Using Gear With Thrombosis

[Booyah]

Hello!  Great site!

I was just wondering if anyone here has, or has had, DVT and used gear.  I am currently monitoring my PT/INR and taking medication that aids in keeping my blood from clotting-up on me.  It's a genetic thing, per the doctors, but I don't know about that...

Any way, I've been lurking here for a little while now, and I'd really like to take the next step.  Any advice?  I figured if my blood gets too "thin" I could always back-off the anticoagulants.

Thanks,
BY

[Exal]

My advice is to consult your doctor about it, just come clean and say you want to try out steroids and talk to him about it, tell him that you want him to look at it constructively cause he isn't gonna change your mind about it...

Steroids typically make your blood thicker depending on which ones you take btw(really only equipoise does this)

[Booyah]

That's helpful, and thank you.  I'm kind of skittish to ask him about it, though.  And, I thought it "thinned" your blood out...

I really need to gain some muscle badly.

[iron_dawg]

Hello!  Great site!

I was just wondering if anyone here has, or has had, DVT and used gear.  I am currently monitoring my PT/INR and taking medication that aids in keeping my blood from clotting-up on me.  It's a genetic thing, per the doctors, but I don't know about that...

Any way, I've been lurking here for a little while now, and I'd really like to take the next step.  Any advice?  I figured if my blood gets too "thin" I could always back-off the anticoagulants.

Thanks,
BY

Boo...I would consider your situation here muscle or a long healthy life my friend you can still gain muscle as a natural...
if this is what you want consult your doctor and tell him the truth there is nothing he can do but help you stay healthy...

[4thAD]

Hello!  Great site!

I was just wondering if anyone here has, or has had, DVT and used gear.  I am currently monitoring my PT/INR and taking medication that aids in keeping my blood from clotting-up on me.  It's a genetic thing, per the doctors, but I don't know about that...

Any way, I've been lurking here for a little while now, and I'd really like to take the next step.  Any advice?  I figured if my blood gets too "thin" I could always back-off the anticoagulants.

Thanks,
BY

Definitely discuss this with your Doc brotha! Stay healthy man. We are all here to help, but this is a question for the Doc that knows your condition. None of us here can accurately help you out with this one.

[Millard Baker]

Hello!  Great site!

I was just wondering if anyone here has, or has had, DVT and used gear.  I am currently monitoring my PT/INR and taking medication that aids in keeping my blood from clotting-up on me.  It's a genetic thing, per the doctors, but I don't know about that...

Any way, I've been lurking here for a little while now, and I'd really like to take the next step.  Any advice?  I figured if my blood gets too "thin" I could always back-off the anticoagulants.

Thanks,
BY

Well, since regular use of anabolic-androgenic steroids increases the risk of thrombosis, given you are already at risk due to a congenital condition, unsupervised steroid use would be risky.

Echoing everyone else, discuss honestly with your doctor.

[DIVISION]

Hello!  Great site!

I was just wondering if anyone here has, or has had, DVT and used gear.  I am currently monitoring my PT/INR and taking medication that aids in keeping my blood from clotting-up on me.  It's a genetic thing, per the doctors, but I don't know about that...

Any way, I've been lurking here for a little while now, and I'd really like to take the next step.  Any advice?  I figured if my blood gets too "thin" I could always back-off the anticoagulants.

Thanks,
BY

As others have stated, your PCP should be handling this.

Asparin doesn't hurt either.......to keep your blood thin.


DIV

[Booyah]

Exactly why I posted this issue with you guys... I knew I'd get a damn good answer.  It's hard to watch all my muscle dwindle away after so many years of having them.  I didn't know that AS could cause thrombosis.  I really appreciate that info.

Thanks again guys.  I'll schedule an appointment tomorrow.

[iron_dawg]

Exactly why I posted this issue with you guys... I knew I'd get a damn good answer.  It's hard to watch all my muscle dwindle away after so many years of having them.  I didn't know that AS could cause thrombosis.  I really appreciate that info.

Thanks again guys.  I'll schedule an appointment tomorrow.

I am interested to hear what the DOC tells you... let us know

[DIVISION]

Exactly why I posted this issue with you guys... I knew I'd get a damn good answer.  It's hard to watch all my muscle dwindle away after so many years of having them.  I didn't know that AS could cause thrombosis.  I really appreciate that info.

Thanks again guys.  I'll schedule an appointment tomorrow.

Thrombosis is a serious issue, Boo.

One blood clot in the wrong spot could end your life, nothing nice.   


DIV

[Booyah]

Thrombosis is a serious issue, Boo.

One blood clot in the wrong spot could end your life, nothing nice.   


DIV

DIV,

I hear ya'.  Trust me, I do.  But I have this theory that this stuff will fix it.  I doubt I'll get another clot because I'm on medication and I use a monitor to make sure my levels are good.  I think that this stuff will improve my overall health, and the DVT will just disappear.  Just a theory, though.  It's a strong one too, if you think about it.

- BY

[Booyah]

I forgot to add that my appointment with my doc is tomorrow.  I sure hope he doesn't think less of me, since I know him pretty well.  I don't mind if he thinks "differently," but I hope he doesn't think less.  That'd make him a hypocrite, and I'd have to find another doc...

Wish me luck, and I'll post up what I find out about all of this.

Thanks fellaz!

[DIVISION]

I forgot to add that my appointment with my doc is tomorrow.  I sure hope he doesn't think less of me, since I know him pretty well.  I don't mind if he thinks "differently," but I hope he doesn't think less.  That'd make him a hypocrite, and I'd have to find another doc...

Wish me luck, and I'll post up what I find out about all of this.

Thanks fellaz!

Find a doctor who works for you.

I hate doctors who have that holier than thou attitude.

After I switched my PCP from a family practice to a endocrinologist, everything changed.


DIV

[Booyah]

Okay, so I just got back from a follow-up appt. with my doc.  He's a cool dude, and it appears that he has the exact same diagnosis as I do (recap:  I'm more likely to get blood clots than most).

I discussed everything with him.  I told him that I was very interested in taking gear as my muscle mass has dwindled as has my enthusiasm at work, and such... He told me the upsides and the downsides and he was very clear about it.  He also said that with my condition, it's very risky.  I believe his words were "Russian Roulette w/only one bullet missing."  Shook me up a little, but he offered a suggestion.

He had me tested (blood drawn) mainly because he thought that my test levels were low.  He also checked my thyroid and some other stuff.  When I went in today, he told me, "You're testosterone levels are GREAT... for an 85 year old man."  I was like, "what's that mean?"  Apparently, my number is 235 and he said that 500 is more "my age (34)."

So, he prescribed me some meds.  I wanted injections, but he said that I at huge risk for hematosis since I'm on anti-coagulants.  After he explained to me that the needle would have to be injected into muscle... deeper than I'm used to... he gave me the option of AndroGel or AndroDerm.  I chose AndroGel, and have a follow-up in a month.  He said that if it doesn't do as I expect, we'll up the dosages.  If that doesn't work, I can go to injections.  If I go that route, he wants the wife to come with me so she can learn how to inject me properly (I'm not scared of needles, it's just what he prefers).

Does all of this sound on par?  Is 235 a low number for testosterone?  Seriously guys... I'm tired of looking and feeling like shit.  Especially when I know I don't have to.

[Booyah]

Find a doctor who works for you.

I hate doctors who have that holier than thou attitude.

After I switched my PCP from a family practice to a endocrinologist, everything changed.


DIV

Thanks for that, DIV.  I'll probably go this route in a few months... if things don't work out with this guy.

[4thAD]

245 is the low side of the normal chart. Sounds like you have a great doctor. The gel works for some and not for others. If you get dosed correctly it should work. Good luck with all of this Boo, I know it can be frustrating.

[MuscleMcMannus]

First off DO NOT TAKE ASPIRIN If you are no anticoagulants. 

Second, your doctor sounds like a cool dude for discussing testosterone in the manner that he did.  Androgel will never raise your test levels enough to build the muscle you are looking to build.  His goal is not to build muscle but to get you back into a therapeutic range of testosterone.  Two different things. 

[4thAD]

First off DO NOT TAKE ASPIRIN If you are no anticoagulants. 

Second, your doctor sounds like a cool dude for discussing testosterone in the manner that he did.  Androgel will never raise your test levels enough to build the muscle you are looking to build.  His goal is not to build muscle but to get you back into a therapeutic range of testosterone.  Two different things. 

Yes, but from the post the OP laid out all he wants to do is sustain mass. I think the androgel will do great things for him. I do think he will end up going back to the doc and having his dose increased.

[MuscleMcMannus]

I really need to gain some muscle badly

Maybe the androgel will be enough. 

[4thAD]

Your def not going to be hitting the "O" stage off of androgel, but it will get your test levels back into a high normal range, which should be enough to build and sustain normal amounts of mass for his body type.

[Booyah]

Man... the more I research this stuff, the more I realize it's just not going to cut the mustard...  I guess I'll just go with the flow for now.  If I don't feel anything in a couple of weeks, I'm going to have to try alternative methods... for sure...

[Booyah]

Guys, first, thank you very much for the help with this matter.  I really appreciate it as it's caused me to research more on how to get to my goals.  I'm not one to sit back and live a shitty life if I can avoid it.  I've never been against the use of gear, and I personally have many friends that use it and they are just the exact same way they've always been since High School.  Personally, I feel they should be as legal as a multivitamin, but I digress...

Maybe I should post up what the problem is with me.  I'm heterozygous for Factor V Leiden which increases my risk for blood clots, or thrombosis.  Is there anyone here, that posts on this board with experience, that is, or knows someone that has this condition and uses gear?  I've never trusted what the gov't, doctors, mainstream media (etc, etc...) has told me about what is right and wrong for me; so, I'd like to hear it from the horses mouth, so to speak.

I have a theory about this.  I believe that clotting can negatively impact people that are in poor shape, stressed, go on long trips, and have this genetic mutation.  Well, out of the 4 factors I just mentioned, I was batting a .1000 when I got my first clot.  1) I was 240lbs of raw, unadulterated fat! 2) I was stressed out due to work, financial and family issues (this was the worst!) 3) I drove 20 hours one way... stayed a couple of days, then drove 20 hours back... non-stop!  4)  Found out I had FVL (Factor V Leiden) after my first clot almost killed me.  I think that if I got myself into "immaculate" shape, I'd be just fine.  When you work out and see results, stress just fizzles away because you feel better about yourself.  Really, you're pretty-much killing 2 birds with 1 stone taking gear.  The other 2 is just pure research and education.  I can't change the FVL, but I can change the other 3 factors.

So, that's why I think that gear would be my life water.  I know I'm at a huge risk for hematosis (that internal bleeding thing) since I don't clot as well as others, but to be honest, if I cut myself shaving, I don't even put that goofy toilet paper bandage on it.  LOL!  I cut myself all the time and never had to do anything out of the ordinary.  Maybe my blood is just fat!

Any way... if anyone can help with the above question, or can provide some more great insight on my little dilemma, I'll personally buy the next round if your ever in Houston.