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Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« on: December 25, 2008, 12:49:11 PM »
So a buddy of mine went 'clean' and so I got to clean out his stash and came accross a lot of Tren A and HG Test cyp..f*cking lucky day. However, most of the stuff expired in 2006. Think it's any good? I suspect that it might be broken down somewhat, but does that mean I just up the dose or should I just junk it?

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2008, 03:08:12 PM »
It's one thing for six months...but three years? I wouldn't risk it.

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2008, 06:41:36 PM »
advise not to use, as the strength will decrease. maybe 0 mg.why are you taking the risk to inject??? Just the feeling of needles insert to your ass!!!

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2008, 06:48:35 PM »

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2008, 08:49:00 PM »
Could possibly have grown some bacteria three years after expiration. Usually the gear has a 3 or 4 year date until expiration, then another three years after that I wouldn't chance it.

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2008, 09:20:57 PM »
Heat and filter it if you're going to use it. Honestly, gear is cheap enough... if it's past it's expiration it's probably still okay, but there's a risk of contaminants. I wouldn't want to be out for months recovering from a nasty abscess, lose pounds of muscle and GAIN pounds of fat while painfully recovering.

Only way I'd use expired gear is if it were only slightly past expiration and if it was human grade and stored well. :)

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2008, 10:33:18 AM »
if it hasn't been open I would use it...I have heard and this is only hear say,  I have no facts to back this up...but drug companies and
perscription meds must have a expiration date on them per the FDA it doesn't mean they are bad it is just part of what they have to do.
Now I would't take this as true take from it what you want as this was all hear say from someone...a pharmacist told me...I was inquiring
about some perscription cough syrup that I had for about 6yrs that was exp.

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2008, 04:12:06 PM »
if it hasn't been open I would use it...I have heard and this is only heard I have no facts to back this up...but drug companies and
perscription meds must have a expiration date on them per the FDA it doesn't mean they are bad it is just part of what they have to do.
Now I would't take this is true take from it what you want as this was all hear say from someone...a pharmacist told me...I was inquiring
about some perscription cough syrup that I had for about 6yrs that was exp.

steroids lose their potency when they expire...

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2008, 04:43:23 PM »
I know it's oil... but I took Quaaludes made in the 70's in 1992.  Got wasted.  From what a pharmacist told me they just lose potency.  Oil may be different....IDK.

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2008, 08:29:45 PM »
Everything has a half life rating no matter how it is stored I think.  too lazy to look it up though.   :D

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2008, 08:35:20 PM »
how it it going to lose potency? whats going to happen to the hormone? is there little hormone attackers hidden inside the hg oil that are going to sowly destroy it ater expirtation date to make patients have to buy new medicine?


lol..

im not attacing you guys who said its gonna lose potency, however, i posted "its probably fine" abotu 10 times, and each and every time it was deleted by a moderator. however, its a fact tha its probably fine, barring circumstances not listed here that would effect it. if its in a sealed vial and was sterile to begin with, then its still going to be sterile, and while i dont know for a fact i do not think its going to lose potency...i just cant think of what would happen to the hormone... the only reason test  would be aletred in the body is cause its metabolized..the oil gonna metabolize it?




"It's probably fine" isn't a very confident or intelligent answer though. The mods also seem to have a vendetta against you because of your carefree posts.

In hindsight, it probably is fine but it's your care free attitude that's made them have a grudge against you. Not saying that I'm siding with anyone. As far as the shelf life is concerned, damn near everything loses potency over time. Don't get so worked up over it. Storage is an important factor, exposure to light, etc. If it's been stored appropriately, there is probably such a minute difference that it'd be unnoticeable. But again I think most people are just erring on the side of caution.

Even if it's being overly cautious, I still wouldn't use it unless it was human grade stuff that I personally stashed away where it would go unscathed. If someone just hooked me some sauce and said it was sitting around for a few years, I wouldn't use it. If it's three years past it's expiration, then it was likely acquired long before the expiration date. Furthermore, someone who just loses a very specific type of recreation drug like AAS isn't the type of person you'd want to be scoring sauce from in the first place.

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2008, 09:23:51 PM »
no you're right.. all that happens is the potency goes down after a certain point.

maybe someone could google it.. I've read that injectable gear loses 5-10% of its strength every year after the expiration date... or something like that.

I've never heard of anyone having problems using old HG gear.. I'm talking about oil based - not water based.


I remember Mauro DiPasquale saying orals would lose up to 10% a year after exp. date.

He also said injectables would be fine years after exp date, just check to see the solution is clear.

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2008, 09:27:50 PM »
i agree with yoru post however im still not so sure that its going to lose any hormone after 3 years past exp.  iron dawg is right, the expr is for profits, on alot of pharm products.

Sometimes that's probably true. However, drugs do lose potency and exp date is how long it's guaranteed full potency. For some drugs it's extremely important that it's full potency. Think insulin, thyroid hormones etc.

Some drugs are more stable too. From what I've read ephedrine for example is very stable, would be good for many years, decades even.

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2008, 09:44:02 PM »
Found this on google. Pretty much what I said.



   
Drug Expiration Dates - Do They Mean Anything?

With a splitting headache you reach into your medicine cabinet for some aspirin only to find the stamped expiration date on the bottle has passed - two years ago. So, do you take it or don't you? If you decide to take the aspirin will it be a fatal mistake or will you simply continue to suffer from the headache?

This is a dilemma many people face in some way or another. A column published in Pyschopharmacology Today offers some advice.

It turns out that the expiration date on a drug does stand for something, but probably not what you think it does. Since a law was passed in 1979, drug manufacturers are required to stamp an expiration date on their products. This is the date at which the manufacturer can still guarantee the full potency and safety of the drug.

Most of what is known about drug expiration dates comes from a study conducted by the Food and Drug Administration at the request of the military. With a large and expensive stockpile of drugs, the military faced tossing out and replacing its drugs every few years. What they found from the study is 90% of more than 100 drugs, both prescription and over-the-counter, were perfectly good to use even 15 years after the expiration date.

So the expiration date doesn't really indicate a point at which the medication is no longer effective or has become unsafe to use. Medical authorities state expired drugs are safe to take, even those that expired years ago. A rare exception to this may be tetracycline, but the report on this is controversial among researchers. It's true the effectiveness of a drug may decrease over time, but much of the original potency still remains even a decade after the expiration date. Excluding nitroglycerin, insulin, and liquid antibiotics, most medications are as long-lasting as the ones tested by the military. Placing a medication in a cool place, such as a refrigerator, will help a drug remain potent for many years.

Is the expiration date a marketing ploy by drug manufacturers, to keep you restocking your medicine cabinet and their pockets regularly? You can look at it that way. Or you can also look at it this way: The expiration dates are very conservative to ensure you get everything you paid for. And, really, if a drug manufacturer had to do expiration-date testing for longer periods it would slow their ability to bring you new and improved formulations.
The next time you face the drug expiration date dilemma, consider what you've learned here. If the expiration date passed a few years ago and it's important that your drug is absolutely 100% effective, you might want to consider buying a new bottle. And if you have any questions about the safety or effectiveness of any drug, ask your pharmacist. He or she is a great resource when it comes to getting more information about your medications.


This article says some thyroid drugs lost 10% potency in 9 months, before the exp date!
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/84602.php

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2008, 11:14:07 PM »
i had googled it befor e i made my first reply (of my 10 first reply's, lol). i even yahoo'd it too.  :D always resarch before posting


anyway

didnt find a single thing giving anyreason

and it sounds like bologna to me


now, maybe after 1000 years, maybe some kind of degradattion, like...slippin of molecular bonds that weakened over time... however i cant comprehend  other wise...although i could just be dumb...have been before  ;)  ;D

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2008, 11:36:26 PM »
Expiration dates of pills is one thing.  Expiration dates of oils is another story.  Most likely the oil is rancid like someone else mentioned. 

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Re: Shelf life of 3yr old gear (too old to use?)
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2008, 11:41:30 PM »
Its good that you have access to the free goodies but really why chance it? its not as though gear is like gold..
Really even if the oil is still good the actual potency of the product would most likey be starting to be effected.

Bin it and go buy some new stuff.  :)