too much dbol)

cruising: 250 test enanthate.

cutting phase: 500 test enanthate until switching to prop 100mg (maybe more?) eod. tren ace 100 mg eod and winstrol 50 mg everyday.

[Meso_z]

Another problem i had with winstrol was with my joints...especially my knees hurt when walking and generally felt weak, plus the dieting i did which maximized these sides.....

any recommendations about this?

[Van_Bilderass]

Another problem i had with winstrol was with my joints...especially my knees hurt when walking and generally felt weak, plus the dieting i did which maximized these sides.....

any recommendations about this?

If your body doesn't agree with it why not use it just for 2-4 weeks or so at the end? If you want to throw in an oral there are other choices - Anadrol for example. Then switch to Winstrol at the very end if you don't like the look Anadrol gives you. Anadrol keeps you strong and full, good for contest prep.

I don't think estrogen hinders fat loss either really. You could add letro last few weeks only to lose any water retention from excess estrogen.

JMO. Everyone has different opinions and experiences.

[Meso_z]

If your body doesn't agree with it why not use it just for 2-4 weeks or so at the end? If you want to throw in an oral there are other choices - Anadrol for example. Then switch to Winstrol at the very end if you don't like the look Anadrol gives you. Anadrol keeps you strong and full, good for contest prep.

I don't think estrogen hinders fat loss either really. You could add letro last few weeks only to lose any water retention from excess estrogen.

JMO. Everyone has different opinions and experiences.

I have never used anadrol in contest preparation, so im a bit thoughtful....im worried it might fuck up my shape. Yes, i have read that its a good prep drug but i dont know how i will react, maybe i'll throw it in somewhere. My diet will be spot on as always.

[Meso_z]

So, starting from September, i want to plan my cycle about 28 weeks...

weeks

1  dbol/deca/test
2  dbol/deca/test
3  same
4  same
5  same
6  same
7  STOP dbol only deca/test
.  same
.  same
.  same
14  same
-----------------------------
15  "cruise" with 250mg test
16  same
17  same
18  same
----------------------------- -> here i will start my cutting cycle (for contest, about 14 weeks out)
19  test 
20  test
.  test
.  test
.  test
24  test
25  swith to prop, add tren ace, winstrol tabs
.  same
.  same
.  same
.  same
.  same
.  same
32  same


From weeks 19 to 24 what should i add there in order not to have the test alone....some deca? eq?

bump....

IF after this contest, another contest is coming in 3 weeks what should i do following the 32th week? continue the same schedule?

[iron_dawg]

7 weeks on dbol?  My personal opinion is drop the dbol after 3weeks I only use orals for the first three weeks of a cycle then that is about the time i start seeing the other stuff kick in...i personally feel like shit on orals after about a week.

[Emmortal]

7 weeks on dbol?  My personal opinion is drop the dbol after 3weeks I only use orals for the first three weeks of a cycle then that is about the time i start seeing the other stuff kick in...i personally feel like shit on orals after about a week.

Gets some livercure or NAC, that will help with your shitty feeling which is most likely due to liver hepatoxicity.  I also have issues with heartburn on dbol but I take a Zantac at night to help clear that up, no problems with it during the day.

[iron_dawg]

Gets some livercure or NAC, that will help with your shitty feeling which is most likely due to liver hepatoxicity.  I also have issues with heartburn on dbol but I take a Zantac at night to help clear that up, no problems with it during the day.

yes heartburn is a issue with me also with dbol i always take with a meal but if i miss a meal or don't take in a whole meal i am popping tums like crazy i will look into into

[Emmortal]

Yea I tried tums but they were too short acting.  Zantac will knock it out for a good 8 hours or so.  You can probably pick some generic Zantac up at Walmart or a CVS/Walgreens or something.