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Re: Biden is 65 years old
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2008, 03:54:43 PM »
Just imagine what he'll look like after 4 years in office.

The presidency ages a man.
it really does, but if he can survive 5 years in a prison camp im sure he would be fine.

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Re: Biden is 65 years old
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2008, 04:04:46 PM »
it really does, but if he can survive 5 years in a prison camp im sure he would be fine.

I agree.

Frankly, from a health standpoint, I'd be more concerned about the "ex" smoker. 

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Re: Biden is 65 years old
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2008, 04:16:08 PM »
I agree.

Frankly, from a health standpoint, I'd be more concerned about the "ex" smoker. 

You'd be more concerned about a 47-year old man who stopped smoking, than a man in his 70s who has had serious repeated cancer?

I could dig up statistics, but I think you already know...

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Re: Biden is 65 years old
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2008, 04:26:15 PM »
You'd be more concerned about a 47-year old man who stopped smoking, than a man in his 70s who has had serious repeated cancer?

I could dig up statistics, but I think you already know...

Of course.  McCain got a clean bill from doctors.  Go ahead and dig up stats on smokers. 

Obama obviously has a longer life expectancy than McCain, but in terms which is more likely to get sick, I'd say it's the one who just quit smoking.  I wonder what his lungs look like?     

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Re: Biden is 65 years old
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2008, 04:29:53 PM »
Of course.  McCain got a clean bill from doctors.  Go ahead and dig up stats on smokers. 

Obama obviously has a longer life expectancy than McCain, but in terms which is more likely to get sick, I'd say it's the one who just quit smoking.  I wonder what his lungs look like?     

you make a decent point.  Obama's mother died of cancer in her 50s.

However, I don't think either man is going to "get" sick as president with access to the best health care on earth.

On the other hand, mccain keeps showing up with odd bandages on those cancer spots, with reports "he bumped his head on the car again".  You can only believe that so many times, before you start to wonder if he's having secret treatment.

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« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2008, 04:42:20 PM »
you make a decent point.  Obama's mother died of cancer in her 50s.

However, I don't think either man is going to "get" sick as president with access to the best health care on earth.

On the other hand, mccain keeps showing up with odd bandages on those cancer spots, with reports "he bumped his head on the car again".  You can only believe that so many times, before you start to wonder if he's having secret treatment.

There is no way McCain or Obama can have "secret treatment."  Impossible.  People talk too much. 

The best health care on earth can treat, but not prevent, illness. 

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« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2008, 04:46:14 PM »
There is no way McCain or Obama can have "secret treatment."  Impossible.  People talk too much. 

The best health care on earth can treat, but not prevent, illness. 

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People talk too much?

Dude, mccain has doctor checkups frequently to monitor it, and keeps getting the verbal green light for the cameras.  We have absolutely zero clue if the man has any treatment.  same with Obama.  We do know that mccain had serious malignant skin cancer, and needed invasive removeal on that left temple.  We do know his "stay out of the sun" speech, right after a doc appt, where he was wearing a bandage on it, and said they just looked at it, and this was a week after he "bumped" that same spot and had another bandage.

What happens between a man and his doctor - especially a very well paid doctor - stays private.

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Re: Biden is 65 years old
« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2008, 04:49:01 PM »
???

People talk too much?

Dude, mccain has doctor checkups frequently to monitor it, and keeps getting the verbal green light for the cameras.  We have absolutely zero clue if the man has any treatment.  same with Obama.  We do know that mccain had serious malignant skin cancer, and needed invasive removeal on that left temple.  We do know his "stay out of the sun" speech, right after a doc appt, where he was wearing a bandage on it, and said they just looked at it, and this was a week after he "bumped" that same spot and had another bandage.

What happens between a man and his doctor - especially a very well paid doctor - stays private.

How utterly naive.  If you think Obama or McCain can have "secret" medical treatments, then you go right on believing that.  They can't even take a dump without the media knowing about it. 

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« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2008, 04:55:24 PM »
How utterly naive.  If you think Obama or McCain can have "secret" medical treatments, then you go right on believing that.  They can't even take a dump without the media knowing about it. 

Well now that's interesting considering McCain chose to authorize his medical records to viewed by reporters recently under the condition they could only view, but not record any of it.

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Re: Biden is 65 years old
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2008, 04:57:03 PM »
How utterly naive.  If you think Obama or McCain can have "secret" medical treatments, then you go right on believing that.  They can't even take a dump without the media knowing about it. 

Mccain walks into his docs office, and comes out later with a bandage.

We have zero idea what happened in there, except what mccain's press team releases.

That's fact. Same with obama.  Believing that "it'd HAVE to leak!" is a stretch on your part.  If the Doc and mccain are the only people that know, how would it leak?  Even if a small part of his team knew, who would leak it?  If you're at the top of the mccain team, you believe in the ideology and you're a rich man.  No way you'd leak that.  

We have no clue, with either guy.  It's that simple.

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Re: Biden is 65 years old
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2008, 05:00:24 PM »
Well now that's interesting considering McCain chose to authorize his medical records to viewed by reporters recently under the condition they could only view, but not record any of it.

He didn't really have a choice.  Has a party nominee, particularly an old one, not released their records in the recent past?  I doubt it. 

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« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2008, 05:00:30 PM »
Well now that's interesting considering McCain chose to authorize his medical records to viewed by reporters recently under the condition they could only view, but not record any of it.

they had about an hour to view 400+ pages of detailed medical records, no?

And there was no guarantee that some wasn't left out, due to personal reasons?


hardly a credible thing there.  IMO, EVERY candidate should undergo a public examination by non-partisan docs.  You want the biggest job in the world, you shouoldn't be able to hide things, and these men both have that ability.


Tsongas got 3rd to brown and clinton in 1992... and hid cancer the whole time!
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Re: Biden is 65 years old
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2008, 05:07:35 PM »
McCain's health is not an issue:

McCain in 'excellent health,' doctor says
     
FOUNTAIN HILLS, Arizona (CNN) -- A team of doctors from the Mayo Clinic declared Friday that there appears to be no physical reason why Sen. John McCain, the 71-year-old presumed Republican presidential candidate, could not carry out the duties of the office.

"Sen. McCain enjoys excellent health and displays extraordinary energy, and, while it is impossible to predict any person's future health, I and my colleagues can find no medical reason or problem that would preclude Sen. McCain from fulfilling all of the duties or obligations of the president of the United States," said Dr. John D. Eckstein, an internist who has been overseeing McCain's treatment for 16 years at the famed research center's campus in Scottsdale, Arizona.

McCain has been undergoing periodic examinations there since the 1990s and annual examinations since 2000, Eckstein said. His most recent comprehensive examination took place in March, with follow-up tests this month.

The doctors described a number of health issues faced by McCain, many of them typical for a man of his age but at least one of them potentially serious.

McCain has had four malignant melanomas removed. Three of them -- on his left shoulder, left arm and left nasal wall -- were limited to the top skin layer and were not invasive. They were removed in 1993, 2000 and 2002, and all were declared Stage 0, of little long-term concern.

But a fourth melanoma proved to be invasive and was removed from his left lower temple in 2000, Eckstein said.

The surgery on McCain's temple was carried out in August 2000 by Dr. Michael Hinni, who described the melanoma as 2.2 mm thick at the thickest point and 2 cm across.

Hinni said that, in order to leave a 2 cm margin that would minimize the risk of leaving some of the cancer intact, he had to remove a patch of skin roughly 6 cm in diameter, as well as an underlying carotid salivary gland from McCain's face.

Dissection of dozens of lymph nodes showed no evidence that the cancer had spread, he said.

According to the American Cancer Society, such a melanoma would be classified as Stage IIA, which is associated with a five-year survival rate of about 78 percent and a 10-year survival rate of about 66 percent.

The wound required major reconstruction and has left the senator with a mass of scar tissue on his face. His left jaw appears prominent because because there was an absence of soft tissue on the face in front of his ear, Hinni said.

CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta, who reviewed McCain's medical records, found previously unreported details about the operation.  Watch Dr. Sanjay Gupta on McCain's health records »

McCain developed swelling beneath the skin and had to be taken back for a second operation.

One in 58 Americans will develop malignant melanoma in their lifetime, said Dr. Suzanne Connolly, McCain's dermatologist. This year, an estimated 116,500 cases will be diagnosed in the United States, with more than 62,000 of them invasive, she said.

McCain has many of the risk factors associated with the cancer: light skin, light-colored eyes and a history of excessive sun exposure, she said.

Though there is no sign of recurrence, McCain monitors his skin carefully, is examined by his dermatologist every three to four months and "practices good habits of sun safety," she said.

Connolly described the candidate's prognosis as good.

"There is no way to predict with certainty the percentage, but the percentage would be thought to be in the single-digit area," she said.

McCain has also been treated for other less serious skin cancers, but Eckstein did not specify how many.

McCain has had a number of more routine interactions with his doctors, not unusual for a man of his age. He has had four small kidney stones in his right kidney and a number of small benign cysts in both kidneys, but his kidney function is normal, Eckstein said.

In August 2001, McCain noticed blood in his urine, and doctors found stones in his bladder that they used lasers to break apart. At the same time, they surgically removed enlarged prostate tissue, which was the cause of the bleeding, Eckstein said.

Since then, McCain's urination has been normal, Eckstein said.

McCain's prostate has showed no signs of cancer, and his prostate-specific antigen test -- which can indicate prostate cancer risk -- was also normal, Eckstein said.

He said McCain takes the diuretic hydrochlorothiazide to prevent the formation of kidney stones.

He takes the diuretic in a 25 mg dose, which is also the standard for treating high blood pressure.

Eckstein said that, though McCain's systolic rate -- the top number in a blood pressure reading -- had sometimes been slightly high, the drug was being prescribed solely for kidney stone prevention.

He added that he has encouraged McCain to reduce his salt intake, another method of lowering blood pressure.

McCain first had an adenomatous colon polyp removed in the 1990s. Though the next two tests -- performed years apart -- proved negative, the most recent test carried out last month revealed six of the polyps, all of which were removed, Eckstein said.

Though the polyps were all of the type that are potentially precancerous, they were found so early that they pose little threat, he said.

McCain will continue to have periodic colonoscopies, the doctor said.

McCain has displayed no evidence of heart disease or other cardiovascular disease, Eckstein said. "Indeed, he walked the Grand Canyon rim to rim in August 2006" and hikes whenever his schedule permits, he said.

A stress echocardiogram carried out in March was "entirely normal," he said.

McCain has also been treated for high lipid levels. Eckstein said he originally prescribed Vytorin, but a recent study raised questions about its efficacy, and he recently switched the Republican candidate to simvastatin.

McCain has had orthopedic problems in the past, many of them traced to October 1967, when the Navy flier's plane was shot down over Vietnam.

He broke both arms and a leg when he ejected and spent the next 5½ years as a prisoner of war in Hanoi. During that time, he was beaten and tortured repeatedly, suffering fractures of both shoulders. Because he received no treatment for his fractures, they healed improperly, leaving him with reduced range of motion for his shoulders, arms and right knee, Eckstein said.

McCain takes a daily aspirin to prevent formation of blood clots; an occasional Zyrtec, an antihistamine used for nasal allergies; and the sleep agent Ambien CR for treatment of insomnia when he travels.

He also takes a multi-vitamin tablet.

Some reporters, including CNN's, were allowed to examine McCain's medical records. In one, McCain's fasting blood sugar value was described as "impaired."

Asked to elaborate, Eckstein said he thought that the note referred to a 111 mg/dl blood sugar, with normals "in most labs" being between 70 mg/dl and 100 mg/dl.

Eckstein said he followed that test result with another that he did not identify, "which was completely normal."

McCain, a two-pack-a-day smoker for 25 years, quit in 1980. He recently had a CT scan of his chest performed, and it proved normal, Eckstein said.

The former pilot also sometimes experiences occasional dizziness when he stands, a benign condition called positional vertigo, Eckstein said.

"When he and many other people arise from sitting or lying down, they get a sudden whirling sensation which may last two to five seconds and then disappears," he said. "It does not indicate any vascular problem to the brain, and it is not a precursor to stroke."

McCain's father died of a stroke at age 70, but his 96-year-old mother is in good health and has appeared on the campaign trail with him.

McCain released his medical records voluntarily. He did the same when he ran for president in 2000.

The two Democrats competing for their party's nomination, Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton, have not released their doctors' files.

Obama's campaign said it will release a summary of his medical condition next week, composed by his primary care physician. The campaign said it will show that he is in good health.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/05/23/mccain.health.records/index.html

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=216492.0

Has Obama released his medical records?

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Re: Biden is 65 years old
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2008, 05:09:13 PM »
You'd be more concerned about a 47-year old man who stopped smoking, than a man in his 70s who has had serious repeated cancer?

I could dig up statistics, but I think you already know...

Why? BB is aware that Obama is Halfrican, which exposes him to high blood pressure, gluacoma, heart dsease, and diabetes.

McCain's mother is still alive and running on all cylinders.

Oh and Obama smokes that is not good coupled with the fact that he has a bad temper, today he said "hell" in a angered fashion at a 'after Church meeting.'


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Re: Biden is 65 years old
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2008, 06:04:30 PM »
Oh and Obama smokes

Do you have any proof of this?  He said he quit months ago, and despite 24/7 media scrutiny, there hasn't been any proof of him still smoking.

if we're allowed to assume things based on OLD habits, should we ponder on which girl mccain is hitting on these days?

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« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2008, 06:19:38 PM »
Do you have any proof of this?  He said he quit months ago, and despite 24/7 media scrutiny, there hasn't been any proof of him still smoking.

if we're allowed to assume things based on OLD habits, should we ponder on which girl mccain is hitting on these days?

No he used to smoke. At least we know that once you quit smoking your VO2 levels increase by 50% within 2 weeks, so at least we know when he has temper tantrums he can breathe correctly.

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Re: Biden is 65 years old
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2008, 06:26:23 PM »
Obama smokes

No he used to smoke.

Your two statements are very different.


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« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2008, 06:32:07 PM »
Your two statements are very different.



Well the 2nd one says he used to smoke, which still leads to health concerns.

I'm sure the crack he smoked as a college student did not help the cause for health concerns  :-\

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« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2008, 06:48:42 PM »
Well the 2nd one says he used to smoke, which still leads to health concerns.

I'm sure the crack he smoked as a college student did not help the cause for health concerns  :-\

So are you 'taking back' the first statement that he still smokes?

or are you hoping that bringing up crack smoking will focus people there?

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« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2008, 06:53:52 PM »
So are you 'taking back' the first statement that he still smokes?

or are you hoping that bringing up crack smoking will focus people there?

Do you have proof he still smokes?

If not then we can by the the "he used to smoke" crack and cigarettes statements since both are true, and both are dangerous to health.

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« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2008, 06:56:58 PM »
Do you have proof he still smokes?

If not then we can by the the "he used to smoke" crack and cigarettes statements since both are true, and both are dangerous to health.

You're attempting to redirect the conversation.  I would like to know if you stand by your statement that:

Obama smokes


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« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2008, 07:00:42 PM »
You're attempting to redirect the conversation.  I would like to know if you stand by your statement that:



You can't read well.

Do you have proof he still smokes?

If not then we can by the the "he used to smoke" crack and cigarettes statements since both are true, and both are dangerous to health.

Focus on reading some Voltaire later on.

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Re: Biden is 65 years old
« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2008, 07:04:43 PM »
You can't read well.

Focus on reading some Voltaire later on.

You said he smokes.  I asked for proof.  You have none.  That's about where we are.  You can change the subject to crack and Voltaire if you want.

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« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2008, 07:18:54 PM »
I did, and he did, and it's obvious it's causing some harm.



not sure, was this the same day a 7 year old asked him why he wants to be president?

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« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2008, 07:22:12 PM »
You said he smokes.  I asked for proof.  You have none.  That's about where we are.  You can change the subject to crack and Voltaire if you want.

He said he smoked pot in his book, i was told here on GETBIG.