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Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« on: July 29, 2008, 11:13:46 AM »
What a little punk.   ::)  We have an ever increasing group of little whiners in this country.  No surprise the ACLU was all over this one. 

Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
by Nirvi Shah and Kathleen McGrory / McClatchy Newspapers
Friday July 25, 2008, 3:03 PM
MIAMI -- A former Palm Beach County high school student's desire not to stand during the pledge of allegiance was supported by a federal appeals court this week -- though the court wouldn't go as far as to say that means every student in Florida is exempt from standing during the school-day ritual.

But the ruling by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta could trigger more lawsuits if other students are forced to stand for the pledge or punished if they do not, said Randall Marshall, an American Civil Liberties Union attorney who represented Cameron Frazier.

"What's different about Cameron Frazier than any other student in the state of Florida?" Marshall said.

Frazier was a junior at Boynton Beach High in 2005 when he refused to stand during the pledge and spent the rest of the day in the office after his teacher berated him for his disrespect, according to the original lawsuit.

Frazier did not have his parents' permission to abstain, but the teenager said he had not stood for the pledge since the sixth grade.

The appeals court upheld another Florida law that requires kids to get permission from their parents before abstaining from the pledge, reversing a lower court's ruling on that matter.

In a prepared statement, Florida Education Commissioner Eric Smith said the state Department of Education was "pleased" that the court "recognized the balance between the exercise of free speech and parents' right to direct and oversee their child's education and civic values."

The department and the state Board of Education, along with Frazier's teacher, other school employees and the Palm Beach County school district, were the defendants in the original case. Frazier settled with the district in 2006 but pursued his case against the state.

In 2006, a federal judge ruled that the state law requiring civilians to stand during the pledge, and another requiring students to get written parental permission to avoid participating, were unconstitutional. The state appealed.

In his statement, Smith wrote that the state Board of Education and Department of Education were seeking to defend "the constitutionality of the statute."

South Florida teachers who learned of the ruling Thursday had mixed reactions.

Ron Beasley, a teacher at W.R. Thomas Middle School near Tamiami and a retired Army Airborne Ranger, said he had no problems with his students sitting during the pledge, as long as they discussed it with him first.

"If a kid has told me that he or she doesn't believe in acknowledging the flag or it's a religious issue, I don't push it," he said. "But for the other kids who have not expressed some specific objection, it is a matter of respect and patriotism. They should be there for the pledge."

The pledge of allegiance must be recited once a day at public schools, according to a 1942 state law.

When the school district settled with Frazier, it also chose to follow federal law, which does not require standing during the pledge or written parental permission to avoid it.

Broward school district spokesman Keith Bromery said students do need to bring in a note from their parents to be exempt from participating in the pledge.

"If somebody does not want to do it, it's their right to opt out," Bromery said. "They cannot disrupt the procedure."

The Miami-Dade district does not require a note from parents, said Martha Montaner, administrative director for school operations.

"The students who choose not to participate, either because of a deep personal conviction or religious reasons, can stay silent or sit down until the activity is over," Montaner said. "We give the students the liberty to choose."

Students are not required to stand, she said.

Montaner could not say whether the district's policy would change in light of the ruling.

Frazier, who has not commented publicly about his suit, said he did not want to stand for the pledge "because of his personal political beliefs and convictions," the original lawsuit states.

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2008/07/court_oks_students_decision_to.html

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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2008, 11:25:16 AM »
Good...so don't let him  go to school then, no welfare, can't use the roads, currency, in fact can we just ship him out of the country.
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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2008, 11:29:20 AM »
Tell me about it.  We should trade him for one of the countless number of people waiting in line to live here. 

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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2008, 11:43:58 AM »
OMG WTF!!! if i was a student in that class I would have put my shoe so far up his ass he wouldnt have been able to sit down for a fukin week. Disgraceful that he did this, disgraceful that his parents didnt beat his ass when he got home, disgraceful that the courts decision was to say it was ok. This country is turning into a soft, wussified nation to the appeasement of a few and the chagrin of the rest of the hard working non pussified public.

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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2008, 11:47:57 AM »
OMG WTF!!! if i was a student in that class I would have put my shoe so far up his ass he wouldnt have been able to sit down for a fukin week. Disgraceful that he did this, disgraceful that his parents didnt beat his ass when he got home, disgraceful that the courts decision was to say it was ok. This country is turning into a soft, wussified nation to the appeasement of a few and the chagrin of the rest of the hard working non pussified public.

LOL.  Yeah.  My sentiments exactly, except I needed someone like you to put it in those terms.   :D

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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2008, 01:23:39 PM »
Disgusting, he should not be allowed access into any American schools then, if his convictions are so strong.

Why do these people even bother to live here?

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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2008, 01:27:24 PM »
Alexandre handed Frazier a copy of the Florida statute about written permission from parents and the student said he had heard about it before and was told he did not need parental permission to excuse him from standing. At that point, the complaint says Alexandre berated Frazier by saying, "You clearly have no respect! You are so ungrateful and so un-American. Do you know what's out there fighting our war? That flag you refuse to show respect to."

"No, our soldiers are fighting a war," Frazier responded. "The flag is an inanimate piece of cloth that doesn't move and surely can't hold a gun." At that point, Alexandre said she was "sick" of Frazier and ordered him to leave the classroom.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1519337/20051227/index.jhtml?headlines=true

Some student should have, taken care of this punk after school.

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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2008, 01:31:53 PM »
Alexandre handed Frazier a copy of the Florida statute about written permission from parents and the student said he had heard about it before and was told he did not need parental permission to excuse him from standing. At that point, the complaint says Alexandre berated Frazier by saying, "You clearly have no respect! You are so ungrateful and so un-American. Do you know what's out there fighting our war? That flag you refuse to show respect to."

"No, our soldiers are fighting a war," Frazier responded. "The flag is an inanimate piece of cloth that doesn't move and surely can't hold a gun." At that point, Alexandre said she was "sick" of Frazier and ordered him to leave the classroom.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1519337/20051227/index.jhtml?headlines=true

Some student should have, taken care of this punk after school.
exactly i probably would have gotten in more trouble than this douche bag for the ass whooping i would have laid on the ungrateful little shit stain.

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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2008, 04:27:19 PM »
Back in the day my friend got sued for a fight that happend off campus, and in trouble with the school, his parents had to fork over around 10k out of court costs to the kid, next week the kid that got beat up drove up to school in a new truck  ::)

Wow turning into some pansies, anti American ones.

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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2008, 04:49:38 PM »

you fuckers are over reacting on this one. A school boy doesn't want to stand for the pledge.

HOW DARE HE!!


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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2008, 04:51:36 PM »
you fuckers are over reacting on this one. A school boy doesn't want to stand for the pledge.

HOW DARE HE!!


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Ya pretty much.  If this little shit doesn't believe this is his country to honor than show him the door.  You need to beat his parents and this prick himself.  My dad would have thoroughly whooped my ass if I did this.
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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2008, 05:05:49 PM »
the court wouldn't go as far as to say that means every student in Florida is exempt from standing during the school-day ritual.



Yes the court wouldn't go as far, nor where they asked specificly, nor do they have the power to. Freedom of expression anybody? Slap him on the wrist and expell him for a day or so.

how the hell did this make it to the federal appeals court anyway?


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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2008, 05:49:32 PM »
Yes the court wouldn't go as far, nor where they asked specificly, nor do they have the power to. Freedom of expression anybody? Slap him on the wrist and expell him for a day or so.

how the hell did this make it to the federal appeals court anyway?
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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2008, 06:07:23 PM »
OH MY!!!!! HE DIDN'T STAND FOR THE PLEDGE!!!!!

WHAT IS THIS NATION COMING TO???!!!!!

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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2008, 06:09:37 PM »
OH MY!!!!! HE DIDN'T STAND FOR THE PLEDGE!!!!!

WHAT IS THIS NATION COMING TO???!!!!!

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i already stated maybe you missed it
This country is turning into a soft, wussified nation to the appeasement of a few and the chagrin of the rest of the hard working non pussified public.
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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2008, 06:12:45 PM »
I work longer hours than you. it doesn't bother me.

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Re: Court OKs student's decision to sit during pledge
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2008, 06:19:39 PM »
you know this b/c and what does that have to do with anything?