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Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« on: September 09, 2008, 09:32:10 AM »
Get ready folks for the biggest BAIL-OUT in history. Can you say TRILLIONS of dollars of tax payer money is now is question. Drop your socks and hold your cocks because the shit is going to hit the fan now.

Good luck USA, This bailout is going to cost us all 5 TRILLION dollars now add to that the current bank failures, Silver state bank just folded and now there is rumor about US Bank ( UBS ) is going to be taken over.

Where is all this bailout money coming from, I tell you C H I N A in the form of US backed securities. My god people, you all better get ready and stock up because this will boil over into something that isnt good and its going to crush this country.

Yet not one greedy co*ksucker is going to jail for fraud. Wonder why that is, wonder why all these failed CEO's are walking away with MILLIONS in tax payer money in their pockets.

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2008, 09:36:01 AM »
You forgot to add at the end VOTE DEMOCRATIC ::)

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2008, 09:39:14 AM »
No.

This is Bush's mess.

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2008, 09:43:24 AM »
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac CEOs to get golden parachutes
Daniel Mudd and Richard Syron, who are stepping down, have already made millions at the troubled mortgage giants and are expected to take away millions more.
By William Heisel
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

Shareholders in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac saw the value of their stock nearly disappear Monday after the mortgage giants had been taken over by the federal government, but the companies' chief executives will leave after banking millions and taking millions more on the way out the door.

Fannie Mae's Daniel Mudd and Freddie Mac's Richard Syron stepped down but are helping with the transition of their companies into federal conservatorship under the Federal Housing Finance Agency. The agency has not said how much they will earn in their new roles.

Mudd earned $11.6 million last year, and Syron made $18.3 million. In both cases, a large portion of their pay packages included stock that was valued much higher at the end of 2007 than it was as of Monday, when it was trading at less than $1 a share.

By conservative estimates, Mudd, 49, and Syron, 64, will leave with an additional $7.3 million and $6.3 million, respectively, as part of a severance package, according to an analysis by Paul Hodgson at the Corporate Library.

"Had they left at the end of December, they both would have walked away with more than $20 million, but the drop in the stock price has had a dramatic impact," said Hodgson, a senior research associate. "It's still a substantial payoff for an executive who has managed a company so badly that the federal government has had to step in and save it."

Presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), in a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. and James Lockhart, the housing agency director, urged them to void the "inappropriate" payments.

"Under no circumstances should the executives of these institutions earn a windfall at a time when the U.S. Treasury has taken unprecedented steps to rescue these companies with taxpayer resources," Obama wrote.

The amounts are much smaller than those earned by other CEOs fired recently after their companies stumbled. Stan O'Neal left Merrill Lynch & Co. with a retirement package worth more than $160 million, and Charles O. Prince, the head of Citigroup Inc., left with a $40-million deal.

Still, some market watchers think Mudd and Syron should leave with little more than the contents of their desks. "It's just another example of pay for failure," said Amy Borrus, deputy director of the Council of Institutional Investors.

Both Mudd and Syron were brought in to reform the troubled mortgage giants.

Fannie Mae fired its previous CEO, Franklin Raines, in December 2004 after accounting errors forced the company to restate profits by $9 billion. When Mudd, a former General Electric Co. executive who had served as Fannie Mae's vice chairman, took over that same month, shares were trading at about $70. On Friday, the day news of the possible takeover started to leak out, Fannie Mae shares were trading at $7.04. On Monday, the shares closed at 73 cents.

Freddie Mac had its own accounting problems when Syron took over in December 2003. The company was forced to admit that it had inflated its earnings by nearly $5 billion. Like Mudd, Syron, who had served as chief executive of Thermo Electron Corp. and the American Stock Exchange, pledged to fix the company and get it back on track. Freddie's shares, which traded for about $55 when Syron took over, dropped to $4.65 on Friday and then to 88 cents Monday.

Far from fixing them, both Mudd and Syron presided over major expansions of the companies' reliance on risky mortgages that ended up going into default over the last two years.

"How can we pay these people these exorbitant amounts of money when they brought us to the brink of financial disaster?" said Michael Greenberger, a University of Maryland law professor and former director at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.

"The average working stiff is just worried about how he's going to pay his mortgage and put gas in his car. These guys make the situation worse and still make millions."

Shareholders will have little to say on how much the two pick up, and some experts said that was as it should be. Without the conservatorship, Fannie and Freddie could have gone bankrupt, causing further panic in the beleaguered housing and stock markets.

Analysts and investment advisors said Monday that the cost of paying Syron and Mudd to leave their posts was a blip compared with the damage that would have been done by a bankruptcy filing. With Fannie and Freddie, the nation's biggest mortgage buyers, out of business, foreclosures probably would have continued to climb at an even faster rate, analysts said, and home prices would have fallen further.

"This is what we needed to put a floor under the housing market," said Michael Nozzarella, managing director at the Tarbox Group, a Newport Beach investment advisor.

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2008, 09:48:32 AM »
The reason they are walking away is because Bush was behind the mess.

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2008, 09:55:02 AM »
Socialize the losses and capitalize the profits.  Welcome to America!  Haha HH6 ............."I don't see the gloom and doom"??????? Moron. 

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2008, 09:56:15 AM »
You forgot to add at the end VOTE DEMOCRATIC ::)

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2008, 10:17:16 AM »
Should have been more regulations of banks' abilities to lend money. Too many greedy brokers who didn't care.

I mean 2 years back a person earning $34,000 a year could get an $800,000 mortgage.

I don't think they should be bailed out. Just let shit hit the fan.

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2008, 10:31:32 AM »
Should have been more regulations of banks' abilities to lend money. Too many greedy brokers who didn't care.

I mean 2 years back a person earning $34,000 a year could get an $800,000 mortgage.

I don't think they should be bailed out. Just let shit hit the fan.

Fuck regulations.  People just need to have more personal accountability and responsibility.  That's the fucking problem with America.  Everybody gets a little taste of freedom and they use it to screw each other over.  Why do we constantly need government to tell people what the right thing to do is?  People are pathetic nowadays.  I agree let the shit implode.  But that won't happen cause lot of rich people will lose a lot of money.  Would you?  Would I?  Hell no.  I'm a renter again after I sold my house before the market tanked.  I could give a shit about the whole housing boon doggle. 

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2008, 10:42:52 AM »

Financial stripmining.  Same as it ever was.

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2008, 10:56:19 AM »
This is why the Housing market crashed.

Does anyone remember these speeches?

During the 2004 campaign, W claimed his economic policies brought home ownership in America to 68%, the highest ever:

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Thanks to being the most productive workforce in America, and I might say, thanks to good policies, this economy is strong and it's getting stronger," Bush told supporters.

Noting that 68 percent of Americans own their own homes, Bush said, "Home sales were the highest ever recently. That's exciting news for the country."

Turns out of course that it was true. Unqualified buyers were given loans they didn't understand and couldn't possibly pay back.

In 2002, W held a press conference, He spoke of setting the nations home ownership goals:

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We are here in Washington, D.C. to address problems. So I've set this goal for the country. We want 5.5 million more homeowners by 2010 -- million more minority homeowners by 2010. Five-and-a-half million families by 2010 will own a home. That is our goal. It is a realistic goal. But it's going to mean we're going to have to work hard to achieve the goal, all of us. And by all of us, I mean not only the federal government, but the private sector, as well.

And so I want to, one, encourage you to do everything you can to work in a realistic, smart way to get this done. I repeat, we're here for a reason. And part of the reason is to make this dream extend everywhere.

I'm going to do my part by setting the goal, by reminding people of the goal, by heralding the goal, and by calling people into action, both the federal level, state level, local level, and in the private sector.


So after "setting the goal", it was up to the market to deliver, make it happen, whatever it took. He then used the 'numbers' in his '04 campaign to show what wonders his economic policies had brought to the American public.

His "house" of cards finally collapsed last year, and taxpayers are footing the bill.


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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2008, 11:32:08 AM »
if you just "let it implode", it'll create an even bigger shit storm.  in my opinion, this "bailout" is the best / only option there was.  you can't just sit there and watch these trillions of dollars of mortgages go unpaid.  so we all have to take the fall, but if the last year or so is an indicator, we (the us economy) was just sliding in the shitter anyways.

"this too shall pass".
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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2008, 11:44:51 AM »
if you just "let it implode", it'll create an even bigger shit storm.  in my opinion, this "bailout" is the best / only option there was.  you can't just sit there and watch these trillions of dollars of mortgages go unpaid.  so we all have to take the fall, but if the last year or so is an indicator, we (the us economy) was just sliding in the shitter anyways.

"this too shall pass".

It will take many years.

Times are about to get much worse for the American taxpayer.

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2008, 11:47:59 AM »
It will take many years.

Times are about to get much worse for the American taxpayer.

meh, nothing we can do but bend over and take it.

i mean, is there anything we can do?  no one asked me or you what we should do with the mortgage crisis.  we just get deductions on our paychecks.
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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2008, 11:56:43 AM »
The reason they are walking away is because Bush was behind the mess.
Are you insane?

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2008, 12:12:09 PM »
Are you insane?

No.

This was the Bush administrations doing. If the CEO's from these two mortgage companies are prosecuted, how would that make the Bush administration look?

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2008, 12:36:56 PM »
What kind of moron names a company "Fannie Mae" to begin with?  ???

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2008, 12:51:57 PM »
No.

This was the Bush administrations doing. If the CEO's from these two mortgage companies are prosecuted, how would that make the Bush administration look?
It would have no affect whatsoever.

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2008, 01:27:52 PM »
It would have no affect whatsoever.

I guess you're right.

The American people really don't give a f**k.

We will find out in November.

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2008, 02:17:45 PM »
Bailing them out was the best thing to do.

The problem is that those who created the crisis, the so called best of the best, walked away with millions. I am referring to all those best and the brightest working at Wall Street, earning loads of money with selling products they basically did not understand. The market crashes, and the taxpayer can pay the bill.
That's rough to say the least.

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2008, 06:44:17 PM »
Good time to be a loan officer. Rates are tumbling like crazy now that Fannie/Freddie have come under gonvernment regulation. The government's involment should ease lending restrictions a little instead of turning everybody away who doesn't have at least a 680 credit score.

They should completely do away with no doc programs for people not self-employed and most lenders have done that. The implosion that some of you speak of has already occurred in massive waves with a startling number of nationwide mortgage defaults and foreclosures even amongst the prime mortgage holders.

The US economy will not and cannot thrive with a weak housing market. The government had to intervene, there was no choice in the matter. This involvment by the feds will bring eventual stability to a weak housing market by around 2010 or 2011.

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Re: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bail-Out
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2008, 10:55:42 AM »
Bailing them out was the best thing to do.

The problem is that those who created the crisis, the so called best of the best, walked away with millions. I am referring to all those best and the brightest working at Wall Street, earning loads of money with selling products they basically did not understand. The market crashes, and the taxpayer can pay the bill.
That's rough to say the least.
Thats what pisses me off.  Wall Street always wants minimum govt. involvement, which i agree with to an extent (regulators have to do their jobs)  All of a sudden, all these bad moves make these huge companies basically worthless and they cry to the goverment to bail them out.