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ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« on: July 30, 2010, 01:23:45 PM »
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ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
Friday, 30 Jul 2010    
By: Kara Rowland

The ACLU on Thursday excoriated President Obama for continuing the Bush administration's strictest national security policies, including indefinite detention, military commissions and a "targeted kill" program that authorizes the government to take out suspected terrorists anywhere.

The American Civil Liberties Union warned Mr. Obama, in a report based on a review of his 18 months in office, that his administration was on course to institutionalize the policies of his predecessor. The ACLU was a fierce critic of President George W. Bush's war on terror.

Failing to overturn those and other contentious tactics risks the creation of a "new normal," the ACLU argued in the report, which looked at administration policies it says implicate human rights and civil liberties.

"President Obama began his presidency with a bang, signing executive orders that placed the power of the presidency behind the restoration of the rule of law and gave meaning to the president's stated view that America must lead with its values," said Anthony D. Romero, the ACLU's executive director. "Unfortunately, since that time, the administration has displayed a decidedly mixed record resulting, on a range of issues, in the very real danger that the Obama administration will institutionalize some of the most troublesome policies of the previous administration."

The ACLU praised Mr. Obama, however, for putting an end to the use of so-called enhanced-interrogation techniques and for publishing Bush-era memos outlining their legal justifications in the name of transparency.

Indeed, Mr. Obama signed two sweeping executive orders upon taking office that sought to undo some of Mr. Bush's most controversial policies: outlawing tactics he deemed as torture and ordering the closure of the prison at U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Both steps were widely hailed by civil liberties groups, but implementation of the latter has proved elusive as Congress has thwarted Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. from following through on the effort.

As a consequence, the administration has continued to hold detainees at the prison without trial as officials figure out what to do with them, a practice that he criticized as a senator. Meanwhile, though the Justice Department has chosen to try several high-profile suspected terrorists in federal courts, it has continued to use the military commission system at Guantanamo originally set up by Mr. Bush, albeit with reforms enacted by Congress.

Asked about the ACLU's report Thursday, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs cited those reforms, aimed at making the system more fair, and noted there are critics at each end of the political spectrum.

"At almost every opportunity, somebody, I think wrongly, suggests that our policies are markedly different from, or that our policies are such that they won't keep us safe and criticize the positions that the president has taken. So it's ironic now that in the same argument there's somebody who says they're completely the same," he told reporters.

The ACLU report said Mr. Obama's decision to release Justice Department memos was good for transparency and allowed the American people to judge Mr. Bush's policies to determine whether they were conceived in good faith. But it criticized Justice attorneys for Mr. Obama for not pursuing those who authorized "torture" and for fighting the release of additional documents regarding the interrogation program.

The ACLU also hit the administration for subsequently fighting the release of photos of detainees allegedly being mistreated in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting legislation that allowed the Pentagon to block their release.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/ACLU--Obama--security--policies/2010/07/30/id/366102

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2010, 01:36:40 PM »
Straw - Obama seems like George Washington no? 

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2010, 01:58:03 PM »
The ACLU on Thursday excoriated President Obama for continuing the Bush administration's strictest national security policies, including indefinite detention, military commissions and a "targeted kill" program that authorizes the government to take out suspected terrorists anywhere.




Nothing wrong with institutionalizing these policies.  Go Barry (still won't vote for you, haha).

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2010, 02:00:34 PM »



Nothing wrong with institutionalizing these policies.  Go Barry (still won't vote for you, haha).

I don't agree with indefinite detention unless there is a trial or hearing.   

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2010, 02:03:01 PM »
I don't support holding anyone indefinitely without charges. 

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2010, 02:05:49 PM »
As long as they're not American citizens I don't give two fucks about it.  I'm tired of shitbags abusing our Constitution.  They don't live under it, they don't respect, they don't abide by it...as far as I'm concerned they don't get the benefits extended by it.

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2010, 02:12:13 PM »
As long as they're not American citizens I don't give two fucks about it.  I'm tired of shitbags abusing our Constitution.  They don't live under it, they don't respect, they don't abide by it...as far as I'm concerned they don't get the benefits extended by it.

I pretty much agree.  I don't think non-American terrorists/suspected terrorists should be given the same rights as Americans, including habeas, etc.

Where I have a problem is locking people up for years without charging them with a crime.  It's Kafkaesque.

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2010, 06:51:24 PM »
I don't agree with indefinite detention unless there is a trial or hearing.   

I don't support holding anyone indefinitely without charges. 


I agree.
It's too damned expensive.

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2010, 10:51:52 PM »
Even the ACLU doesn't like him, lol!

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2010, 10:55:42 PM »
Straw - Obama seems like George Washington no? 

ouch.



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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2010, 12:21:20 PM »

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2010, 01:27:03 PM »
Straw - Obama seems like George Washington no? 

Of course not

Obama is not a liberal

He's a centrist at best and I've said for months now that people on the left criticize him for not being liberal enough and I've criticized him for continuing many of Bush's policies

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2010, 08:37:18 PM »

I agree.
It's too damned expensive.


Battlefield executions?

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2010, 12:18:46 AM »
Of course not

Obama is not a liberal

He's a centrist at best and I've said for months now that people on the left criticize him for not being liberal enough and I've criticized him for continuing many of Bush's policies

Seriously, for all the "where are all the knee-padders on this one?" talk you do, there has been a fair amount of criticism coming from the left on this board.The fluctuating timelines on the troop pullouts, the continuation of the Afghanistan war and  segments of the healthcare bill. Yes. libs and those left of center generally support him, but it's really nothing like the blind faith of supporters of the previous adminstration.

As for him being Bush 3, no. the article addresses the fact that the administration has made some significant changes. They need to make more, but they have made move in the right direction.

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2010, 04:57:39 AM »
Seriously, for all the "where are all the knee-padders on this one?" talk you do, there has been a fair amount of criticism coming from the left on this board.The fluctuating timelines on the troop pullouts, the continuation of the Afghanistan war and  segments of the healthcare bill. Yes. libs and those left of center generally support him, but it's really nothing like the blind faith of supporters of the previous adminstration.

As for him being Bush 3, no. the article addresses the fact that the administration has made some significant changes. They need to make more, but they have made move in the right direction.

Remind me again why amnesty failed in 2005 and Harriet Meirs was dropped?

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2010, 05:00:42 AM »

Battlefield executions?


I won't say what I think we should do to them.
It would likely offend left-wingers, right-wingers, Muslims, Christians, Atheists, Jews, blacks, whites, and one guy in Saskatoon.


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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2010, 05:43:14 AM »
Enough GITMO detainees have probably ended up being re-detained to entertain executing them all and just closing the base. It would save tons of money.

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2010, 08:28:58 AM »
Remind me again why amnesty failed in 2005 and Harriet Meirs was dropped?

So he made it through nearly one and a half terms before you zombies started to realize something was wrong.

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2010, 09:27:16 AM »
Administration Claims Unchecked Authority to Kill Americans Outside Combat Zones/ACLU and CCR Stmnt
Posted by Catherina in General Discussion
Mon Nov 08th 2010, 08:39 PM
November 8, 2010


________________________ ________________________ ________________________


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: (212) 549-2666; media@aclu.org

Obama Administration Claims Unchecked Authority to Kill Americans Outside Combat Zones
ACLU and CCR Statement

WASHINGTON - The Obama administration today argued before a federal court that it should have unreviewable authority to kill Americans the executive branch has unilaterally determined to pose a threat. Government lawyers made that claim in response to a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) charging that the administration's asserted targeted killing authority violates the Constitution and international law. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia heard arguments from both sides today.

"Not only does the administration claim to have sweeping power to target and kill U.S. citizens anywhere in the world, but it makes the extraordinary claim that the court has no role in reviewing that power or the legal standards that apply," said CCR Staff Attorney Pardiss Kebriaei, who presented arguments in the case. "The Supreme Court has repeatedly rejected the government's claim to an unchecked system of global detention, and the district court should similarly reject the administration's claim here to an unchecked system of global targeted killing."

The ACLU and CCR were retained by Nasser Al-Aulaqi to bring a lawsuit in connection with the government's decision to authorize the targeted killing of his son, U.S. citizen Anwar Al-Aulaqi. The lawsuit asks the court to rule that, outside the context of armed conflict, the government can carry out the targeted killing of an American citizen only as a last resort to address an imminent threat to life or physical safety. The lawsuit also asks the court to order the government to disclose the legal standard it uses to place U.S. citizens on government kill lists.

"If the Constitution means anything, it surely means that the president does not have unreviewable authority to summarily execute any American whom he concludes is an enemy of the state," said Jameel Jaffer, Deputy Legal Director of the ACLU, who presented arguments in the case. "It's the government's responsibility to protect the nation from terrorist attacks, but the courts have a crucial role to play in ensuring that counterterrorism policies are consistent with the Constitution."

The government filed a brief in the case in September, claiming that the executive's targeted killing authority is a "political question" that should not be subject to judicial review. The government also asserted the "state secrets" privilege, contending that the case should be dismissed to avoid the disclosure of sensitive information.

The lawsuit was filed against CIA Director Leon Panetta, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and President Barrack Obama in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. Attorneys on the case are Jaffer, Ben Wizner, Jonathan Manes and Jennifer Turner of the ACLU; Kebriaei, Maria LaHood and Bill Quigley of CCR; and Arthur B. Spitzer of the ACLU of the Nation's Capital. Co-counsel in Yemen is Mohammed Allawo of the Allawo Law Firm and the National Organization for Defending Human Rights (HOOD).

For more information on the case, including fact sheets and legal papers, visit: www.aclu.org/targetedkillings and www.ccrjustice.org/targetedkillings


http://www.aclu.org/national-security/obam...


The constitution means nothing anymore.


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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2010, 09:29:53 AM »
It's a cold day in hell. I agree with Obama 100% on this. Not only that, the President should have the authority to kill any person, anywhere- American or not, if he poses a threat to National Security.

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2010, 09:30:11 AM »
Administration Claims Unchecked Authority to Kill Americans Outside Combat Zones/ACLU and CCR Stmnt
Posted by Catherina in General Discussion
Mon Nov 08th 2010, 08:39 PM
November 8, 2010


________________________ ________________________ ________________________


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: (212) 549-2666; media@aclu.org

Obama Administration Claims Unchecked Authority to Kill Americans Outside Combat Zones
ACLU and CCR Statement

WASHINGTON - The Obama administration today argued before a federal court that it should have unreviewable authority to kill Americans the executive branch has unilaterally determined to pose a threat. Government lawyers made that claim in response to a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) charging that the administration's asserted targeted killing authority violates the Constitution and international law. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia heard arguments from both sides today.

"Not only does the administration claim to have sweeping power to target and kill U.S. citizens anywhere in the world, but it makes the extraordinary claim that the court has no role in reviewing that power or the legal standards that apply," said CCR Staff Attorney Pardiss Kebriaei, who presented arguments in the case. "The Supreme Court has repeatedly rejected the government's claim to an unchecked system of global detention, and the district court should similarly reject the administration's claim here to an unchecked system of global targeted killing."

The ACLU and CCR were retained by Nasser Al-Aulaqi to bring a lawsuit in connection with the government's decision to authorize the targeted killing of his son, U.S. citizen Anwar Al-Aulaqi. The lawsuit asks the court to rule that, outside the context of armed conflict, the government can carry out the targeted killing of an American citizen only as a last resort to address an imminent threat to life or physical safety. The lawsuit also asks the court to order the government to disclose the legal standard it uses to place U.S. citizens on government kill lists.

"If the Constitution means anything, it surely means that the president does not have unreviewable authority to summarily execute any American whom he concludes is an enemy of the state," said Jameel Jaffer, Deputy Legal Director of the ACLU, who presented arguments in the case. "It's the government's responsibility to protect the nation from terrorist attacks, but the courts have a crucial role to play in ensuring that counterterrorism policies are consistent with the Constitution."

The government filed a brief in the case in September, claiming that the executive's targeted killing authority is a "political question" that should not be subject to judicial review. The government also asserted the "state secrets" privilege, contending that the case should be dismissed to avoid the disclosure of sensitive information.

The lawsuit was filed against CIA Director Leon Panetta, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and President Barrack Obama in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. Attorneys on the case are Jaffer, Ben Wizner, Jonathan Manes and Jennifer Turner of the ACLU; Kebriaei, Maria LaHood and Bill Quigley of CCR; and Arthur B. Spitzer of the ACLU of the Nation's Capital. Co-counsel in Yemen is Mohammed Allawo of the Allawo Law Firm and the National Organization for Defending Human Rights (HOOD).

For more information on the case, including fact sheets and legal papers, visit: www.aclu.org/targetedkillings and www.ccrjustice.org/targetedkillings


http://www.aclu.org/national-security/obam...


The constitution means nothing anymore.



Anwar al-Awlaki has earned his spot on that targeted killing list. I have no qualms whatsoever with him being placed on it.

His latest rant this week talks about how no permission is needed to kill Americans and once again calls on Muslims to kill us wherever they can. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who talks like that forfeits their claims to being an American citizen.

Imagine if a Christian talked like that, though. It would be the end of the world for the far-left.

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2010, 09:32:37 AM »
I just posted that for the point that when Bush did stuff like this, the entire left wing freaked.  Now - complete silence. 

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2010, 10:00:41 AM »
I just posted that for the point that when Bush did stuff like this, the entire left wing freaked.  Now - complete silence.  

I have a task for you 333386, should you choose to accept it, dig up all the threads from the left where they crucified Bush for all the same things Obama is now supporting.     :)

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Re: ACLU Slams Obama's Security Policies
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2010, 10:02:36 AM »
I have a task for you 333386, should you choose to accept it, dig up all the thread from the left where they crucified Bush for all the same things Obama is now supporting.     :)

Yeah, but i might hesitate since it might sever my good will with 240.   ;D  ;D  ;D