Mccain's "POW" - Becoming Rudy's "911"?

[240 is Back]

When asked about cheating on his wife...
Maureen Dowd:  He gets leeway because he was a POW.

When asked on Leno about how many home he owns...
McCain: I don't know, but I did stay at the hanoi Hilton.


You cannot criticize his character because he was a POW.
You cannot criticize him using the 'elitist' card when losing track of his own home ownage, because he was a POW.


CNN and MSNBC are starting to call him on it nonstop.  The last time they did this, it marginalized Rudy as a "911 abuser" and his campaign sunk shortly thereafter.  POW is mccain's main calling card - and he is clearly using it as a defense against all.

[tonymctones]

he was away from his wife for 5+ yrs bro, you think your marriage would survive that?

I agree it is getting played to much but on the cheating and divorce thing he should be given slack.

then again you had obama over there playing the race card every 5 secs so...

[240 is Back]

he was away from his wife for 5+ yrs bro, you think your marriage would survive that?
I agree it is getting played to much but on the cheating and divorce thing he should be given slack.
then again you had obama over there playing the race card every 5 secs so...

Most people didn't say anything when he used it to justify dating many women.

However, when he uses it to justify things entirely unrelated, he loses the honor it brings.

Just like the A-hole firefighter who says he's a better man than everyone else because "I'm a hero firefighter!" or a military vet who claims he's a "better" american because he served.  You lose the credibility it brings when you abuse that credibility.  Using Hanoi (50 years ago) to get out of his houses now... not good.

[OzmO]

he was away from his wife for 5+ yrs bro, you think your marriage would survive that?

I agree it is getting played to much but on the cheating and divorce thing he should be given slack.

then again you had obama over there playing the race card every 5 secs so...

You keep bringing that up....


did everyone's marriage dissolve?

[youandme]

Just like the A-hole firefighter who says he's a better man than everyone else because "I'm a hero firefighter!"

How does that make him an "A-Hole"?

[240 is Back]

How does that make him an "A-Hole"?

If a firefighter walks around a party and claims to be a better man and a hero because he chose to work as a firefighter, he loses all of that honor and respect.

Anytime a person attempts to utilize an honorable title or bestowed honor to - pwn someone, get out of trouble, etc - he loses it.

yes, any firefighter who brags about being a hero loses that honor.

[youandme]

If a firefighter walks around a party and claims to be a better man and a hero because he chose to work as a firefighter, he loses all of that honor and respect.

Anytime a person attempts to utilize an honorable title or bestowed honor to - pwn someone, get out of trouble, etc - he loses it.

yes, any firefighter who brags about being a hero loses that honor.

240, you can't characterize one persons actions to represent a majority.

Maybe he was drunk, or suffers from PTS. It still does not take away from the services he performed on that day, and everyday he goes to work.

[240 is Back]

240, you can't characterize one persons actions to represent a majority.

Maybe he was drunk, or suffers from PTS. It still does not take away from the services he performed on that day, and everyday he goes to work.

If a drunk firefighter will stand at a party and call every other dude punks because they're not heroes like he is... well... he's not a hero anymore.  With wine comes truth.

Anyone who tries to use their heroic deeds as capital to get ahead of others, or to get out of trouble, it's disgusting.

Mccain using "I was a POW" to get out of legit Qs... that cheapens his war record.  Suppose tomorrow he's caught getting answers piped into his earpiece, or funneling money illegally.  Can "Hey, gimme some slack, I was a POW 50 years ago!" still work?

[tonymctones]

You keep bringing that up....


did everyone's marriage dissolve?

LOL i knew youd chime in on that

No but i bet if you took all the married ppl in american and seperated them from their spouses for 5+ years most them would.

[Hugo Chavez]

240 is right, how can anybody justify some of the things he's using the POW thing for?  It is starting to turn into, "don't be critical X, I was a POW" where X is the topic I'm getting hammered on.  THAT is NOT cool or respectful to POWs...  I bet they don't like the term being used for a political crutch, for political gain.

[OzmO]

LOL i knew youd chime in on that

No but i bet if you took all the married ppl in american and seperated them from their spouses for 5+ years most them would.

Don't you think there is a big different in the people and family values in the 60's versus now and the fact that those people when to war?

[tonymctones]

Don't you think there is a big different in the people and family values in the 60's versus now and the fact that those people when to war?

very very true and in the end no comparison would be equal I can understand where your coming from on the era it was and divorce not being as common and family values being stronger or at least thats where i think your going with that.

Think about this though...What kind of social disabilities do vets come home with now, im sure youve heard of many stories of vets doing weird what might be considered crazy thing. It cant be easy trying to adjust back into society never the less restablishing ties with family and friends. Imagine being in a prison camp for 5 years, imagine the shit that youve been put through and the shit that youve seen done to ppl that would change anybody in a profound way, it couldnt have been easy to reconnect with his wife.

[OzmO]

very very true and in the end no comparison would be equal I can understand where your coming from on the era it was and divorce not being as common and family values being stronger or at least thats where i think your going with that.

Think about this though...What kind of social disabilities do vets come home with now, im sure youve heard of many stories of vets doing weird what might be considered crazy thing. It cant be easy trying to adjust back into society never the less restablishing ties with family and friends. Imagine being in a prison camp for 5 years, imagine the shit that youve been put through and the shit that youve seen done to ppl that would change anybody in a profound way, it couldnt have been easy to reconnect with his wife.

no doubt.  I can only imagine.

[CQ]

I am not comparing the experinence at all, and I do think McCain gets more leeway than say a person with zero excuse, but speaking as a female, and someone who raised a kid alone for many years due to also unfortunate circumstances - one forgets the wife wasn't having a peachy time either.

I am sure it wasn't too hot being all alone raising kids, dealing with their pain over their dad etc, worrying about your husband, working to free him and then she had the unfortunate accident. I've been there, there is little worse than seeing your kids pain as all parents know.

To stick by someone's side for 5 years, then that person dumps you and your kids off quickly, probably was't too cool.

So it's not all one sided. The kids didn't even attend the wedding, so that speaks volumes.